Where do you stand on the intelligence spectrum?

On 1/31/05 2:00 PM, "Phil Scott" wrote:

 > in fact well over 93% of americans fall into the two digit IQ range..

Where'd you get this "fact"?

IQ scores are based on a normal distribution of data, i.e. most scores are
close to the average, with fewer scores the further away from the average
you get. IQ tests were designed with a mean score of 100, and every 15
points away from 100 represents one standard deviation from the mean. In a
normal (bell curve) distribution, a little more than 2/3 of the population
are within one standard deviation of the mean, and about 95% of the
population are within two standard deviations. So for IQs, that means 95% of
all scores should fall within 70-130, and 68% of all scores should fall
within 85-115.

Here's additional info I found:

===================================================================
When an IQ test is revised, it is restandardized with a new normative
sample. The distribution of raw scores in the sample population determines
the IQ that will be assigned to the raw scores of others who take the test.
By analyzing the performance over the years of different normative samples
on the same tests, researchers have concluded that performance on
intelligence tests has risen significantly over time. This phenomenon,
observed in industrialized countries around the world, is known as the Flynn
effect, named after the researcher who discovered it, New Zealand
philosopher James Flynn. Scores on some tests have increased dramatically.
For example, scores on the Raven¹s Progressive Matrices, a widely used
intelligence test, increased 15 points in 50 years when scored by the same
norms. In other words, a representative sample of the population that took
the test in 1992 scored an average of 15 points higher on the test than a
representative sample that took the test in 1942. *
===================================================================

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Phil Scott wrote:
 > .
 >
 > While there are gross exceptions to the usual rules... such as
 > most criminals have low IQ's...some are brilliant..there are
 > exceptions.

The present is called that, because it's a gift from whatever
supernal force created you, Phil. The weather forecast for your little
corner of California for the next few days is sunny, and in the 60's...

So, Phil, how are you going to enjoy your gift, by typing on the
keyboard about the perceived injustice in your life, or by getting on
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Phil Scott wrote:

[snip]

 >
 > The IQ Ranges and Their Interpretation
 > 0-20 profoundly retarded
 > 21-35 severely retarded
 > 36-50 moderately retarded
 > 51-70 mildly retarded
 > 71-90 slow learner
 > 91-110 average
 > 111-120 above average
 > 121-140 superior
 > 141-160 very superior
 > 161-180 gifted
 > 181-200+ genius
 >

That's funny. I got a 67, which makes me "mildly
retarded".

Wait! Is this table imperial or metric? I need
to use a 1.6 correction factor, like when converting
from miles to klicks, right?

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Phil Scott wrote:

 > But I have got a small size set of leather saddle bags and a
 > tank bag on the way...Im going to do some long distance
 > motoring as soon as this this job is done..maybe motor up and
 > kick Troys ass or something fun like that. Im going to carry
 > a small tight blanket to roll up in and a small plastic tarp
 > to make a tent and do some campin too. Meantime I practice by
 > sleeping on nails.

When you go camping, Phil, take a few copies of "Zen and the Art of
Motorcycle Maintenance" with you. You can buy all you want for about 25
cents apiece at your local thrift store. You can tear out the pages and
use them to start your campfires with, and they make acceptable toilet
paper, too...

And, if you want something to *read* by the firelight in your camp,
take something by Edward Abbey with you, maybe "Desert Solitaire", or
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"Andrew" <yogig.RemoveThis@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote

 > None of these items you have listed above have *ANYTHING* to do with
 > intelligence.

Of course not. But this post was from *PHIL*, so what did you expect?

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"Andrew" <yogig.DeleteThis@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > Phil Scott wrote:
  > > .
 >
  > >
  > > .
  > >
  > > Here is a list that will help a person get over the problem:
  > >
  > > Cease lying about all things right away... that will expose
  > > your own error, most people when they see thier own error are
  > > able to correct it. We all err greatly. When that is reduced
  > > even faintly the effective IQ rises..
  > >
  > > Cease justifying your own error and spinning...do a competent
  > > open investigation then support whats right...stand for whats
  > > right, dont cave in to someone with authority... seek to get
  > > to the truth. Take it to court in the case of traffic
  > > tickets where all the facts of the case can come out.... and
  > > either your own error can be exposed so you can correct
  > > it...or bogus enforcement can be exposed and everyone can
  > > learn.
  > >
  > > Put yourself on the line... do not hide behind bogus or
  > > distractive argument, or support it...or engage in spin, abuse
  > > or adhominem attack...those are all sure signs of an IQ in the
  > > pits....
  > >
  > > use your own name, state your own factual case..don't lie...
  > > and you will gain dramatically in intelligence.
  > >
 >
 > None of these items you have listed above have *ANYTHING* to do with
 > intelligence.
 >
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"Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > "Andrew" <yogig.DeleteThis@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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  > > Phil Scott wrote:
   > > > .
  > >
   > > >
   > > > .
   > > >
   > > > Here is a list that will help a person get over the
problem:
   > > >
   > > > Cease lying about all things right away... that will
expose
   > > > your own error, most people when they see thier own
error are
   > > > able to correct it. We all err greatly. When that is
reduced
   > > > even faintly the effective IQ rises..
   > > >
   > > > Cease justifying your own error and spinning...do a
competent
   > > > open investigation then support whats right...stand for
whats
   > > > right, dont cave in to someone with authority... seek
to get
   > > > to the truth. Take it to court in the case of traffic
   > > > tickets where all the facts of the case can come out....
and
   > > > either your own error can be exposed so you can correct
   > > > it...or bogus enforcement can be exposed and everyone
can
   > > > learn.
   > > >
   > > > Put yourself on the line... do not hide behind bogus or
   > > > distractive argument, or support it...or engage in spin,
abuse
   > > > or adhominem attack...those are all sure signs of an IQ
in the
   > > > pits....
   > > >
   > > > use your own name, state your own factual case..don't
lie...
   > > > and you will gain dramatically in intelligence.
   > > >
  > >
  > > None of these items you have listed above have *ANYTHING*
to do with
  > > intelligence.
  > >
 > or sportbikes...

Ronngg again Einstien... being forced to ride your
*motorcycle* at below the speed of traffic and have to watch
out for hidden cops instead of watching traffic if you do...
has EVERYTHING to with *motorcycles*... especially
*motorcycles* the absolutely most vulnerable in traffic...as
does the lack of intelligence that would force or advocate
such idiocy on the public.

Phil Scott




Now here is the article on intelligence you
snipped...intelligence directly related to *motorcycle riding.


While there are gross exceptions to the usual rules... such as
most criminals have low IQ's...some are brilliant..there are
exceptions.


and ...while only recently have police IQ scores risen to
100.. there are exceptions, some in any category will be truly
brilliant, others will have IQ's well down into warm
weather...in fact well over 93% of americans fall into the two
digit IQ range..

Amazin' ain't it? And these agree with each other a
lot..that makes em raight. . Using agreement as a test
of sign of ones own rightness is an utterly fatal mistake...it
ends decimating the persons life as they go on to breed
idiots.




There are some things fairly certain... few rocket scientists
become plumbers or cops... and few cops or plumbers have what
it takes to be rocket scientists... occupation is only a clue.


the neurons are simply not there in many cases... the dendron
branching between neurons is absent... the wiring is missing.

The sign says 45 mph.. they will go 45 mph as they are run
over by a meat truck.... sheer brilliance.


On a day to day basis however this determination is made on
much more mundane levels...we notice things such as the
limited vocabulary... and the quality of argument.

Is the person able to address an issue? Or does the person
drift off into irrelevant illogical jabber, willfully ignoring
the issue... blind to the liability of such spin to his own
brain and thinking processes.


Thats how you tell. And its not surprising to see that such
folks do not learn well either (see chart below)


An intelligent person will not adopt an indefensible viewpoint
in the first place...or take a job that requires him to
enforce such error on others... he will simply not participate
so will not be in a position of having to argue an impossible
position.

He or she knows inately that such is self destructive...
unfortunately, the majority mean do not know this...as they
screw up their own brains by lying...much as one would ruin a
computer by inputting false control algithms...only an idiot
would do that to himself...

One can opt not be in that class.

..

Here is a list that will help a person get over the problem:

Cease lying about all things right away... that will expose
your own error, most people when they see thier own error are
able to correct it. We all err greatly. When that is reduced
even faintly the effective IQ rises..

Cease justifying your own error and spinning...do a competent
open investigation then support whats right...stand for whats
right, dont cave in to someone with authority... seek to get
to the truth. Take it to court in the case of traffic
tickets where all the facts of the case can come out.... and
either your own error can be exposed so you can correct
it...or bogus enforcement can be exposed and everyone can
learn.

Put yourself on the line... do not hide behind bogus or
distractive argument, or support it...or engage in spin, abuse
or adhominem attack...those are all sure signs of an IQ in the
pits....

use your own name, state your own factual case..don't lie...
and you will gain dramatically in intelligence.


Phil Scott





Reposted essay with references and links on the issue:
..

On the issue of idiocy, cultural survival and a low 'mean
intelligent' ... system of enforcement.

How idiots come to decimate thier own culture.

In the US 96% of the citizens have room temperature or just
faintly higher IQ's... so these agree with each other a
lot....
naturally... idiots share view points. thats why our
founding fathers defined a constitutional form of govt and an
electoral college rather than a 'popular vote' system. To
preclude morons gaining more influence than they already have.


These are an easily controlled group of folk. 96%!
Amazin aint it.

Maybe thats why they get run over so often... like
possums...riding slowly in tunnels below the speed of traffic
simply in order to obey a speed limit sign.. errr duhhh.
(thats even illegal)


.... and in violation of senior laws of the land that one can
do whatever is necessary to insure his or her survival in
dangerous circumstances... the prima facie speed law.

can the 96% idiot contingent, with the room temperure IQ's
comprehend this?

Well we just did that test on the NG... apparently not.
Easy to fathom though as one reads the references below.



The following are excerpts on the larger issues. You can get
these and a wide range of other studies by searching googles
'web' tab with various combinations of the following key
words.

'Police, culture, high, IQ range'

To search goggles web tab do this:

In the address box of your 'web browser' type"
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.google.com" target="_blank">www.google.com</a>
when that comes up, google in all colorful letters.. you will
see a blank search box below... and on the top left of that
box the word 'web'... click on that.

then the blank 'web search' box will come up.

Just fill in yer key words and press enter.... enjoy.

When you allow the idiot contingent to ignore the law and
common sense (which is codified into the law as few
realize)...you contribute to the decline of yourself and your
culture.




Phil Scott


..
PERSONNEL SELECTION

The oldest known usage of psychology in policing was for
mental testing, which was soon followed by personality testing
(Bartol & Bartol 2004). During the early 20th Century,
several prominent psychologists tested the intelligence of
police officers. For example, the well-known psychologist
Louis Terman in 1917 found that the average IQ of some
California officers was only 80, and for many years, 80 was
the IQ cutoff for being able to be hired in a public safety
job. The psychologist Louis Thurstone in 1922 found some
Michigan officers with an average IQ of 71, and other studies
found officers with IQs as low as 55. All this led to the
"high IQ" or "college cop" movement started by August Vollmer
in police history and lasted from 1921-1943 with mixed
success. Women and blacks actually found some of their first
jobs in policing because their IQs were higher than most white
applicants and employees. According to Poland (1978), it
wasn't until the late 1960s or early 1970s when most police
officers achieved at least an average score; i.e., an IQ of
100, on intelligence tests (see Lecture on IQ for chart).
Intelligence testing today is still quite controversial, with
some studies saying that IQ only helps with academy
performance, but the majority of studies saying IQ tests do
have some predictive utility for field performance (Bartol &
Bartol 2004).



The IQ Ranges and Their Interpretation
0-20 profoundly retarded
21-35 severely retarded
36-50 moderately retarded
51-70 mildly retarded
71-90 slow learner


91-110 average


111-120 above average
121-140 superior
141-160 very superior
161-180 gifted
181-200+ genius

INTERPRETATION OF TABLE: Most people cluster around
the average (IQ 100), with about 3% of Americans regularly
scoring above IQ 130 (the threshold for "gifted"), and about
3% regularly scoring below IQ 70 (the threshold for
"retarded").



When we allow a nation to be dominated and enforced by the
"slow learner, to low average intelligent" we cater to the low
mean average in the culture. Such cultures tend to rapid
decline.











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Phil Scott wrote:
 > "Jim Tiberio" <jimtiberio.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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  >>"Andrew" <yogig.RemoveThis@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message

 >
 >
 > Ronngg again Einstien... being forced to ride your
 > *motorcycle* at below the speed of traffic and have to watch
 > out for hidden cops instead of watching traffic if you do...
 > has EVERYTHING to with *motorcycles*... especially
 > *motorcycles* the absolutely most vulnerable in traffic...as
 > does the lack of intelligence that would force or advocate
 > such idiocy on the public.
 >

It's a darn speeding ticket for Ged's sake. Pay it, get found guilty
while representing yourself, or hire a damn attorney if it bothers you
so much.

I know it isn't worth 4 days of posting about it.




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"Phil Scott" <philscott888.TakeThisOut@sf.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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 >
   >> > Phil Scott wrote:
   >> > > .


 >An intelligent person will not adopt an indefensible viewpoint
 >in the first place...



Hmmm....here's one of those hidden gems you find in a usenet group.

Phil, do you consider yourself intelligent?




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On 1/31/05 3:03 PM, "Phil Scott" wrote:

 > The IQ Ranges and Their Interpretation
 > 0-20 profoundly retarded
 > 21-35 severely retarded
 > 36-50 moderately retarded
 > 51-70 mildly retarded
 > 71-90 slow learner
 > 91-110 average
 > 111-120 above average
 > 121-140 superior
 > 141-160 very superior
 > 161-180 gifted
 > 181-200+ genius

Bad ranges, Phil. You got the below 70 scores pretty close with their common
labels, but that upper range is out of whack. I think that Encarta article I
quoted earlier today in this thread said that kids are generally considered
"gifted" when their IQ is tested about 130. Other sources have labeled this
same range as "very superior". In most references I can find, "genius" means
over 140. Einstein's IQ was supposedly around 160, and I think he was more
than just "gifted".

Here's some more info:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.wilderdom.com/intelligence/IQWhatScoresMean.html" target="_blank">http://www.wilderdom.com/intelligence/IQWhatScoresMean.html</a>

I think a score near 200 would be what Wile E. Coyote referred to as "super
genius".

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2002 YZF-R1 / 2003 WRX

"Hokey 600s and trackday usability are no match
for a good literbike at your side, kid."
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 > While there are gross exceptions to the usual rules... such as
 > most criminals have low IQ's...some are brilliant..there are
 > exceptions.

yeah... and not all seniors are wack jobs, but let me guess, you represent
the SMART end of the wacked senior class?



 > the neurons are simply not there in many cases... the dendron
 > branching between neurons is absent... the wiring is missing.

So tell us about dementia and Alzheimers Phil....personal experience counts
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  > > use your own name, state your own factual case..don't lie...
  > > and you will gain dramatically in intelligence.
  > >
 >
 > None of these items you have listed above have *ANYTHING* to do with
 > intelligence.


gee...what a surprise...Phil can't even be on topic to his subject line? Who
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"Jamin Kortegard" <notme.RemoveThis@notmymail.com> wrote in message
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 > On 1/31/05 2:00 PM, "Phil Scott" wrote:
 >
  > > in fact well over 93% of americans fall into the two digit
IQ range..
 >
 > Where'd you get this "fact"?

Bad math on my part... I subtracted the 3% over 130 and the 3%
under 70 to get 93. all in total error... only half the
population in fact has a two digit IQ....which I think still
suffices to make the point.


 >
 > IQ scores are based on a normal distribution of data, i.e.
most scores are
 > close to the average, with fewer scores the further away
from the average
 > you get. IQ tests were designed with a mean score of 100,
and every 15
 > points away from 100 represents one standard deviation from
the mean. In a
 > normal (bell curve) distribution, a little more than 2/3 of
the population
 > are within one standard deviation of the mean, and about 95%
of the
 > population are within two standard deviations. So for IQs,
that means 95% of
 > all scores should fall within 70-130, and 68% of all scores
should fall
 > within 85-115.

I think you are quite obviously correct... so on that
basis it still looks like 68% fall into not quite brilliant to
slow range... 70% almost.

The statistic explains a lot.

 >
 > Here's additional info I found:
 >
 >
==============================================================
=====
 > When an IQ test is revised, it is restandardized with a new
normative
 > sample. The distribution of raw scores in the sample
population determines
 > the IQ that will be assigned to the raw scores of others who
take the test.
 > By analyzing the performance over the years of different
normative samples
 > on the same tests, researchers have concluded that
performance on
 > intelligence tests has risen significantly over time. This
phenomenon,
 > observed in industrialized countries around the world, is
known as the Flynn
 > effect, named after the researcher who discovered it, New
Zealand
 > philosopher James Flynn. Scores on some tests have increased
dramatically.
 > For example, scores on the Raven¹s Progressive Matrices, a
widely used
 > intelligence test, increased 15 points in 50 years when
scored by the same
 > norms. In other words, a representative sample of the
population that took
 > the test in 1992 scored an average of 15 points higher on
the test than a
 > representative sample that took the test in 1942. *


Nice research Jamin...now maybe you can tell me, which IQ
range a person would fall into that says they would ride 45
mph in a darkened tunnel with traffic routinely surveyed
between 55 and 65.. and of course thats an 85% norm..some
traffic will be crawling and some hauling at well over 70.

Which range of IQ then tries to justify or enforce 45?

Phil Scott
 >
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 >
 > * from
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 > Jamin Kortegard
 > 2002 YZF-R1 / 2003 WRX
 >
 > "Hokey 600s and trackday usability are no match
 > for a good literbike at your side, kid."
 > - Michael
 >
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