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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 12:18 pm
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/ts/121403saddamcapture&a=&tm...sl&e=35


A pic of Saddam after....
a shave and a hair cut to aid in identification, but the skin under the
beard is as dark as the skin on his forehead.... anyone who has ever
trimmed a mustache knows how fresh cuts took...you loose the natural curve
of the hairs with a cut...that mustache looks just a bit too mature, same
with the hair to have been cut just an hour so so earlier. So all that
is no big deal. Maybe a 20% doubt factor. But these things add up when
looked at in a larger context.


he is photographed against what appears to be the same tile wall...with a
clean shirt on but the same type as shown in the capture photo. Maybe I
had worked too close to US intelligence for too long but that shave doesn't
look right to me.... along with the fact of DNA tests completed in less than
an hour when it usually takes weeks to process unless I am behind on DNA
testing technology... and so absolutely certain too... the new quicker DNA
tests as far as I know have relatively low certainty rates, relatives would
show the same results etc.....and our friend Saddam is ID'd no less by our
friend who we have strung up by the balls Mr Aziz ....How nice and
cooperative of him given that he had not been cooperative earlier.... all
that and my suspicions about our totally crooked US intelligence service,
and a need to find Saddam to turn the tide of public opinion in the US and
Iraq, adds up to some doubt.

No way...it MUST be the real Saddam.

After all what motive would there be for the CIA letting Saddam and his sons
go? (the sons death photo's didnt look much like them either..unless Uday
gained 75 lbs in two months). These are among the worlds richest men,
with assets well hidden in the hundreds of billions..some assets have been
found but without cooperation most would never be found.

Did you see the look in that captives eyes?

Look I am an asshole myself. I know what a captured asshole looks like.
And it aint like that. No defiance shown in the Saddam photo...or in the
eyes or posture....the real Saddam is worth hundreds of billions..he had
thousands of other viable options. The same with Bin Eatin Sushi Lately.


Who would want the assets? Surely NOT the same CIA that got caught
running hundreds of tons of cocaine into the US on USAF C-130's (and
reported before congress and on 60 minutes,..and by the LAPD in the LA times
and town meetings..... then justifed by Ollie North "we needed money for the
Contra's). ...not *that CIA. they are too...errr patriotic and honest
for that... and no way in hell is the 3600 % increase in Afgan heroin
production being processed next to US military airstrips in Afganistan.
(thats worth a few hundred billion a year) The US is after all *anti
drugs.... and its intelligence people would never ever lie about
anything.... and it sure solves the pissed off Iraqi citizen problem. for
the congressional hearing records on these issues see:
www.fromthewilderness.com economics link in the left margin. Testimony
and books by many ex CIA people including Philip Agee an ex CIA director on
this range of issues.


Therefore it MUST be the real Saddam in the photo's or this whole mess wont
fly.





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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:34 pm
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 > Look I am an asshole myself.

Aren't we all in text??? it's just some are more lovable than others...

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:55 pm
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"Larry xlax Lovisone" <netters2 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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 >
 >
 >
  > > Look I am an asshole myself.
 >
 > Aren't we all in text??? it's just some are more lovable than others...

The man in the pic was a camel jockey...not one of the worlds most
notorious and ruthless killer/ dictators... any asshole can see that
easily. The rest of the more domesticated public believes what they read
in the paper.

thats a hoot isnt it?

But *you can tell though...any pilot with the USAF and who can ride a
husky across the desert on the back wheel can tell easily. The man in
the photo is not the man who told the US to shove it, then predicted the
ensuing morass so accurately and while laughing in our faces.

The US will send more prep boys out to handle the mess, because those types
are corruptable... solutions are the farthest from these guys minds...the
messier it gets the more hundreds of billions will be made in shuffle.


btw..what the hell happened to those 4 Iraqi ships that were reported
leaving Iraq and in the Indian Ocean just prior to the invasion... estimated
to be laden with WMD etc...it has hot noooz for all of 20 seconds...then
pooof...these ships were widely reported around the world...but never
intercepted.

and yes I understand the pension issues..its cool.




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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 7:03 pm
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Phil Scott wrote:
 > .
 >
 >
 >
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/ts/121403saddamcapture&a=&tmpl=sl&e=35&l=&ns=" target="_blank">http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/ts/121403saddamcapture&a=&tm...sl&e=35</a>
 >
 >
 > A pic of Saddam after....
 > a shave and a hair cut to aid in identification, but the skin under
 > the
 > beard is as dark as the skin on his forehead.... anyone who has ever
 > trimmed a mustache knows how fresh cuts took...you loose the natural
 > curve
 > of the hairs with a cut...that mustache looks just a bit too mature,
 > same
 > with the hair to have been cut just an hour so so earlier. So
 > all that
 > is no big deal. Maybe a 20% doubt factor. But these things add up
 > when
 > looked at in a larger context.

Gosh either he is a scientologist or you dumb fuck - he's been in hiding and
out of the sun for the past few months. Are you nearly as stupid as your
posts indicate or is this just an act?

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:43 pm
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 > Look I am an asshole myself.

< Phil admits defeat and declares the obvious>

Yo Phil....I shoulda known a conspiracy buff would doubt everything known to
man. Got any garbage websites to back up your usual delusional conclusions?


 > Therefore it MUST be the real Saddam in the photo's or this whole mess
wont
 > fly.

duh.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 9:29 pm
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 > Give Phil a cookie for being right twice in the same post.
 >
COOKIE.......................

It is a little known fact but Saddam has been a long time supporter of the
American Sport Biking association and had ordered a Hayabusa to make his
escape.......

Unfortunately Suzuki had some problems with an unfortunate shipping incident
involving a jet freighter flight that was nearly shot down. The pilots did
an expert job of returning their aircraft back to terra firma at Bagdad
International but Saddam's Busa was totaled..........

He was so close..... he can only think about what "could have
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 9:29 pm
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"f100driv" <f100drivnospam.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 >
  > > Give Phil a cookie for being right twice in the same post.
  > >
 > COOKIE.......................
 >
 > It is a little known fact but Saddam has been a long time supporter of the
 > American Sport Biking association and had ordered a Hayabusa to make his
 > escape.......
 >
 > Unfortunately Suzuki had some problems with an unfortunate shipping
incident
 > involving a jet freighter flight that was nearly shot down. The pilots
did
 > an expert job of returning their aircraft back to terra firma at Bagdad
 > International but Saddam's Busa was totaled..........
 >
 > He was so close..... he can only think about what "could have
 > been".............

Be sure to clip Saddams photo out of the paper and glue it to the wall
so you know he
has been captured.


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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 10:43 pm
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 >From: "Phil Scott"

 > The man in
 >the photo is not the man who told the US to shove it, then predicted the
 >ensuing morass so accurately and while laughing in our faces.

Fear and isolation have a funny way of making one less headstrong and arrogant.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 10:43 pm
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"Saddlebag" <saddlebag.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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  > >From: "Phil Scott"
 >
  > > The man in
  > >the photo is not the man who told the US to shove it, then predicted the
  > >ensuing morass so accurately and while laughing in our faces.
 >
 > Fear and isolation have a funny way of making one less headstrong and
arrogant.


An obvious argument .... and that could also actually be the case....its
just that I doubt it.

Saddams options were nothing less than vast. The pic shows a man cultured
to subservience not a man once ruthlessly arrogant and now down a bit.
See how he holds his collar and opens wide for the doc like a cow with lazy
eye? thats not one of the worlds richest men used to murdering people be
the tens of thousands.

I just dont buy the entire gig. One might ask... not *when has the US
govt lied to its citizens...but when has it ever told the truth in the last
10 years.. We see it lying virtually all the time as with the lying and
bullshit about the shuttle disasters...in the end we find its all lies.
Then they try to blame it on someone else.

Currently we are told the US production is up 8.2 percent for the quarter, a
world class stunning number while we are still loosing jobs. What a
govt cannot do with honest and decent behavior it tries to do with lies.

Brace yersef...thats not going to fly much longer.


As a guy that has been deep inside that crap for about 20 years, on projects
all across the country, including some of the stickiest ones.... I can smell
the scum from miles away. Id bet all I had that its a fake Saddam they
have their and that the CIA etc. set it up to try to cool off a nearly out
of control and screwed to death Iraqi public.

Did you see 60 minutes the other night...one large town, forgot which, has a
Baath Party ex chief of police and chief torturer placed back in power by
the CIA in the same position...60 minutes interviewd him...he just smirked.
cloooz you see. The Iraqi public is asking what the hell is up with
that....the samo thugs ridiing around in govt cars again. Our US army and
intelligence people just clammed up on the issue.

The combination of ruthlessness/arrogance/ and uncovered up crime is an
indicator of late stage pervasive, unstoppable corruption. We are seeing
that with the Haliburton crap now...and instead of Brush calling for
criminal sanctions...he says 'they must pay it back'.... duh..... On that
basis I should go into the bank robbery business.

Blatant you see? A very very bad sign.


same with the flourishing new heroin trade out of Afganistan...the
processing plants were being built next to US miliary runways within weeks
of that invasion. Thats so the CIA can fly it out to thier markets world
wide. Theory? nah.... there is congressional record on the tons of
coke coming in from south east asia via Air America...and sold in east LA
for decades... Ive posted the links previously... it was headline news
nation wide, several LAPD and USAF officers testified.

The public simply can manage to compute such corruption...it conflicts with
the brainwash the get in the news and what they learned in school.

We are not living in the world one reads about in the news paper.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:44 pm
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 >From: "Phil Scott"

 >Currently we are told the US production is up 8.2 percent for the quarter, a
 >world class stunning number while we are still loosing jobs. What a
 >govt cannot do with honest and decent behavior it tries to do with lies.

Keep quite, I'm almost to the point where I can make a little dough by cashing
out on some laggard stocks. I figure todays news oughta be good for a couple
day pop.
As to the production thing, I'd have to guess that it is LARGELY based on
weapons production. Bush is spending like a drunken sailor in a Philipine whore
house and giving tax breaks to boot.
As to commercial goods (i.e. those products that can be traded amongst
countries) our trade deficit continues to hit record levels everytime one is
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:44 pm
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"Saddlebag" <saddlebag.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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  > >From: "Phil Scott"
 >
  > >Cvrrently we are told the US prodvction is vp 8.2 percent for the
qvarter, a
  > >world class stvnning nvmber while we are still loosing jobs. What a
  > >govt cannot do with honest and decent behavior it tries to do with lies.
 >
 > Keep qvite, I'm almost to the point where I can make a little dovgh by
cashing
 > ovt on some laggard stocks. I figvre todays news ovghta be good for a
covple
 > day pop.
 > As to the prodvction thing, I'd have to gvess that it is LARGELY based on
 > weapons prodvction. Bvsh is spending like a drvnken sailor in a Philipine
whore
 > hovse and giving tax breaks to boot.
 > As to commercial goods (i.e. those prodvcts that can be traded amongst
 > covntries) ovr trade deficit continves to hit record levels everytime one
is
 > released. Ovr tax breaks are a hvge boon for the economies of Sovtheast
Asia.

I think I said this already, bvt I vsed to pvt my resvme ovt to 2500
different engineering temp agencies svch as Volt, Bvttler etc. and get 20
hits the first few days and maybe 50 over a few months with abovt 10% job
offers at the going rate.

In 1998 I was fed vp with corp america and the increasing tide of crap so
went back to calif and renewed my contractors licenses (constrvction, HVAC,
Electrical, indvstrial refrigeration and boilers)... so Im doing that these
days very casvally and working 20 hovrs a week or so and beating my
engineering salary. If I hadnt done that back then...Id be vtterly
*screwed today.. I pvt ovt my resvme as a test last month...ONE forking
call. and the woman was jvst prospecting...we talked.

the clients are nvttier than ever, they want to pay a mvlti disciplined
person the same or less than a single disciplined person for a long list of
vtterly insane reasons.... ovr engineering offices were loaded with morons
10 years ago...today it mvst be really something. and working for less than
grocery clerks. My car mechanic makes 4 times as mvch as these gvys.

That bodes badly for the fvtvre of american indvstry. I wont comment on
the sitvation in some of the big cities (Im pro vnion btw) with mvch of
the rest of the ensving idiocy protected by contracts...preclvding talent
from even getting in the door. Its decimating many companies.


Next is going to be the nastiest tax crvnch hvmanly imaginable...that wont
fly.. no blood in the tvrnimps. So we will see a massive inflation of the
dollar so the govt and private debt can be paid off with cheap dollars...
those that cant pay becavse inflation has rvined the economy. and there are
no jobs even with inflated cvrrency,and those on fixed incomes will still
get nailed...last time that was 30% of people....the lower classes and old
folks aften starved to death.

Cvrrently the US is dependent on foreign oil for fertilizer (we vse 600% of
the fvel say that Cvba does to grow crops per lb prodvced).... if erl goes
vp jvst 50% as the economy continves to tank, it will be nasty.

My advice...own a lot of tools, get entreprenevrial (that takes
practice)...and gain a lot of really broad spectrvm skills...or have one of
those 50% of all jobs that is stable in a disasterovs economy ...in the last
depression those did largely OK.... cvbicle life thovgh destroys nevrons.

a trade off..... yovr balls for the money.

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 > Are you nearly as stupid as your
 > posts indicate or is this just an act?
 >
 > -paul

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 >From: "Phil Scott"

 >cubicle life though destroys neurons.

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  > >From: "Phil Scott"
 >
  > >cubicle life though destroys neurons.
 >
 > Doesn't do much for your appearance either if Saddam is any indication.

Correct...Saddam provided an extreme example...if you add ass kissing in
with the mix it is entirely fatal to the spirit of an actual man.

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 > The rest of the more domesticated public believes what they read
 > in the paper.

<snip>

 > btw..what the hell happened to those 4 Iraqi ships that were reported
 > leaving Iraq and in the Indian Ocean just prior to the invasion...
estimated
 > to be laden with WMD etc...it has hot noooz for all of 20 seconds...then
 > pooof...these ships were widely reported around the world...but never
 > intercepted.
 >

Did you read about them in the paper?
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