oil change question

"alf" wrote in message

> Hi,
>
> Can leaving the engine for the cold night without filling up with new oil
> after the previous was drained from the warmed up bike or car be harmful
> in any way?
>
> Then next morning you fill it up cold with cold oil of course before
> starting the engine.
>
> Andy

The only problem might be that you forget to refill your engine the next day
You start and run the engine, maybe even ride off
Goodbye engine
Maybe engine locks up / rear wheel locks up / you slide down the highway / a
big truck flattens you.
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"_-__-__-__-__-__-" wrote in message

>
> "alf" wrote in message
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can leaving the engine for the cold night without filling up with new oil
>> after the previous was drained from the warmed up bike or car be harmful
>> in any way?
>>
>> Then next morning you fill it up cold with cold oil of course before
>> starting the engine.
>>
>> Andy
>
> The only problem might be that you forget to refill your engine the next
> day
> You start and run the engine, maybe even ride off
> Goodbye engine
> Maybe engine locks up / rear wheel locks up / you slide down the highway /
> a big truck flattens you.
>
I have run miles maybe even hundreds without oil and my engine is still just
fine. Must be a myth. I would never ignore it again though. I was told it
just had an oil change when I bought it and rode it 1000 km before taking a
stick and checking it properly. I think that is why it got so hot after a
little riding and made more noise. All this because he did not give me a
manual when promised and the oil tank does not have a stick. Ever wonder
why that is. So inconvenient. I am trying 20/50 for high rev engines on my
DR200. I hope that is good enough. No winter/fall riding.

thanks
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:03:53 -0500, alf wrote:

>_-__-__-__-__-__- wrote:
>> "alf" wrote in message
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Can leaving the engine for the cold night without filling up with new oil
>>> after the previous was drained from the warmed up bike or car be harmful
>>> in any way?
>>>
>>> Then next morning you fill it up cold with cold oil of course before
>>> starting the engine.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> The only problem might be that you forget to refill your engine the next day
>> You start and run the engine, maybe even ride off
>> Goodbye engine
>> Maybe engine locks up / rear wheel locks up / you slide down the highway / a
>> big truck flattens you.
>>
>>
>
>thx for all responses. I was quite afraid that not warmed up oil by
>originally hot engine somehow gets to the pump at slower pace and the
>initial lubrication is delayed.

Fill your new oil filter up with oil prior to installing it.
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*p.s. A factoid is something that sounds true, but is not.
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:41:04 +0000, ~kurt wrote:

> alf wrote:
>
>> thx for all responses. I was quite afraid that not warmed up oil by
>> originally hot engine somehow gets to the pump at slower pace and the
>> initial lubrication is delayed. Read somewhere, that starting the
>> engine after fill up is a critical moment for whole system (unlike
>> starting the engine in normal way).
>
> There are lots of opinions on what is best for an engine. I have no
> doubt that starting the engine is harder on it right after an oil
> change. And, I wouldn't be surprised if starting it while it is still a
> little warm after that oil change is better than letting it cool down.
> But, I seriously doubt anyone has made any measurments quantifying just
> how much worse. Unless you have a reason to leave it empty, the best
> bet is to probably fill it up immediately, if for no other reason than
> leaving things dissasembled for longer than necessary is never a good
> idea. Also, with a lack of oil in the bike, there are more empty spots
> in the engine that could be subject to condensation depending on the
> environment the bike is in. Of course, even with oil in the bike, there
> are plenty of empty spots.
>
>> and this is follow-up question, is there any difference and how fast in
>> the first place, the oil pressure reaches its nominal value.
>
> I doubt anyone has ever measured it. I've let the bike cool all the way
> down after an oil change, and the oil pressure light seemed to still go
> out in an eyeblink.

It makes no difference if you start your engine right after an oil change
or a month after an oil change. If the oil is warm, or if the oil is cold.

Ever wonder what happens when you maybe don't ride your bike for a few
days on occasion? Oil will settle in the bottom and the effect will be
identical in the upper parts of the engine to having the oil drained.

But you don't ever think about that do you? You just get on your bike,
start it and ride it without a second thought, right?

Ultimately, it makes no difference. There will always be a thin layer of
oil that remains long enough to coat the parts until oil pressure is
established.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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>It makes no difference if you start your engine right after an oil change
>or a month after an oil change. If the oil is warm, or if the oil is cold.
>
>Ever wonder what happens when you maybe don't ride your bike for a few
>days on occasion? Oil will settle in the bottom and the effect will be
>identical in the upper parts of the engine to having the oil drained.
>
>But you don't ever think about that do you? You just get on your bike,
>start it and ride it without a second thought, right?
>
>Ultimately, it makes no difference. There will always be a thin layer of
>oil that remains long enough to coat the parts until oil pressure is
>established.

I don't think you mean that there is no need for a plan for long term
storage but I wanted to point out to anyone that will park a bike for
months that there is likely a procedure in their owner's manual for
making sure the bike will survive an extended period without being
ridden.
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"Fake Name" wrote in message

> >It makes no difference if you start your engine right after an oil change
>>or a month after an oil change. If the oil is warm, or if the oil is cold.
>>
>>Ever wonder what happens when you maybe don't ride your bike for a few
>>days on occasion? Oil will settle in the bottom and the effect will be
>>identical in the upper parts of the engine to having the oil drained.
>>
>>But you don't ever think about that do you? You just get on your bike,
>>start it and ride it without a second thought, right?
>>
>>Ultimately, it makes no difference. There will always be a thin layer of
>>oil that remains long enough to coat the parts until oil pressure is
>>established.
>
> I don't think you mean that there is no need for a plan for long term
> storage but I wanted to point out to anyone that will park a bike for
> months that there is likely a procedure in their owner's manual for
> making sure the bike will survive an extended period without being
> ridden.

What if you do not have a manual.
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>What if you do not have a manual.

They're all variations on a theme.

Fill the tank with stabilized gas.
Run the bike until you're sure the carb bowls have the stabilized gas
in them.
Change the oil and filter.
Remove the sparkplugs and pour a spoonful of oil into the cylinders.
Turn the engine over a few times with the plugs back in but not
connected to the wires.
Overfill the crankcase with oil up to the filler hole.
Put the keys in an envelope that says "Remember to change the oil
before riding next spring!" on the outside.
Take off the battery and put it on an automatic tender.
Deflate the tires to 80% of their normal pressure.

I'm sure others have their own procedures too.
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On Sep 20, 2:54 pm, Fake Name wrote:
> >What if you do not have a manual.
>
> They're all variations on a theme.
>
> Fill the tank with stabilized gas.
> Run the bike until you're sure the carb bowls have the stabilized gas
> in them.
> Change the oil and filter.
> Remove the sparkplugs and pour a spoonful of oil into the cylinders.
> Turn the engine over a few times with the plugs back in but not
> connected to the wires.
> Overfill the crankcase with oil up to the filler hole.
> Put the keys in an envelope that says "Remember to change the oil
> before riding next spring!" on the outside.
> Take off the battery and put it on an automatic tender.
> Deflate the tires to 80% of their normal pressure.
>
> I'm sure others have their own procedures too.

Yeah, like buy some warm clothes and ride it.
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On 9/20/07 4:44 PM, "saddlebag" wrote:

> Yeah, like buy some warm clothes and ride it.

Sure is easier than winterizing!

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"Reassembler" wrote in message

>

>
> LOL. I bet the cat had a hell of a case of the runs for a few days. Oh
> well, eight lives to go!
>
> Reassembler
>

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"alf" wrote in message

> Hi,
>
> Can leaving the engine for the cold night without filling up with new oil
> after the previous was drained from the warmed up bike or car be harmful
> in any way?
>
> Then next morning you fill it up cold with cold oil of course before
> starting the engine.
>
> Andy

What is this "oil change" of which you speak?
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