jump start an 06 Ninja

On Mar 8, 4:16 pm, Jamin wrote:
> On 3/8/07 11:45 AM, "Jim Tiberio" wrote:
>
> > If the car is running I know it's a problem.
>
> You know from direct experience or from stories?
>
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> Jamin
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>
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I think we need to get MythBusters on this one.
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On Mar 8, 4:24 pm, "BryanUT" wrote:
> On Mar 8, 4:16 pm, Jamin wrote:
>
> > On 3/8/07 11:45 AM, "Jim Tiberio" wrote:
>
> > > If the car is running I know it's a problem.
>
> > You know from direct experience or from stories?
>
> > --
> > Jamin
> > "I don't want a pickle..."
>
> > --
> > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
>
> I think we need to get MythBusters on this one.

seriously, so many contradicting stories here. I'll try it soon enough
and post my experience here ...
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on 3/8/07 3:43 PM, barneytoe wrote:

> On Mar 8, 4:24 pm, "BryanUT" wrote:
>>
>> I think we need to get MythBusters on this one.
>
> seriously, so many contradicting stories here. I'll try it soon enough
> and post my experience here ...
>
I bet there's some decent info available at battery manufacturer's websites.

I know I've jumped cars with cars, bikes with cars, and once even a car with
a bike. It was a small car. Every time I've jumped a bike, the jumper cables
have been on the battery terminals on the bike side. I've seen cars jumped
both ways: cables on terminals or negative cable on ground (engine block or
frame). All ways have worked in my experience, and nobody reported
detrimental effects.

One guy at work had his battery exploded for him, because he asked a dude
for a jump in the parking garage, and apparently neither one of them knew
how to do it. They crossed the cable polarity on accident, and POW! There
goes the battery. Battery fluid flying everywhere.

--
Jamin
"I don't want a pickle..."
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"Jim Tiberio" wrote in message

>
> "barneytoe" wrote in message
>
> > 06 Ninjas have the battery inconveniently located under the gas tank.
> > If one removes the driver seat, i have clear access to the negative
> > terminal and can barely see the positive terminal.
> >
> > Yes, I'm planning on using my truck's battery, with vehicle powered
> > off.
> >
> > Anyone jumped their Ninja before? Is there a special dongle or cable I
> > can use to sneak into that positive terminal? Not enough room to get
> > the jumper cable clamp on it otherwise.
> >
> > thanks.
> >
> > c
> >
>
> Check your manual and see if they have a positive terminal located
> elsewhere. I've never had this issue with a bike but one of my cars has
the
> battery under the rear seat with a positive (no negative needed when
> jumping) jumper terminal conveniently located on the fire wall.
>
>

Isnt there a potential issue with burning up the stator when using
a car battery to boost a bike? This was discussed in here a while
back.
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In article , pete
wrote:

> "Jim Tiberio" wrote in message
>
> >
> > "barneytoe" wrote in message
> >
> > > 06 Ninjas have the battery inconveniently located under the gas tank.
> > > If one removes the driver seat, i have clear access to the negative
> > > terminal and can barely see the positive terminal.
> > >
> > > Yes, I'm planning on using my truck's battery, with vehicle powered
> > > off.
> > >
> > > Anyone jumped their Ninja before? Is there a special dongle or cable I
> > > can use to sneak into that positive terminal? Not enough room to get
> > > the jumper cable clamp on it otherwise.
> > >
> > > thanks.
> > >
> > > c
> > >
> >
> > Check your manual and see if they have a positive terminal located
> > elsewhere. I've never had this issue with a bike but one of my cars has
> the
> > battery under the rear seat with a positive (no negative needed when
> > jumping) jumper terminal conveniently located on the fire wall.
> >
> >
>
> Isnt there a potential issue with burning up the stator when using
> a car battery to boost a bike? This was discussed in here a while
> back.

That's why the other vehicle should not be running.

You *might* be okay, though--my husband got a jump for the SV650 from
someone who left their vehicle running and it's still okay. (Although
my hair went straight up when he later told me about it.)

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'00 SV650 | '00 929
Lippman Racing CBR 400RR
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"pete" wrote in message

>
> "Jim Tiberio" wrote in message
>
>>
>> "barneytoe" wrote in message
>>
>> > 06 Ninjas have the battery inconveniently located under the gas tank.
>> > If one removes the driver seat, i have clear access to the negative
>> > terminal and can barely see the positive terminal.
>> >
>> > Yes, I'm planning on using my truck's battery, with vehicle powered
>> > off.
>> >
>> > Anyone jumped their Ninja before? Is there a special dongle or cable I
>> > can use to sneak into that positive terminal? Not enough room to get
>> > the jumper cable clamp on it otherwise.
>> >
>> > thanks.
>> >
>> > c
>> >
>>
>> Check your manual and see if they have a positive terminal located
>> elsewhere. I've never had this issue with a bike but one of my cars has
> the
>> battery under the rear seat with a positive (no negative needed when
>> jumping) jumper terminal conveniently located on the fire wall.
>>
>>
>
> Isnt there a potential issue with burning up the stator when using
> a car battery to boost a bike? This was discussed in here a while
> back.
>
>

If the car is running I know it's a problem.
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On 3/8/07 11:45 AM, "Jim Tiberio" wrote:

> If the car is running I know it's a problem.

You know from direct experience or from stories?

--
Jamin
"I don't want a pickle..."




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On Mar 8, 9:00 pm, Jamin wrote:
> on 3/8/07 3:43 PM, barneytoe wrote:
>
> > On Mar 8, 4:24 pm, "BryanUT" wrote:
>
> >> I think we need to get MythBusters on this one.
>
> > seriously, so many contradicting stories here. I'll try it soon enough
> > and post my experience here ...
>
> I bet there's some decent info available at battery manufacturer's websites.
>
> I know I've jumped cars with cars, bikes with cars, and once even a car with
> a bike. It was a small car. Every time I've jumped a bike, the jumper cables
> have been on the battery terminals on the bike side. I've seen cars jumped
> both ways: cables on terminals or negative cable on ground (engine block or
> frame). All ways have worked in my experience, and nobody reported
> detrimental effects.
>
> One guy at work had his battery exploded for him, because he asked a dude
> for a jump in the parking garage, and apparently neither one of them knew
> how to do it. They crossed the cable polarity on accident, and POW! There
> goes the battery. Battery fluid flying everywhere.

The only reason to not place battery cables terminal to terminal is
that a battery may leak hydrogen. The last connection made should be
a ground (from either vehicle) to a chassis somewhere away from the
battery simply to prevent any possible spark from setting off the
volatile gas.

I can't figure how crossing polarities in and of itself would cause a
dead battery to explode. Connecting a battery postive to a second
battery negative is a typical series connection that allows one to add
battery voltages in series. You wouldn't normally want to tie the
positive of the second battery back to the negative of the first
battery as this would cause a short (24 V to 0 V) that would result in
a large in rush current that could overheat either battery that could
result in a nasty destruction. But if the second battery is dead, it
has little if any energy to source back to the first and should appear
as an open circuit to the donor regardless of how it's hooked up.
Current doesn't flow through batteries. Charge on one end of a
battery flows through a load and to the other oppositely charged end
until it runs out (or is replenished via an alternator).

Perhaps the positive/negative cell isolation only stands when the lead
acid cells are charged in their designed polarities. Interesting
topic I can't ever recall encountering before.
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on 3/8/07 8:21 PM, Saddlebag wrote:

> The only reason to not place battery cables terminal to terminal is
> that a battery may leak hydrogen. The last connection made should be
> a ground (from either vehicle) to a chassis somewhere away from the
> battery simply to prevent any possible spark from setting off the
> volatile gas.
>
Makes sense.

> I can't figure how crossing polarities in and of itself would cause a
> dead battery to explode. Connecting a battery postive to a second
> battery negative is a typical series connection that allows one to add
> battery voltages in series. You wouldn't normally want to tie the
> positive of the second battery back to the negative of the first
> battery as this would cause a short (24 V to 0 V) that would result in
> a large in rush current that could overheat either battery that could
> result in a nasty destruction.
>
I'm pretty sure they crossed both leads: neg to pos, and then pos to neg. At
least that's how I heard it. It could have been bad 2nd hand info.

> But if the second battery is dead, it
> has little if any energy to source back to the first and should appear
> as an open circuit to the donor regardless of how it's hooked up.
> Current doesn't flow through batteries. Charge on one end of a
> battery flows through a load and to the other oppositely charged end
> until it runs out (or is replenished via an alternator).
>
> Perhaps the positive/negative cell isolation only stands when the lead
> acid cells are charged in their designed polarities. Interesting
> topic I can't ever recall encountering before.
>
Dunno. I didn't see it myself, just talked to the guy with the fried
battery, who didn't really know squat about jumping cars, which is why he
asked for help in the first place. Man was he mad, though.

--
Jamin
"I don't want a pickle..."
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"Jamin" wrote in message

> On 3/8/07 11:45 AM, "Jim Tiberio" wrote:
>
>> If the car is running I know it's a problem.
>
> You know from direct experience or from stories?
>
Stories, I've always used a tender/charger on my bikes.
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"Saddlebag" wrote in message

>
> I can't figure how crossing polarities in and of itself would cause a
> dead battery to explode.

I did it once, the connection was never truly made but there was brief
contact because I was sloppy in connecting the cables. No battery damage
but it fried a few fuses and a capacitor that Lexus was kind enough to
install so dummies like me wouldn't fry the computer system.
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On Mar 8, 11:50 pm, Jamin wrote:
> on 3/8/07 8:21 PM, Saddlebag wrote:
>
> > The only reason to not place battery cables terminal to terminal is
> > that a battery may leak hydrogen. The last connection made should be
> > a ground (from either vehicle) to a chassis somewhere away from the
> > battery simply to prevent any possible spark from setting off the
> > volatile gas.
>
> Makes sense.
>
> > I can't figure how crossing polarities in and of itself would cause a
> > dead battery to explode. Connecting a battery postive to a second
> > battery negative is a typical series connection that allows one to add
> > battery voltages in series. You wouldn't normally want to tie the
> > positive of the second battery back to the negative of the first
> > battery as this would cause a short (24 V to 0 V) that would result in
> > a large in rush current that could overheat either battery that could
> > result in a nasty destruction.
>
> I'm pretty sure they crossed both leads: neg to pos, and then pos to neg. At
> least that's how I heard it. It could have been bad 2nd hand info.
>
> > But if the second battery is dead, it
> > has little if any energy to source back to the first and should appear
> > as an open circuit to the donor regardless of how it's hooked up.
> > Current doesn't flow through batteries. Charge on one end of a
> > battery flows through a load and to the other oppositely charged end
> > until it runs out (or is replenished via an alternator).
>
> > Perhaps the positive/negative cell isolation only stands when the lead
> > acid cells are charged in their designed polarities. Interesting
> > topic I can't ever recall encountering before.
>
> Dunno. I didn't see it myself, just talked to the guy with the fried
> battery, who didn't really know squat about jumping cars, which is why he
> asked for help in the first place. Man was he mad, though.
>
> --
> Jamin
> "I don't want a pickle..."

The finall word is that IT WORKS! Jumped it with my Silverado, no
probs. Truck was not running.

Trick to getting to Ninja battery without removing the gas tank is to
use a nail punch to extend under tank to touch positive terminal.
Wrapped nail punch in electricall tape to prevent short ..... then
clamped on nail punch.

Thieves at Kawasaki don't even say how to remove the tank, says "for
battery service contact dealer". What a rip off. I couldn't figure it
out but am happy as a lark today

Thanks for alll the advice.

c
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On Mar 11, 7:26 pm, "barneytoe" wrote:
> On Mar 8, 11:50 pm, Jamin wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > on 3/8/07 8:21 PM, Saddlebag wrote:
>
> > > The only reason to not place battery cables terminal to terminal is
> > > that a battery may leak hydrogen. The last connection made should be
> > > a ground (from either vehicle) to a chassis somewhere away from the
> > > battery simply to prevent any possible spark from setting off the
> > > volatile gas.
>
> > Makes sense.
>
> > > I can't figure how crossing polarities in and of itself would cause a
> > > dead battery to explode. Connecting a battery postive to a second
> > > battery negative is a typical series connection that allows one to add
> > > battery voltages in series. You wouldn't normally want to tie the
> > > positive of the second battery back to the negative of the first
> > > battery as this would cause a short (24 V to 0 V) that would result in
> > > a large in rush current that could overheat either battery that could
> > > result in a nasty destruction.
>
> > I'm pretty sure they crossed both leads: neg to pos, and then pos to neg. At
> > least that's how I heard it. It could have been bad 2nd hand info.
>
> > > But if the second battery is dead, it
> > > has little if any energy to source back to the first and should appear
> > > as an open circuit to the donor regardless of how it's hooked up.
> > > Current doesn't flow through batteries. Charge on one end of a
> > > battery flows through a load and to the other oppositely charged end
> > > until it runs out (or is replenished via an alternator).
>
> > > Perhaps the positive/negative cell isolation only stands when the lead
> > > acid cells are charged in their designed polarities. Interesting
> > > topic I can't ever recall encountering before.
>
> > Dunno. I didn't see it myself, just talked to the guy with the fried
> > battery, who didn't really know squat about jumping cars, which is why he
> > asked for help in the first place. Man was he mad, though.
>
> > --
> > Jamin
> > "I don't want a pickle..."
>
> The finall word is that IT WORKS! Jumped it with my Silverado, no
> probs. Truck was not running.
>
> Trick to getting to Ninja battery without removing the gas tank is to
> use a nail punch to extend under tank to touch positive terminal.
> Wrapped nail punch in electricall tape to prevent short ..... then
> clamped on nail punch.
>
> Thieves at Kawasaki don't even say how to remove the tank, says "for
> battery service contact dealer". What a rip off. I couldn't figure it
> out but am happy as a lark today
>
> Thanks for alll the advice.
>
> c- Hide quoted text -
>
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Clever. MacGyver would be proud.

Buy a shop manual, but modern sportbikes are a pain to work on.
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