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(Msg. 46) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:44 am
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:29:31 GMT, Calgary
<actual.rider_remove_the_obvious_ DeleteThis @telus.net> wrote:

>... Knowing the gps is locked into your
>ultimate destination allows me to take that little squiggly line on
>the map confident the gps will recalculate my route back to the
>original destination once I am done exploring. ...

Ah, but the best travelling doesn't have an ultimate destination.
Nothing better than taking off with a simple plan of, say...clockwise
around California. You get up to Norcal and late at night in a motel,
you throw the AAA Northern California Section map on the bed. There
are the old standbys of 299 and 36 that go between 5 and the coast,
but then you see all these little side roads that must be a gas. You
could spend a few days just wandering around. Sure, a GPS will get you
back to _somewhere_, but who cares where that somewhere is? Just
looking at the map gives me wanderlust. I mean, the Cecilville Road
along the South Fork of the Salmon River in the Trinity Alps? China
Grade to Happy Camp? You can take Rattlesnake Road out of Peanut and
get to Wild Mad Road. (I think I know where I'm taking my next
vacation.)
Maps are magic. A GPS has no soul.

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(Msg. 47) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:04 am
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SNIP
> Maps are magic. A GPS has no soul.
>
> --
> Turby the Turbosurfer


Not only that with a map you can honestly say "gee I shoulda made that left in
albacorky" It's amazing the thing you see when you miss read. 450# heifers in
short skirts bending over revealing a...
















THONG! I'm considering therapy for that trauma. It was awful, that was the
description. SWMBO saw and stole a cigarette from me...first one since 1998.
Helped her keep from throwing up.

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(Msg. 48) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:19 am
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Keith Schiffner wrote:
> ALWAYS plan you route ahead...unless you name is j. clarke and you plan 5
> minutes before and let the GPS sort it out.
>
> THINK before you move a meter.
>
> PLAN on changing plans not due to weather, road conditions or traffic but
> because you CHOOSE to change and not be dictated to by a machine.
>
> MAKE directions that show distance, road, when to turn and which way.
>
> THEN tape it where you can see it.

With all this planning, how do you have time to enjoy the ride?

Sounds dull to me. I prefer to just pick a direction and go...

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(Msg. 49) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:19 am
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"Outback Jon" <teammft RemoveThis @ver.no.sp.am.izon.net> wrote in message
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> Keith Schiffner wrote:
>> ALWAYS plan you route ahead...unless you name is j. clarke and you plan 5
>> minutes before and let the GPS sort it out.
>>
>> THINK before you move a meter.
>>
>> PLAN on changing plans not due to weather, road conditions or traffic but
>> because you CHOOSE to change and not be dictated to by a machine.
>>
>> MAKE directions that show distance, road, when to turn and which way.
>>
>> THEN tape it where you can see it.
>

caveat(or how ever the hell it's spelt) no coffee, no pussy, no time and I've
got a damn headache.

> With all this planning, how do you have time to enjoy the ride?
>

What you don't shut of the TV or computer? Make someone else do the lawn? Check
an atlas whilst on the shitter? Heck half my planning is in my head "I'm here, I
want to go there and passing there would be nice" I start planning months ahead
sometimes as far as routes go and then throw it out the window 50 miles from
where I was going for a 150+ mile detour. (Steamboat rock, Grand Coulee dam and
Cheif Joseph dam were worth and I got to ride the a fire, along a lake at night)
It was worth it.


> Sounds dull to me. I prefer to just pick a direction and go...

Well duh, that's weekend putt.
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spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from
fiddling with it.
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(Msg. 50) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:27 am
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On Jun 27, 4:58 pm, Fred True <fredt....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 26, 4:35 pm, James Egan <jegan....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> No, paper maps are NOT de rigeur any longer. Navigators are more up
> to date and a reliable enouigh that they can be depended upon. Maps
> require that you know where you are in order to use them and I for one
> do not intend to arry a sextant and a set of charts to shoot the sun.

You've got to be kidding me. Are you implying you sometimes don't
know where you are to start with?

Sheesh. People are getting dumber. There is no doubt about it. I'll
bet you can't calculate a tip without a calculater.
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(Msg. 51) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:18 pm
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BryanUT wrote:
> On Jun 27, 4:58 pm, Fred True <fredt... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 26, 4:35 pm, James Egan <jegan... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> No, paper maps are NOT de rigeur any longer. Navigators are more up
>> to date and a reliable enouigh that they can be depended upon. Maps
>> require that you know where you are in order to use them and I for
>> one do not intend to arry a sextant and a set of charts to shoot the
>> sun.
>
> You've got to be kidding me. Are you implying you sometimes don't
> know where you are to start with?

For modern land navigation, where one can travel a thousand miles or
more in a single day, a sextant is rarely useful--the precision is low
and you can usually only take your position once a day--it's difficult
to do a star sight with an artificial horizon, so you have to rely on
the noon position. In the days when one travelled on foot or on the
feet of an animal it was more helpful, but generally pilotage and local
knowledge work better on land.

Still, there are times when one does _not_ know where one is except in
the most approximate way--generally they are survival situations though
that it is difficult to imagine one getting oneself into on a
motorcycle.

There are other problems though--for example it's easy to write yourself
a set of directions that say "turn left on Elm Street". So you're riding
along at 3 AM in a heavy rain and you come to an intersection. No sign
on the cross street. So is this Elm street? Dunno. Ride a little
longer, come to another street, again no sign. Three or four of those
and then ten miles with no cross street, so which one was it? You ride
around aimlessly for a while looking for a place with enough shelter
that you can look at your map without it getting instantly soaked
through and finally give up and get it out in the rain and look at it
with your flashlight. Well, there's Elm street, but it doesn't show the
others, or if it does it's so soaked with rainwater that you can't tell.
So you backtrack, and ride down the first one until you find a sign.
Nope, not Elm Street. So now you go to the second one, still not Elm
street, so go to the third one, finally you're on Elm Street. Meanwhile
you've spent half the night looking for Elm street, where if you had a
GPS then you would have hit it right the first time.

And _now_ you've got to find Myrtle Avenue. And it's starting to snow .
.. .

For ocean navigation, one did indeed sometimes not know where one
was--imagine being blown about by a storm for several days while not
having had an opportunity to check one's position for a week or more due
to overcast skies, the whole time going 200 miles a day in one direction
or another, with the water under you going in another direction. In the
ocean there are no convenient landmarks or helpful bystanders.

As for "navigators" being reliable, perhaps they are, but the handhelds
still won't run a full day on a set of batteries and they are all highly
pilferable and attractive to thieves. Further, on a motorcycle they
_can_ fall off and by Murphy's law when it does fall off there will be
an 18-wheeler behind you that manages to visit your fallen GPS with as
many of those 18 wheels as will bear.

If getting lost can endanger your life or make you totally miserable in
some other way, don't rely on only a single means of finding your
position and route.

A modern GPS with built in maps for most of a continent in one pocket
sized package is a damnable convenient and useful piece of equipment,
but it _can_ let you down. You can also get your paper map too close to
the campfire--they can let you down too. If you've got both odds that
both are going to fail at the same time are pretty small.

--
>
> Sheesh. People are getting dumber. There is no doubt about it. I'll
> bet you can't calculate a tip without a calculater.

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(Msg. 52) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:10 pm
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:18:34 -0400, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet DeleteThis @cox.net> wrote:

>As for "navigators" being reliable, perhaps they are, but the handhelds
>still won't run a full day on a set of batteries....

My $199 handheld runs 15 hours on a pair of AAs. That's why I bought it.

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(Msg. 53) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:31 pm
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:10:08 -0400, pltrgyst
<pltrgyst.DeleteThis@spamlessxhost.org> wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:18:34 -0400, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>As for "navigators" being reliable, perhaps they are, but the handhelds
>>still won't run a full day on a set of batteries....
>
>My $199 handheld runs 15 hours on a pair of AAs. That's why I bought it.
>
>-- Larry

How long would it run if she had a pair of DD's ?

What about a nice C cup ?

We need to know .....


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(Msg. 54) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:03 pm
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pltrgyst wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:18:34 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> <jclarke.usenet.TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> As for "navigators" being reliable, perhaps they are, but the
>> handhelds still won't run a full day on a set of batteries....
>
> My $199 handheld runs 15 hours on a pair of AAs. That's why I bought
> it.

The last time I checked there were 24 hours in a day. Did I miss a
memo?

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(Msg. 55) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:20 pm
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:03:11 -0400, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet DeleteThis @cox.net> wrote:

>>> As for "navigators" being reliable, perhaps they are, but the
>>> handhelds still won't run a full day on a set of batteries....
>>
>> My $199 handheld runs 15 hours on a pair of AAs. That's why I bought
>> it.
>
>The last time I checked there were 24 hours in a day. Did I miss a
>memo?

"Day" is frequently used to mean something other than a specific period of 24
hours. Any reasonable riding day, for other than an Iron Butt event, is well
covered by 15 hours of operation.

From the thread context, it seemed reasonable to assume that you meant a riding
or waking day. Which, of course, you did, and now you're just being obtuse.

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(Msg. 56) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:18 pm
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"Stephen!" <NO DeleteThis @spam.com> wrote in message
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> "Keith Schiffner" <schistan DeleteThis @bresnan.net> wrote in
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>> ALWAYS plan you route ahead...
>
>
> How boring



You deliberately skipped the part about "throwing out the plan 50 miles from the
destination" wanker. 8^)
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(Msg. 57) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:24 pm
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pltrgyst wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:03:11 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> <jclarke.usenet.TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>>> As for "navigators" being reliable, perhaps they are, but the
>>>> handhelds still won't run a full day on a set of batteries....
>>>
>>> My $199 handheld runs 15 hours on a pair of AAs. That's why I bought
>>> it.
>>
>> The last time I checked there were 24 hours in a day. Did I miss a
>> memo?
>
> "Day" is frequently used to mean something other than a specific
> period of 24 hours. Any reasonable riding day, for other than an Iron
> Butt event, is well covered by 15 hours of operation.
>
> From the thread context, it seemed reasonable to assume that you
> meant a riding or waking day. Which, of course, you did, and now
> you're just being obtuse.

I see. So you're a mind reader. It never ceases to amaze me how many
loons on USENET can tell what another person was thinking even when they
were thinking something else entirely.

But it's clear that you're trying to start an argument.

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(Msg. 58) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:46 pm
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:44:11 -0700, Turby <turbosurfer.RemoveThis@beach.comber>
wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:29:31 GMT, Calgary
><actual.rider_remove_the_obvious_.RemoveThis@telus.net> wrote:
>
>>... Knowing the gps is locked into your
>>ultimate destination allows me to take that little squiggly line on
>>the map confident the gps will recalculate my route back to the
>>original destination once I am done exploring. ...
>
>Ah, but the best travelling doesn't have an ultimate destination.
>Nothing better than taking off with a simple plan of, say...clockwise
>around California. You get up to Norcal and late at night in a motel,
>you throw the AAA Northern California Section map on the bed. There
>are the old standbys of 299 and 36 that go between 5 and the coast,
>but then you see all these little side roads that must be a gas. You
>could spend a few days just wandering around.

A few days? I've been doing that ever since I learned to ride a
bicycle. That's been a few years now (I can still vividly recall my
first collision with a car. That was more than 50 years ago).

>Sure, a GPS will get you
>back to _somewhere_, but who cares where that somewhere is? Just
>looking at the map gives me wanderlust.

Oh yeah. I look at a map and think: "Gee, I could be there in a couple
of hours. Maybe next weekend."

<snip>

>Maps are magic. A GPS has no soul.

On your next trip into the wilds, consider celestial navigation. I
certainly enjoy the time I've spent under dark skies...

Al Moore
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(Msg. 59) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:12 pm
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:04:38 -0600, "Keith Schiffner"
<schistan RemoveThis @bresnan.net> wrote:

>
>SNIP
>> Maps are magic. A GPS has no soul.
>>
>> --
>> Turby the Turbosurfer
>
>
>Not only that with a map you can honestly say "gee I shoulda made that left in
>albacorky" It's amazing the thing you see when you miss read. 450# heifers in
>short skirts bending over revealing a...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>THONG! I'm considering therapy for that trauma. It was awful, that was the
>description. SWMBO saw and stole a cigarette from me...first one since 1998.
>Helped her keep from throwing up.
>
Were you in Sioux City too?
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(Msg. 60) Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:03 pm
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:24:49 -0400, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet.TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote:

>>>>> As for "navigators" being reliable, perhaps they are, but the
>>>>> handhelds still won't run a full day on a set of batteries....
>>>>
>>>> My $199 handheld runs 15 hours on a pair of AAs. That's why I bought
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> The last time I checked there were 24 hours in a day. Did I miss a
>>> memo?
>>
>> "Day" is frequently used to mean something other than a specific
>> period of 24 hours. Any reasonable riding day, for other than an Iron
>> Butt event, is well covered by 15 hours of operation.
>>
>> From the thread context, it seemed reasonable to assume that you
>> meant a riding or waking day. Which, of course, you did, and now
>> you're just being obtuse.
>
>I see. So you're a mind reader. It never ceases to amaze me how many
>loons on USENET can tell what another person was thinking even when they
>were thinking something else entirely.
>
>But it's clear that you're trying to start an argument.

Nope. What would I be arguing about?

I simply pointed out that there's at least one 3.5" GPS available with a battery
life of 15 hours, the iWay 250c. So far as I know, it's the only one. The fact
that it's available might be useful to someone reading this thread.

You're the one who tried to create a semantic argument with a smart-assed
remark, instead of merely responding that you need one that will last a full 24
hours. You _still_ haven't said that.

-- Larry
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