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Turby

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:12 am
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:46:55 -0600, "Keith Schiffner"
<schistan.TakeThisOut@bresnan.net> wrote:
>"BryanUT" <nestle12.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> I keep trying to get lost. But I like reading maps so I can pretty much find
>> my way anywhere in the U.S.
>
>I never get lost everyone tells me where to go. When that isn't working I write
>myself directions...the hard part is reading my writing at 80mph and keeping an
>eye on the road.
>>
>> Plus I'm a Luddite.
>
>You're use of a computer would belie that comment. I'd rather be called
>"Technology discerning" 8^) I get what I want and not what everyone says I need.

Hallelujah. I cowtowed to popular opinion once and bought a Valentine
One radar detector. I haven't had a speeding ticket since, but one of
these days I might take it out of the garage and put it on the bike.

The problem with GPSs is they tell you where you think you want to go.
They have a hard time telling you where you didn't know you wanted to
go. Big pictures are hard to show on tiny screens. Maps allow you to
scan for opportunities. "hmmm. I wonder where that squiggly little
road goes?"

Also, Reeky is rampant with stories of faulty GPS info. The mechanical
voice telling you to go the wrong way on a one-way road, hotels that
aren't there, not knowing about hotels that are miles closer than what
they want to send you to, etc, etc.

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:15 am
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Keith Schiffner wrote:
> SNIP
>
>>> Three rules of holistic travel plans:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sometimes the route you plan is most definitely NOT the route
>>> you should be taking.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It becomes obvious in ways that are serendipitous, subtle and
>>> unobtrusive that ones planed route is both uninteresting and dull.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Frankly sometimes you should follow your sense of curiosity and
>>> not any damn fool plan.
>>
>> And having followed your sense of curiosity, now you're on reserve
>> and haven't seen a gas station in ages, so I don't know what _you_
>> do but I ask the GPS to find me a gas station.
>
> What you don't have a fuel gage?

What's a fuel gage?

But it doesn't matter. Your'e on 1/4 tank and you haven't seen a gas
station in ages. Same problem.

Now quit trying to change the subject.

> I top off somewhere between 1/4 tank
> and hitting the orange. Not that it matters as I know how far I can
> get away with. 150-170 miles depending on whether or not I ride like
> sedate prole or I'm listening to some modern surf. It's just sensible
> to no how far you can go on a tank of fuel. Are you telling me you
> don't know how far you can go without a GPS?

Please quote the statement that leads you to believe this.

> You can't find fuel
> stops without a GPS?

Not if there are none in visible range, none indicated on the map, and
no signs pointing to them. Perhaps you are blessed with a form of
extrasensory perception that allows you to locate gas stations by
telepathy, but the rest of us are forced to rely on other means.

> What happened to spotting useful places during
> your normal scan of the road, spotting the fuel stops at least a 1/2
> mile away?

Uh, what part of "haven't seen a gas station in ages" are you having
trouble with?

Now let's see, you've wandered all over every desert in the universe for
the past 10 years but then it is inconcievable to you that someone could
ride 150 miles without seeing a gas station, and it's inconcievable to
you that someone might ride a motorcycle without a gas gage.

You _have_ to be a poseur, and a young one.

> Allowing for all that you mean to say you don't carry a
> spare gallon or two?

Not unless I anticipate running over my tank range.

>> Or having followed your sense of curiosity for 6 hours since lunch
>> you've got a hankering for some Chinese food, I don't know what
>> _you_ do but I ask the GPS to find me a Chinese restaurant.
>
> When traveling I sometimes carry an old alpine II stove that runs on
> kerosene/regular. Whip out a pack of ramen, shave some Spam into it
> and enjoy. Couldn't be simpler...why make life complicated?

Because I'm in the mood for kung pao chicken, not ramen and spam.

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:15 am
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:38:57 -0600, "Keith Schiffner"
<schistan.RemoveThis@bresnan.net> wrote:
>"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:f5top101vqr@news2.newsguy.com...

>> What's a fuel gage?
>
>Obviously you ride an inferior motorcycle.

A DL650. He spent the last 20 years as a desk jockey without a bike
and bought the Suzuki two months ago.

>... Or are you being obstinante and argumentative for the sake of being such?

You're catching on. J. Clarke has a very predictable posting pattern.

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(Msg. 34) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:02 am
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SNIP

>>Yep it was those pesky Chinese. Oh and it will more likely be a EMP not direct
>>attacks either laser/maser or kinetic. Not that I've given it any thought.
>
> The Russian and Chinese satellites will still be okay.
> I imagine they run on tubes.

SNORK!

Trust a Canadian to point out the obvious. ;^) On the plus side you can plug in
a vintage Les Paul it will sound "right" nothing like "tube fuzz" to give you a
warm glow.

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(Msg. 35) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:06 am
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"Turby" <turbosurfer DeleteThis @beach.comber> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:46:55 -0600, "Keith Schiffner"
> <schistan DeleteThis @bresnan.net> wrote:
>>"BryanUT" <nestle12 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:GPCdncEa09QsURzbnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>> I keep trying to get lost. But I like reading maps so I can pretty much
>>> find
>>> my way anywhere in the U.S.
>>
>>I never get lost everyone tells me where to go. When that isn't working I
>>write
>>myself directions...the hard part is reading my writing at 80mph and keeping
>>an
>>eye on the road.
>>>
>>> Plus I'm a Luddite.
>>
>>You're use of a computer would belie that comment. I'd rather be called
>>"Technology discerning" 8^) I get what I want and not what everyone says I
>>need.
>
> Hallelujah. I cowtowed to popular opinion once and bought a Valentine
> One radar detector. I haven't had a speeding ticket since, but one of
> these days I might take it out of the garage and put it on the bike.
>
> The problem with GPSs is they tell you where you think you want to go.
> They have a hard time telling you where you didn't know you wanted to
> go. Big pictures are hard to show on tiny screens. Maps allow you to
> scan for opportunities. "hmmm. I wonder where that squiggly little
> road goes?"
>
> Also, Reeky is rampant with stories of faulty GPS info. The mechanical
> voice telling you to go the wrong way on a one-way road, hotels that
> aren't there, not knowing about hotels that are miles closer than what
> they want to send you to, etc, etc.

That's the point I was sort of making. Use a GPS long enough, have it push to a
map enough times, lose EVER visible map and you to will get good enough and fed
up enough to not need them anymore. ;^) Mind you it might be a hoot to get a
sextant and learn to use a analog GPS.

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(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:40 am
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Turby wrote:

> Also, Reeky is rampant with stories of faulty GPS info. The mechanical
> voice telling you to go the wrong way on a one-way road, hotels that
> aren't there, not knowing about hotels that are miles closer than what
> they want to send you to, etc, etc.

Yep. I was surprised by how many errors my GPS made on the Moab trip.
In Evanston WY, it said the Voyager motel was about 1/2 mile away from
where it really was. The laundromat it directed us to, was across the
road from the GPS's idea of where it should be. US 60 from Worthington
MN to Sioux City IA was a couple miles away at times, but that was a
simple case of the new road being at a different location from the old
road. There were other mistakes and getting the GPS to provide routes
that matched my riding preference was tricky at times.

However-- with all its faults, the GPS is a fantastically useful tool.
It's just a good idea not to rely on it overmuch, but as an adjunct to
other tools, it's well worth the price and bother of fitting one to a
bike.

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(Msg. 37) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:17 pm
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:02:07 -0600, "Keith Schiffner"
<schistan.DeleteThis@bresnan.net> wrote:

>SNIP
>
>>>Yep it was those pesky Chinese. Oh and it will more likely be a EMP not direct
>>>attacks either laser/maser or kinetic. Not that I've given it any thought.
>>
>> The Russian and Chinese satellites will still be okay.
>> I imagine they run on tubes.
>
>SNORK!
>
>Trust a Canadian to point out the obvious. ;^) On the plus side you can plug in
>a vintage Les Paul it will sound "right" nothing like "tube fuzz" to give you a
>warm glow.

You been looking in my basement?
Okay, it's a new Les Paul, the vintage ones are too expensive, but it
does sound good filtered through those Russian/Chinese tubes.
(It's also an Epiphone instead of a Gibson but made with the Gibson
parts for half the price)
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:21 pm
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:12:05 -0700, Turby <turbosurfer.RemoveThis@beach.comber>
wrote:

>On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:46:55 -0600, "Keith Schiffner"
><schistan.RemoveThis@bresnan.net> wrote:
>>"BryanUT" <nestle12.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:GPCdncEa09QsURzbnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>> I keep trying to get lost. But I like reading maps so I can pretty much find
>>> my way anywhere in the U.S.
>>
>>I never get lost everyone tells me where to go. When that isn't working I write
>>myself directions...the hard part is reading my writing at 80mph and keeping an
>>eye on the road.
>>>
>>> Plus I'm a Luddite.
>>
>>You're use of a computer would belie that comment. I'd rather be called
>>"Technology discerning" 8^) I get what I want and not what everyone says I need.
>
>Hallelujah. I cowtowed to popular opinion once and bought a Valentine
>One radar detector. I haven't had a speeding ticket since, but one of
>these days I might take it out of the garage and put it on the bike.
>
>The problem with GPSs is they tell you where you think you want to go.
>They have a hard time telling you where you didn't know you wanted to
>go. Big pictures are hard to show on tiny screens. Maps allow you to
>scan for opportunities. "hmmm. I wonder where that squiggly little
>road goes?"
>
>Also, Reeky is rampant with stories of faulty GPS info. The mechanical
>voice telling you to go the wrong way on a one-way road, hotels that
>aren't there, not knowing about hotels that are miles closer than what
>they want to send you to, etc, etc.

I would like a GPS but it's mainly as an amusement since I generally
scope out where I want to go, eat and stay using maps and the internet
first.
If I'm in a hurry to get somewhere it's not hard to find where you are
going through the interstate system. I just double check the map when
I stop for gas at one of the abundant (except in North Dakota) gas
stations every couple of hours.
While on the road I'm not too picky about what, where or when I eat
and there is always a McDo close to a gas stop.
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:35 pm
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Turby wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:38:57 -0600, "Keith Schiffner"
> <schistan RemoveThis @bresnan.net> wrote:
>> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:f5top101vqr@news2.newsguy.com...
>
>>> What's a fuel gage?
>>
>> Obviously you ride an inferior motorcycle.
>
> A DL650. He spent the last 20 years as a desk jockey without a bike
> and bought the Suzuki two months ago.
>
>> ... Or are you being obstinante and argumentative for the sake of
>> being such?
>
> You're catching on. J. Clarke has a very predictable posting pattern.

<plonk>

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(Msg. 40) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:35 pm
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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Turby wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:38:57 -0600, "Keith Schiffner"
>> <schistan.RemoveThis@bresnan.net> wrote:
>>> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:f5top101vqr@news2.newsguy.com...
>>
>>>> What's a fuel gage?
>>>
>>> Obviously you ride an inferior motorcycle.
>>
>> A DL650. He spent the last 20 years as a desk jockey without a bike
>> and bought the Suzuki two months ago.
>>
>>> ... Or are you being obstinante and argumentative for the sake of
>>> being such?
>>
>> You're catching on. J. Clarke has a very predictable posting pattern.
>

But he's right...oh and BTW. Man you are such a damned tool...
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:36 pm
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Bob Mann wrote:

> look through this web site. It should give you an idea what's what.
>
> http://www.gpscity.com/

Or here if you're in Canada...

http://www.gpscentral.ca/
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:58 pm
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On Jun 26, 4:35 pm, James Egan <jegan....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> Can someone tell me what is the least expensive motorcycleGPS
> available? I'm looking for something small with long battery
> life. I saw a Garmin StreetPilot I3 AutoGPSfor $200, but
> it didn't say it was for a motorcycle.
>
> -Thanks

There are many different GPS models to choose from, but the essence of
the matter is to make the installation reliable and useable. To this
end, consider the following basic requirements:

1. No motorcycle-mounted accessories should ever have internal hard
drives. They must be insensitive to vibration.

2. Bikes get wet. Things attached to them get wet. Whatever you buy,
make certain it is waterproof. There are standards that define the
various grades of water-proofness. Garmin's aterproof units are rated
IPX7 - 30 minutes of immersion in up to 1 meter of water.

3. You may want to consider buying a battery-equipped unit so that it
can be used while hiking to the nearest gas station or for other off-
vehicle activities

4. The unit will be used in varying lighting conditions - the screen
must be properly backlighted and also readable in bright sunlight - a
TFT LCD screen with LED backlighting is recommended - older Garmin and
other units (the SP-3, 2610 and such used fluorescent tubes to light
their displays).

5. You do NOT need a full continent load of maps in one go unless you
are riding rallyes. However the limited memory of units like the 19
megs in the GPS-V limit the rider unnecessarily. 128 megs of memory
is generaly enough - proprietary memory (like some Garmin units use)
is NOT a handicap.

6. You want a unit that provides as many POIs (Points Of Interest) as
possible. No, they won;t be cmopletely up to date, but the majority
of restaurants, gas stations and such will be there.

7. Mapping must be update-able - some budget units (and some high end
ones) don't offer adequate rural coverage or frequenct updates.
Having said that, annual updates are not necessary either - they
donm;t build all THAT many new roads each year.

8. Buy from a reputable manufacturerr who is known to provide good
customer support - yuor GPS unit will not be pampered and may well
require repair.

9. Most people don't appreciate the value of a good, large tracklog.
It is an excellent tool for recording your rides and I've personally
used my unit to get out of speeding tickets.

10. Auto routing is a VERY desirable feature - almost all modern units
offer the feature, but the small, handheld units might not.

11. TTS (Text To Speech) is cute, but an almost complete waste of
time.

12. I have an iPod and an XM radio - I do NOT want my navigator
answering my cell phone and playing music - too many devices to keep
updated.

13. MOUNT YOUR UNIT WELL AND GET IT INSURED. DO NOT SPEND $120 FOR A
TOURATEC PIECE OF JUNK. Let the insurance company buy you a new unit
if a determined (or even not-so-determined) thief manages to rip your
unit off.

My personal brand preference is Garmin - I ride with a 276c - the
brightest, largest, highest resolution screen on a bike mountable
unit. Want more feagtures (like XM radio? Go for the 376 - it
includes the XM antenna/radio pod which is extra on all the other
current models. Full mapping? The 378 or 478 are full load - and
they happen to make excellent marine navigators as well.

No, paper maps are NOT de rigeur any longer. Navigators are more up
to date and a reliable enouigh that they can be depended upon. Maps
require that you know where you are in order to use them and I for one
do not intend to arry a sextant and a set of charts to shoot the sun.
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:08 pm
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In article <1182985113.208231.9570.RemoveThis@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Fred True <fredtrue.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> 13. MOUNT YOUR UNIT WELL AND GET IT INSURED. DO NOT SPEND $120 FOR A
> TOURATEC PIECE OF JUNK.

What does this mean? What's wrong with the Touratec mount? Should I use
the Garmin $15 piece of junk handlebar mounts instead? Where should I
mount the GPS ?

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(Msg. 44) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:29 pm
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:40:13 -0500, Mark Olson <olsonm DeleteThis @tiny.invalid>
wrote:

>Turby wrote:
>
>> Also, Reeky is rampant with stories of faulty GPS info. The mechanical
>> voice telling you to go the wrong way on a one-way road, hotels that
>> aren't there, not knowing about hotels that are miles closer than what
>> they want to send you to, etc, etc.
>
>Yep. I was surprised by how many errors my GPS made on the Moab trip.
>In Evanston WY, it said the Voyager motel was about 1/2 mile away from
>where it really was. The laundromat it directed us to, was across the
>road from the GPS's idea of where it should be. US 60 from Worthington
>MN to Sioux City IA was a couple miles away at times, but that was a
>simple case of the new road being at a different location from the old
>road. There were other mistakes and getting the GPS to provide routes
>that matched my riding preference was tricky at times.
>
>However-- with all its faults, the GPS is a fantastically useful tool.
>It's just a good idea not to rely on it overmuch, but as an adjunct to
>other tools, it's well worth the price and bother of fitting one to a
>bike.

Some of the lesser features have proven to be the most valuable to me.
Having time and distance info available while on the road is cool.
Being able to see that big black cloud in the north west sky and after
scanning the gps map knowing the road will bend to the east around the
thunder cell is comforting. Knowing the gps is locked into your
ultimate destination allows me to take that little squiggly line on
the map confident the gps will recalculate my route back to the
original destination once I am done exploring. When in a strange
location being able to call up all of the nearby restaurants so I can
choose where I want to eat adds value. Of course having a reliable
speed indicator should save me a speeding ticket or two, while
maintaining the maximum allowable speed.

I find the main use, routing, to be a pain in the ass. The available
preferences do not enable the auto routing to choose the route I want
to take and when I make a detailed route on the computer and download
it to the gps it will often change. Roads are always being upgraded
and modified making current mapping software and elusive target.

All in all I would not want to travel without one now, but I will be
keeping the paper map within arms reach too.


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(Msg. 45) Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:39 pm
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SNIP

> No, paper maps are NOT de rigeur any longer.

True...to a point. They make route planning much easier. Maps also work day or
night, with or without a battery or plug in. You can always find another map at
a 7Eleven at 3am. 8^)

> Navigators are more up to date and a reliable enouigh that they can be
> depended upon. Maps
> require that you know where you are in order to use them and I for one
> do not intend to arry a sextant and a set of charts to shoot the sun.

True but I can't imagine NOT knowing where I am by looking at a strip map and or
a compleate map. A paper map suggest alternate routes that to a discerning eye
identifies as gravel, dirt, paved, unpaved, improved, unimproved, water
crossings etc. Heck get a good map that 1:50,000 and you see houses and can go
right to them or a church. ;^) Oh and to adress the sextant...oh that would be
cool but I've priced them OUCH. You don't need charts as such...just a good eye
and something certain people don't have SKILL!!!

That wasn't too over the top was it? You know that last sentence...if people
don't know how to execute land navigation find a school.
But I can hear "Oh Keith would you teach us?" sure $2,300 per person for a
30 day course minimum class size is 15 and no bigger than 30. You can be dropped
at any time no refund. Expect to suffer as I am a boring instructor and do not
tolerate sleeping in class. A simple 40 push-ups and a 1mile sprint usually
wakes up students. They will sleep in tents on the groung and work together as a
team preparing meals. 8^)

That's the warm up. I don't like instructing or teaching or whatever you want to
call it. I left that world behind in 2003 and don't desire a return.



--
Keith Schiffner
"I was just out walking my rat and seem to have got lost." J. Bond
Dum vivimus, vivamus
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