When are we going to get a SERIOUS 4-cylinder sportbike?

On Sep 4, 5:20 am, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
> No one has yet built a serious 4-cylinder sportbike for street
> riders. Oh, yeah, there are plenty of serious four-cylinder race
> replicas around. But everyone who builds a 4-cylinder bike you can
> comfortably ride all day on the street does some SERIOUS detuning
> first. Even my beloved Speed Triples were detuned from the Daytona
> on which they were based. Not even my current S4Rs has the full blown
> 999 Superbike tuning (although, it is the closest thing to the "real
> thing" out there now, which is part of the reason that I own it). The
> MV Brutale is detuned, the Honda 919 is a nice, emasculated CB350-
> style bike for the 21st century, and the BMW K1200R weighs a ton.
>
> Where's my nekkid GS1000S with top-line suspension and brakes, and a
> full GSXR1000 engine, with K&N Superbike bars (or BMW R90S or Honda
> CB400F or even 919 handlebars, I'm not picky fer chrissakes!) and no
> freakin' plastic anywhere? I'm going to street ride it, not race it.
> I don't need an aerodynamic 160mph bubble. Oh, and of course the bike
> should weigh somewhere from 5-10 pounds LESS than the GSXR/CBRR/ZXR/
> YZFR that it is based on.
>
> I'll put my money where my mouth is. First motorcycle builder who
> comes out with one that costs LESS than the race replica it springs
> from (after all, no fairing, no windshield, no mounting brackets,
> should save at least a couple of hundred bucks, considering that they
> total a bike out that has that stuff damaged in a low speed lowside
> accident) and has the same engine and suspension performance, I'm all
> over it.

Like Steve said, Suzuki B-King. But your questions are all really
rhetorical now, arent't they? ,-
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On Sep 4, 11:51 am, Bob Nixon wrote:
> On Sep 4, 5:20 am, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > No one has yet built a serious 4-cylinder sportbike for street
> > riders. Oh, yeah, there are plenty of serious four-cylinder race
> > replicas around. But everyone who builds a 4-cylinder bike you can
> > comfortably ride all day on the street does some SERIOUS detuning
> > first. Even my beloved Speed Triples were detuned from the Daytona
> > on which they were based. Not even my current S4Rs has the full blown
> > 999 Superbike tuning (although, it is the closest thing to the "real
> > thing" out there now, which is part of the reason that I own it). The
> > MV Brutale is detuned, the Honda 919 is a nice, emasculated CB350-
> > style bike for the 21st century, and the BMW K1200R weighs a ton.
>
> > Where's my nekkid GS1000S with top-line suspension and brakes, and a
> > full GSXR1000 engine, with K&N Superbike bars (or BMW R90S or Honda
> > CB400F or even 919 handlebars, I'm not picky fer chrissakes!) and no
> > freakin' plastic anywhere? I'm going to street ride it, not race it.
> > I don't need an aerodynamic 160mph bubble. Oh, and of course the bike
> > should weigh somewhere from 5-10 pounds LESS than the GSXR/CBRR/ZXR/
> > YZFR that it is based on.
>
> > I'll put my money where my mouth is. First motorcycle builder who
> > comes out with one that costs LESS than the race replica it springs
> > from (after all, no fairing, no windshield, no mounting brackets,
> > should save at least a couple of hundred bucks, considering that they
> > total a bike out that has that stuff damaged in a low speed lowside
> > accident) and has the same engine and suspension performance, I'm all
> > over it.
>
> Like Steve said, Suzuki B-King. But your questions are all really
> rhetorical now, arent't they? ,-- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Suzuki B-King? What drugs are you guys taking? Even Suzuki's
NOTORIOUSLY lying claimed dry weight for that caricature of a
motorcycle is 518 pounds, 520 pounds for the California model. The
same lie for the GSXR1000 is 379 pounds! Dude. That is 139 pounds of
excess, unneccessary, unwanted, LARD.

So, let me ask again (and no, it's NOT rhetorical; I said "I'll put my
money where my mouth is. First motorcycle builder who comes out with
one that ... I'm all over it"): When are we going to get a SERIOUS 4-
cylinder sportbike?

Why can't the vaunted Japanese build one? Too powerful? Hell, my
Ducati S4Rs has TWICE the horsepower that my 1980 Honda CB750F "Super
Sport" had, and it weighs 150 ponds LESS than that bike did.

No more silly race replicas, except for a couple thousand or so w/o
lights, horns, stands, mirrors, and reflectors for club racers. Build
us a real world sport bike. Come on, build the bike. You might be
surprised!
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tomorrow.RemoveThis@erols.com wrote:
> No one has yet built a serious 4-cylinder sportbike for street
> riders. Oh, yeah, there are plenty of serious four-cylinder race
> replicas around. But everyone who builds a 4-cylinder bike you can
> comfortably ride all day on the street does some SERIOUS detuning
> first. Even my beloved Speed Triples were detuned from the Daytona
> on which they were based. Not even my current S4Rs has the full blown
> 999 Superbike tuning (although, it is the closest thing to the "real
> thing" out there now, which is part of the reason that I own it). The
> MV Brutale is detuned, the Honda 919 is a nice, emasculated CB350-
> style bike for the 21st century, and the BMW K1200R weighs a ton.
>
> Where's my nekkid GS1000S with top-line suspension and brakes, and a
> full GSXR1000 engine, with K&N Superbike bars (or BMW R90S or Honda
> CB400F or even 919 handlebars, I'm not picky fer chrissakes!) and no
> freakin' plastic anywhere? I'm going to street ride it, not race it.
> I don't need an aerodynamic 160mph bubble. Oh, and of course the bike
> should weigh somewhere from 5-10 pounds LESS than the GSXR/CBRR/ZXR/
> YZFR that it is based on.
>
> I'll put my money where my mouth is. First motorcycle builder who
> comes out with one that costs LESS than the race replica it springs
> from (after all, no fairing, no windshield, no mounting brackets,
> should save at least a couple of hundred bucks, considering that they
> total a bike out that has that stuff damaged in a low speed lowside
> accident) and has the same engine and suspension performance, I'm all
> over it.
>

Does the Z1000 qualify?
It's based on the ZX9 motor, but I think it has actually been upgraded
several iterations.

--

Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple
71 Kawi H1
05 Infant
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On Sep 4, 2:24 pm, Vaughn wrote:
> Dude. You are dead on point, from my perspective as well!
>
> I've had the exact same thoughts. And I concluded that the only way
> to get today's best technology is to buy a used (or even salvage) pure
> sportbike and mod it for the street. I ended up with a lovely Triumph
> 675 daytona that had a demolished front end - and I made into a nice
> streetfighter S version with just the cockpit fairing (no sidepanels),
> but I still have to get the handlebars figured out. Cyclecat makes a
> pair, but their on back order for another month. Since I've got a big
> ST bike for the real LD rides and two-up, the lil 675 "Spitfire" meets
> my needs for street sport riding very nicely.
>
> Here's the other bikes I considered:
> FZ-1 ('07 and up are quite nice)
> Bandit 1250 (tons o torque, but too heavy and steel framed)
> '07 Honda Hornet 600 (only available in Europe... but dang nice 600RR
> motor in there)
> '07 Triumph Street Triple (coming mid-september, just barely detuned,
> but slightly reduced 2-pot front brakes)
>
> And while all those are slightly "de-tuned for torque," they also
> offer better insurance premiums, and can be remapped independently.
>
> But if you want the real McCoy, my advice to you, is start watching
> ebay motors and craigslist for a late model sportbike with the
> genetics you want.
>
> If you want more than a street sized supersport, maybe the '06 and up
> Honda CBR1000RR. Just plan to upgrade the seat and rear shock,
> respring the forks, and put some helibars on it.
>
> I'd also seriously consider an '07 R1 (fly by wire, baby!)
>
> The newer litre bikes usually go for about 4-5 grand after a modest
> crash. But inspect the bikes before you put the cash on the barrel
> head! May want to find a big salvage dealer in your area and walk
> through their warehouse once a week or so. There's at least on big
> salvage dealer in every region. (DeWitt, Iowa, is where I found my
> 675.)
>
> The salvage yards are chock full of really nice sportbikes that squids
> lowside, and insurance salvages. The plastic will usually be rumpled
> (which if fine for a streetbike), and then you'll have to make some
> mods to adapt it, but you can still get in on the latest tech for
> about 6-7grand after mods.

I've built a Ducati 750SS roadster (no fairing, Monster triple clamps
and headlamp, K&N Superbike bars) and I'm in the process of rebuilding
a Ducati 916 flat-track replica (wire wheels, no fairing, Flanders
flat track handlebars, etc.) I have a Ducati S4Rs testatretta monster
with the full Termi system for blasting around town.

I'll buy a nekkid CBR1000RR in a heartbeat, but I'm *not* going to
build one. I'm too tired!!!!

Thanks for the kind words, though, and your modern Spitfire
sounds like it flat rocks!

Tim
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On Sep 4, 3:32 pm, Inlaw Biker wrote:

> I think you mean, why don't they sell these? You're right they really
> should.http://www.2wf.com/content/view/32/28/

That is PERZACTLY the bike I'm talking about. Honda could make that
thing and sell it for $9,999.00 and make money on it. I'd buy one in
a HEARTBEAT, four cylinder engine notwithstanding.

(Oh, but they ought to paint it to look like the black and orange
CB900F of 1981/82. http://www.cksmith.net/pic/motorcycle/cb/cb900f.jpg
Then they'd have me, hook, line, and STINKER!)
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:32:56 -0500, Steve Mackay
wrote:

>tomorrow@erols.com wrote:
>> No one has yet built a serious 4-cylinder sportbike for street
>> riders. Oh, yeah, there are plenty of serious four-cylinder race
>> replicas around. But everyone who builds a 4-cylinder bike you can
>> comfortably ride all day on the street does some SERIOUS detuning
>> first. Even my beloved Speed Triples were detuned from the Daytona
>> on which they were based. Not even my current S4Rs has the full blown
>> 999 Superbike tuning (although, it is the closest thing to the "real
>> thing" out there now, which is part of the reason that I own it). The
>> MV Brutale is detuned, the Honda 919 is a nice, emasculated CB350-
>> style bike for the 21st century, and the BMW K1200R weighs a ton.
>>
>> Where's my nekkid GS1000S with top-line suspension and brakes, and a
>> full GSXR1000 engine, with K&N Superbike bars (or BMW R90S or Honda
>> CB400F or even 919 handlebars, I'm not picky fer chrissakes!) and no
>> freakin' plastic anywhere? I'm going to street ride it, not race it.
>> I don't need an aerodynamic 160mph bubble. Oh, and of course the bike
>> should weigh somewhere from 5-10 pounds LESS than the GSXR/CBRR/ZXR/
>> YZFR that it is based on.
>>
>> I'll put my money where my mouth is. First motorcycle builder who
>> comes out with one that costs LESS than the race replica it springs
>> from (after all, no fairing, no windshield, no mounting brackets,
>> should save at least a couple of hundred bucks, considering that they
>> total a bike out that has that stuff damaged in a low speed lowside
>> accident) and has the same engine and suspension performance, I'm all
>> over it.
>>
>
>Suzuki B-king?
>
>Not a 4 cyl, but I'd bet that Buell will have a naked version of the
>1125R in the next 6-12 months.


That would be nice. As practical as the front fairing is when it
comes to being slippery it is on the ugly side. Love the tail section
though. That would be one bad street fighter. It would eat the Speed
triple for lunch. You have any idea what the valve adjustment
intervals are on this new Buell?
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Dude. You are dead on point, from my perspective as well!

I've had the exact same thoughts. And I concluded that the only way
to get today's best technology is to buy a used (or even salvage) pure
sportbike and mod it for the street. I ended up with a lovely Triumph
675 daytona that had a demolished front end - and I made into a nice
streetfighter S version with just the cockpit fairing (no sidepanels),
but I still have to get the handlebars figured out. Cyclecat makes a
pair, but their on back order for another month. Since I've got a big
ST bike for the real LD rides and two-up, the lil 675 "Spitfire" meets
my needs for street sport riding very nicely.

Here's the other bikes I considered:
FZ-1 ('07 and up are quite nice)
Bandit 1250 (tons o torque, but too heavy and steel framed)
'07 Honda Hornet 600 (only available in Europe... but dang nice 600RR
motor in there)
'07 Triumph Street Triple (coming mid-september, just barely detuned,
but slightly reduced 2-pot front brakes)

And while all those are slightly "de-tuned for torque," they also
offer better insurance premiums, and can be remapped independently.

But if you want the real McCoy, my advice to you, is start watching
ebay motors and craigslist for a late model sportbike with the
genetics you want.

If you want more than a street sized supersport, maybe the '06 and up
Honda CBR1000RR. Just plan to upgrade the seat and rear shock,
respring the forks, and put some helibars on it.

I'd also seriously consider an '07 R1 (fly by wire, baby!)

The newer litre bikes usually go for about 4-5 grand after a modest
crash. But inspect the bikes before you put the cash on the barrel
head! May want to find a big salvage dealer in your area and walk
through their warehouse once a week or so. There's at least on big
salvage dealer in every region. (DeWitt, Iowa, is where I found my
675.)

The salvage yards are chock full of really nice sportbikes that squids
lowside, and insurance salvages. The plastic will usually be rumpled
(which if fine for a streetbike), and then you'll have to make some
mods to adapt it, but you can still get in on the latest tech for
about 6-7grand after mods.
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On Sep 4, 9:58 am, Andrew wrote:
> tomor....DeleteThis@erols.com wrote:
> > No one has yet built a serious 4-cylinder sportbike for street
> > riders. Oh, yeah, there are plenty of serious four-cylinder race
> > replicas around. But everyone who builds a 4-cylinder bike you can
> > comfortably ride all day on the street does some SERIOUS detuning
> > first. Even my beloved Speed Triples were detuned from the Daytona
> > on which they were based. Not even my current S4Rs has the full blown
> > 999 Superbike tuning (although, it is the closest thing to the "real
> > thing" out there now, which is part of the reason that I own it). The
> > MV Brutale is detuned, the Honda 919 is a nice, emasculated CB350-
> > style bike for the 21st century, and the BMW K1200R weighs a ton.
>
> > Where's my nekkid GS1000S with top-line suspension and brakes, and a
> > full GSXR1000 engine, with K&N Superbike bars (or BMW R90S or Honda
> > CB400F or even 919 handlebars, I'm not picky fer chrissakes!) and no
> > freakin' plastic anywhere? I'm going to street ride it, not race it.
> > I don't need an aerodynamic 160mph bubble. Oh, and of course the bike
> > should weigh somewhere from 5-10 pounds LESS than the GSXR/CBRR/ZXR/
> > YZFR that it is based on.
>
> > I'll put my money where my mouth is. First motorcycle builder who
> > comes out with one that costs LESS than the race replica it springs
> > from (after all, no fairing, no windshield, no mounting brackets,
> > should save at least a couple of hundred bucks, considering that they
> > total a bike out that has that stuff damaged in a low speed lowside
> > accident) and has the same engine and suspension performance, I'm all
> > over it.
>
> Does the Z1000 qualify?
> It's based on the ZX9 motor, but I think it has actually been upgraded
> several iterations.
>
> Andrew

Yeah I would think so, or the FZ1. Europe gets the naked version of
the CBR 1000RR, I think they call it a CBF1000.

The Z1000 & FZ1 are plenty powerful, and you can put full race
suspension and tune the motor if you really want to. But I don't see
why it'd be necessary.

I think you mean, why don't they sell these? You're right they really
should.
http://www.2wf.com/content/view/32/28/
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On Sep 4, 3:34 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
> On Sep 4, 3:32 pm, Inlaw Biker wrote:
>
> > I think you mean, why don't they sell these? You're right they really
> > should.http://www.2wf.com/content/view/32/28/
>
> That is PERZACTLY the bike I'm talking about. Honda could make that
> thing and sell it for $9,999.00 and make money on it. I'd buy one in
> a HEARTBEAT, four cylinder engine notwithstanding.
>
> (Oh, but they ought to paint it to look like the black and orange
> CB900F of 1981/82. http://www.cksmith.net/pic/motorcycle/cb/cb900f.jpg
> Then they'd have me, hook, line, and STINKER!)

OMG - that is a really clean mod out on the CBR Streetfighter. I am
impressed. The rewiring really made the difference on it, too.

That would be such a better bike for honda to sell than the 919.
Nobody really wants a streetfighter that will get its arse whooped by
the majority of the other bikes out there.

The other slightly smaller version I'm fond of is the 07 Hornet 600.
New CBR motor, goofy looking exhaust bubble underneath, neo headlight,
but actually a pretty flickable lil street bike. I was goo-goo for it
a while back and posted bunch of stuff here:
http://11109.rapidforum.com/topic=103273922961

But of course, they don't sell it stateside....
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On Sep 4, 8:20 am, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
> No one has yet built a serious 4-cylinder sportbike for street
> riders. Oh, yeah, there are plenty of serious four-cylinder race
> replicas around. But everyone who builds a 4-cylinder bike you can
> comfortably ride all day on the street does some SERIOUS detuning
> first. Even my beloved Speed Triples were detuned from the Daytona
> on which they were based. Not even my current S4Rs has the full blown
> 999 Superbike tuning (although, it is the closest thing to the "real
> thing" out there now, which is part of the reason that I own it). The
> MV Brutale is detuned, the Honda 919 is a nice, emasculated CB350-
> style bike for the 21st century, and the BMW K1200R weighs a ton.
>
> Where's my nekkid GS1000S with top-line suspension and brakes, and a
> full GSXR1000 engine, with K&N Superbike bars (or BMW R90S or Honda
> CB400F or even 919 handlebars, I'm not picky fer chrissakes!) and no
> freakin' plastic anywhere? I'm going to street ride it, not race it.
> I don't need an aerodynamic 160mph bubble. Oh, and of course the bike
> should weigh somewhere from 5-10 pounds LESS than the GSXR/CBRR/ZXR/
> YZFR that it is based on.
>
> I'll put my money where my mouth is. First motorcycle builder who
> comes out with one that costs LESS than the race replica it springs
> from (after all, no fairing, no windshield, no mounting brackets,
> should save at least a couple of hundred bucks, considering that they
> total a bike out that has that stuff damaged in a low speed lowside
> accident) and has the same engine and suspension performance, I'm all
> over it.

Why not do it yourself? Buy a sportbike, sell the bodywork, swap out
the bars and I think you'll have just what you're asking, plus some
cash in your pocket. Stunters seem to be doing it quite often now.
Here's an F3 I used to have on the street: http://tinyurl.com/3dygcy
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On Sep 7, 4:25 pm, Alexey wrote:
> On Sep 4, 8:20 am, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > No one has yet built a serious 4-cylinder sportbike for street
> > riders. Oh, yeah, there are plenty of serious four-cylinder race
> > replicas around. But everyone who builds a 4-cylinder bike you can
> > comfortably ride all day on the street does some SERIOUS detuning
> > first. Even my beloved Speed Triples were detuned from the Daytona
> > on which they were based. Not even my current S4Rs has the full blown
> > 999 Superbike tuning (although, it is the closest thing to the "real
> > thing" out there now, which is part of the reason that I own it). The
> > MV Brutale is detuned, the Honda 919 is a nice, emasculated CB350-
> > style bike for the 21st century, and the BMW K1200R weighs a ton.
>
> > Where's my nekkid GS1000S with top-line suspension and brakes, and a
> > full GSXR1000 engine, with K&N Superbike bars (or BMW R90S or Honda
> > CB400F or even 919 handlebars, I'm not picky fer chrissakes!) and no
> > freakin' plastic anywhere? I'm going to street ride it, not race it.
> > I don't need an aerodynamic 160mph bubble. Oh, and of course the bike
> > should weigh somewhere from 5-10 pounds LESS than the GSXR/CBRR/ZXR/
> > YZFR that it is based on.
>
> > I'll put my money where my mouth is. First motorcycle builder who
> > comes out with one that costs LESS than the race replica it springs
> > from (after all, no fairing, no windshield, no mounting brackets,
> > should save at least a couple of hundred bucks, considering that they
> > total a bike out that has that stuff damaged in a low speed lowside
> > accident) and has the same engine and suspension performance, I'm all
> > over it.
>
> Why not do it yourself?

I have, twice. I'm tired of having to build my own bikes. If the
japanese manufacturers won't build what I want, they won't get my
money.
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On Sep 7, 2:44 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
> On Sep 7, 4:25 pm, Alexey wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 4, 8:20 am, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
>
> > > No one has yet built a serious 4-cylinder sportbike for street
> > > riders. Oh, yeah, there are plenty of serious four-cylinder race
> > > replicas around. But everyone who builds a 4-cylinder bike you can
> > > comfortably ride all day on the street does some SERIOUS detuning
> > > first. Even my beloved Speed Triples were detuned from the Daytona
> > > on which they were based. Not even my current S4Rs has the full blown
> > > 999 Superbike tuning (although, it is the closest thing to the "real
> > > thing" out there now, which is part of the reason that I own it). The
> > > MV Brutale is detuned, the Honda 919 is a nice, emasculated CB350-
> > > style bike for the 21st century, and the BMW K1200R weighs a ton.
>
> > > Where's my nekkid GS1000S with top-line suspension and brakes, and a
> > > full GSXR1000 engine, with K&N Superbike bars (or BMW R90S or Honda
> > > CB400F or even 919 handlebars, I'm not picky fer chrissakes!) and no
> > > freakin' plastic anywhere? I'm going to street ride it, not race it.
> > > I don't need an aerodynamic 160mph bubble. Oh, and of course the bike
> > > should weigh somewhere from 5-10 pounds LESS than the GSXR/CBRR/ZXR/
> > > YZFR that it is based on.
>
> > > I'll put my money where my mouth is. First motorcycle builder who
> > > comes out with one that costs LESS than the race replica it springs
> > > from (after all, no fairing, no windshield, no mounting brackets,
> > > should save at least a couple of hundred bucks, considering that they
> > > total a bike out that has that stuff damaged in a low speed lowside
> > > accident) and has the same engine and suspension performance, I'm all
> > > over it.
>
> > Why not do it yourself?
>
> I have, twice. I'm tired of having to build my own bikes. If the
> japanese manufacturers won't build what I want, they won't get my
> money.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

To be fair Tim, H-D didn't exactly build the bike you wanted either.
I think you upgraded every major component from brakes to engine.

But I do agree, a nice high end component based naked bike would be
nice. Although I'm not sure it needs to be 140hp.
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On Sep 7, 5:24 pm, BryanUT wrote:
> On Sep 7, 2:44 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 4:25 pm, Alexey wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 4, 8:20 am, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
>
> > > > No one has yet built a serious 4-cylinder sportbike for street
> > > > riders. Oh, yeah, there are plenty of serious four-cylinder race
> > > > replicas around. But everyone who builds a 4-cylinder bike you can
> > > > comfortably ride all day on the street does some SERIOUS detuning
> > > > first. Even my beloved Speed Triples were detuned from the Daytona
> > > > on which they were based. Not even my current S4Rs has the full blown
> > > > 999 Superbike tuning (although, it is the closest thing to the "real
> > > > thing" out there now, which is part of the reason that I own it). The
> > > > MV Brutale is detuned, the Honda 919 is a nice, emasculated CB350-
> > > > style bike for the 21st century, and the BMW K1200R weighs a ton.
>
> > > > Where's my nekkid GS1000S with top-line suspension and brakes, and a
> > > > full GSXR1000 engine, with K&N Superbike bars (or BMW R90S or Honda
> > > > CB400F or even 919 handlebars, I'm not picky fer chrissakes!) and no
> > > > freakin' plastic anywhere? I'm going to street ride it, not race it.
> > > > I don't need an aerodynamic 160mph bubble. Oh, and of course the bike
> > > > should weigh somewhere from 5-10 pounds LESS than the GSXR/CBRR/ZXR/
> > > > YZFR that it is based on.
>
> > > > I'll put my money where my mouth is. First motorcycle builder who
> > > > comes out with one that costs LESS than the race replica it springs
> > > > from (after all, no fairing, no windshield, no mounting brackets,
> > > > should save at least a couple of hundred bucks, considering that they
> > > > total a bike out that has that stuff damaged in a low speed lowside
> > > > accident) and has the same engine and suspension performance, I'm all
> > > > over it.
>
> > > Why not do it yourself?
>
> > I have, twice. I'm tired of having to build my own bikes. If the
> > japanese manufacturers won't build what I want, they won't get my
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> To be fair Tim, H-D didn't exactly build the bike you wanted either.
> I think you upgraded every major component from brakes to engine.

Yeah, but they *do* build it. It's called the CVO SE110 Electra Glide
Ultra Classic.

> But I do agree, a nice high end component based naked bike would be
> nice. Although I'm not sure it needs to be 140hp.

Yeah, I've got 130hp in my Monster and that seems perfectly adequate.
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