So is it a car, or a bike?

Keelworm wrote:
 > Stuck in the most gawd awful traffic on the A13 last night, decided
to nip
 > over the woolwich ferry to greenwich. When we drove onto the ferry,
parked
 > beside us was one of these...
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.f2motorcycles.ltd.uk/roadlegalbuggies.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.f2motorcycles.ltd.uk/roadlegalbuggies.html</font</a>>

Race ya:
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And as these float you wouldn't need that ferry either...


To answer your question I'd say it's a car. 4 wheels, steering wheel,
bucket seat - what else could it be? At least with a quad you've got
handlebars and you sit astride it like a bike.

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Ace spoke:
  > >Got out and had a chat to the guy, and as it turns out, the thing came under
  > >the definition of a road legal quad bike, and hence was taxed as a
  > >motorcycle, and had no requirement for congestion charge etc.
 >
 > Funny then that the site says "Notes about the road legal buggies: You
 > will need a full car licence". Not sure quite how that squares with
 > them being taxed as motorcycles.

Yet it also states that you must wear a crash helmet !

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rb wrote:

 >
 > Keelworm wrote:
  >> Stuck in the most gawd awful traffic on the A13 last night, decided
 > to nip
  >> over the woolwich ferry to greenwich. When we drove onto the ferry,
 > parked
  >> beside us was one of these...
  >>
<font color=green>  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.f2motorcycles.ltd.uk/roadlegalbuggies.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.f2motorcycles.ltd.uk/roadlegalbuggies.html</font</a>>
 >
 > Race ya:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.supacat.com/cat%20page.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.supacat.com/cat%20page.htm</font</a>>
 >
 > And as these float you wouldn't need that ferry either...
 >
 >
 > To answer your question I'd say it's a car. 4 wheels, steering wheel,
 > bucket seat - what else could it be? At least with a quad you've got
 > handlebars and you sit astride it like a bike.
 >

Now that would be an interesting commute... drop into the thames at Barrier
Park, pootle up the river and drive out again at Westminster, leave half a
doesen tyre tracks over a politition or twelve, then on to work, leaving it
'Mored' on the boating lake in Regents Park... <fx: the penny droppeth>
Foolproof.

My daydream sessions often include thinking of novel ways to commute in and
out of work [1], the last-one I ruled out was a motor-paraglider since I
figured aviation security over London might be a bit dicey since 9-11, and
I don't fancy getting shot at on my way to work.

PG


[1] Novel Ways to get from Stratford (East London)->Baker Street(W1)
avoiding... traffic jams, congestion charging, parking charges and Suicide
Alley [2]

[2] Anyone else noticed that the number and concentration of steel manhole
covers around Bank station has got to the proportion that you're hard
pushed NOT to ride over them in places... slippery when wet is an
understatement.

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Rope wrote:

 > Ace spoke:
   >> >Got out and had a chat to the guy, and as it turns out, the thing came
   >> >under the definition of a road legal quad bike, and hence was taxed as a
   >> >motorcycle, and had no requirement for congestion charge etc.
  >>
  >> Funny then that the site says "Notes about the road legal buggies: You
  >> will need a full car licence". Not sure quite how that squares with
  >> them being taxed as motorcycles.
 >
 > Yet it also states that you must wear a crash helmet !
 >

Dunno... but the guy I saw, was not wearing a crash helmet, although he was
wearing a pair of alpine star gloves... Go figure?

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Keelworm <bike.RemoveThis@YOURTITSgoldingweb.co.uk> somehow managed to post:

 >Rope wrote:
 >
  >> Ace spoke:
   >>> >Got out and had a chat to the guy, and as it turns out, the thing came
   >>> >under the definition of a road legal quad bike, and hence was taxed as a
   >>> >motorcycle, and had no requirement for congestion charge etc.
   >>>
   >>> Funny then that the site says "Notes about the road legal buggies: You
   >>> will need a full car licence". Not sure quite how that squares with
   >>> them being taxed as motorcycles.
  >>
  >> Yet it also states that you must wear a crash helmet !
  >>
 >Dunno... but the guy I saw, was not wearing a crash helmet, although he was
 >wearing a pair of alpine star gloves... Go figure?

I bet he looked like a cock.

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Redban sed:

 >To answer your question I'd say it's a car. 4 wheels, >steering
wheel,bucket seat - what else could it be?

I think wether or not its got a reverse gear driven by the engine's the
defining criterion ......
That's they key question for sorting out licencing on 3wheelers - IMBW

WIngs and such like get round the reverse bit by powering the gear off the
battery not the engine. (I think).


 > At >least with a quad you've got handlebars and you sit >astride it like
a bike.

Which to me is closer to what matters. You can at least jump off a quad,
same as a bike.

A bike's safe in town to the extent its small agile and quick - so you can
get out of the way. A powerful quad is maybe mostly edging this way too.

A cage is fairly safe cos its armoured enough to protect you.

That contraption doesn't seem to be any of these things and I'd not put
money on the SMIDSY brigade knowing one of the things was about even after
they hit it never mind before.


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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:49:56 +0100, HooDooWitch
<hoodoowitch.REM RemoveThis @OVE.hindcottage.co.uk> wrote:

 >I bet he looked like a cock.

So has the product of yours arrived yet?

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Lady Nina <spam.trap2 RemoveThis @ntlworld.com> somehow managed to post:

 >On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:49:56 +0100, HooDooWitch
 ><hoodoowitch.REM RemoveThis @OVE.hindcottage.co.uk> wrote:
 >
  >>I bet he looked like a cock.
 >
 >So has the product of yours arrived yet?

Ho yuss ... "He does cute quite well"
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 >NP Foo Fighters - All my life.

What station?

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HooDooWitch wrote:

 > Keelworm <bike.TakeThisOut@YOURTITSgoldingweb.co.uk> somehow managed to post:
 >
  >>Rope wrote:
  >>
   >>> Ace spoke:
   >>>> >Got out and had a chat to the guy, and as it turns out, the thing came
   >>>> >under the definition of a road legal quad bike, and hence was taxed as
   >>>> >a motorcycle, and had no requirement for congestion charge etc.
   >>>>
   >>>> Funny then that the site says "Notes about the road legal buggies: You
   >>>> will need a full car licence". Not sure quite how that squares with
   >>>> them being taxed as motorcycles.
   >>>
   >>> Yet it also states that you must wear a crash helmet !
   >>>
  >>Dunno... but the guy I saw, was not wearing a crash helmet, although he
  >>was wearing a pair of alpine star gloves... Go figure?
 >
 > I bet he looked like a cock.
 >

Each to there own and all that, but he did look pretty terified when the HGV
behind him started to inch forward as the ferry gate came down.

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Keelworm wrote:

 > Stuck in the most gawd awful traffic on the A13 last night, decided
 > to nip over the woolwich ferry to greenwich. When we drove onto the
 > ferry, parked beside us was one of these...
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.f2motorcycles.ltd.uk/roadlegalbuggies.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.f2motorcycles.ltd.uk/roadlegalbuggies.html</font</a>>
 >
 > Got out and had a chat to the guy, and as it turns out, the thing
 > came under the definition of a road legal quad bike, and hence was
 > taxed as a motorcycle, and had no requirement for congestion charge
 > etc. It had a number plate at the rear, and a very revvy little
 > 125cc engine, full lights and a digital speedo mounted on the speedo.
 > It got me thinking, would this thing be able to use a bike bay, as I
 > for one would be a bit miffed at finding one of these taking up three
 > bikes worth of space when I park up.

The last bike bay I saw had "Solo Motorcycles" painted on the road next
to it. The use of the word solo is rather pointed and suggests there
may have been wrangles elsewhere over a vehicle which is "technically"
a motorcycle parking in a bike bay.

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Abso <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote:

 > The last bike bay I saw had "Solo Motorcycles" painted on the road next
 > to it. The use of the word solo is rather pointed and suggests there
 > may have been wrangles elsewhere over a vehicle which is "technically"
 > a motorcycle parking in a bike bay.

It mainly applies to sidecar combos, which may park in an ordinary
motorcycles bay, but not one with "solo" marked on it.



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"Abso" <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message
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 > Keelworm wrote:
<snip>
 >
 > The last bike bay I saw had "Solo Motorcycles" painted on the road next
 > to it. The use of the word solo is rather pointed and suggests there
 > may have been wrangles elsewhere over a vehicle which is "technically"
 > a motorcycle parking in a bike bay.

It pointedly refers to sidecars. Or even Wings with trailers.
Which could/would get towed from the solo bike bays in Shrewsbury.

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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:59:28 -0400, "Nidge"
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 >I think wether or not its got a reverse gear driven by the engine's the
 >defining criterion ......
 >That's they key question for sorting out licencing on 3wheelers - IMBW


that law charged years ago mate, the old trick of blanking the R gear
on a plastic pig remember,
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