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Geoff Lane

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:48 pm
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I appreciate this is a very general question and depends on mode of use
but roughly how long would a clutch on an XJ600 be expected to last.

I've owned my own since new, it's done 30,000 miles and over the last
couple of days gear selection has become quite difficult.

No obvious slipping but I can change without the clutch OK, selection
whilst stationary difficult.

Geoff Lane
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:48 pm
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Geoff Lane wrote:
> I appreciate this is a very general question and depends on mode of
> use but roughly how long would a clutch on an XJ600 be expected to
> last.
> I've owned my own since new, it's done 30,000 miles and over the last
> couple of days gear selection has become quite difficult.
>
> No obvious slipping but I can change without the clutch OK, selection
> whilst stationary difficult.

Not sure what kind of clutch control is on that model, but clutch cables can
stretch and slave cylinders can leak. If you're having difficulty shifting
while not moving, it's a LOT more likely that your clutch isn't disengaging,
and thus needs adjusted (or maintained).

When a clutch is worn out, the usual symptom is that it quits holding in the
higher gears. That is, you can rev the engine higher without the bike's
going any faster. You'll notice it first in your highst gear, then the next
one down, and when it gets really bad, you'll notice it slipping even in
first gear.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:08 pm
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Geoff Lane wrote:
> I appreciate this is a very general question and depends on mode of use
> but roughly how long would a clutch on an XJ600 be expected to last.
>
> I've owned my own since new, it's done 30,000 miles and over the last
> couple of days gear selection has become quite difficult.
>
> No obvious slipping but I can change without the clutch OK, selection
> whilst stationary difficult.
>
> Geoff Lane
> London UK

Hit the forums over here, great bunch, very helpful


http://www.xjbikes.com/
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:36 pm
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EffJay R. Yamaha wrote:

>> I appreciate this is a very general question and depends on mode of
>> use but roughly how long would a clutch on an XJ600 be expected to
>> last.

> When a clutch is worn out, the usual symptom is that it quits holding in the
> higher gears. That is, you can rev the engine higher without the bike's
> going any faster. You'll notice it first in your highst gear, then the next
> one down, and when it gets really bad, you'll notice it slipping even in
> first gear.

Which is how I recall it in a car.

I doubt it is the cable, I still have adjustment on it and the lever on
the clutch casing moves OK.

There appears to be a wee bit of drag, initially with the clutch lever
pulled fully in the back wheel will stop spinning but when I let the
lever out the take up is very sudden.

I think I will have to dismantle and view the components, never done a
bike before but have done a few cars so will figure it somehow.

Geoff Lane
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:39 pm
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Steve Burgess wrote:
> Geoff Lane wrote:
>> I appreciate this is a very general question and depends on mode of
>> use but roughly how long would a clutch on an XJ600 be expected to last.
>
> Hit the forums over here, great bunch, very helpful
>
>
> http://www.xjbikes.com/

Thanks, I'll give it a view.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:37 pm
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:55 pm
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someone.TakeThisOut@some.domain wrote:

>> There appears to be a wee bit of drag, initially with the clutch lever
>> pulled fully in the back wheel will stop spinning but when I let the
>> lever out the take up is very sudden.
>>
>> I think I will have to dismantle and view the components, never done a
>> bike before but have done a few cars so will figure it somehow.
>>
>> Geoff Lane
>>
> really sounds like adjustment. check your manual.

Dismantled the cable, lubed it well and refitted, no better.

The back wheel spins reasonably well in neutral but when I put it on the
stand in gear and use the clutch the take up is very snatchy.

Thanks for advice, I think it's going to be a dismantle and examine job.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:03 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:52 pm
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>> Thanks for advice, I think it's going to be a dismantle and examine job.
>>
>> Geoff Lane
>>
> did you adjust it on the lever? moving the little wheel
> makes the cable longer or shorter. that is the primary and
> most important adjustment and the one that goes out most.
> it's often that simple.

Yes, still no luck.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:47 pm
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:00 am
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>>> did you adjust it on the lever? moving the little wheel
>>> makes the cable longer or shorter. that is the primary and
>>> most important adjustment and the one that goes out most.
>>> it's often that simple.
>>
>> Yes, still no luck.
>>
> perhaps it's time to look at the plates.

Or maybe time to check the oil can labels, and see if it has "friction
modifiers" in it?
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:52 pm
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EffJay R. Yamaha wrote:
> someone RemoveThis @some.domain wrote:
>>>> did you adjust it on the lever? moving the little wheel
>>>> makes the cable longer or shorter. that is the primary and
>>>> most important adjustment and the one that goes out most.
>>>> it's often that simple.
>>> Yes, still no luck.
>>>
>> perhaps it's time to look at the plates.
>
> Or maybe time to check the oil can labels, and see if it has "friction
> modifiers" in it?

No, I use Rock oil which is proper bike oil and have been using it since
the bike was new.

I'll investigate the plates this weekend.

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:03 am
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:42 pm
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someone RemoveThis @some.domain wrote:

>> I'll investigate the plates this weekend.
>>
>> Geoff Lane
> let us know, it's curious.

Will do.

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:30 pm
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>>>> perhaps it's time to look at the plates.

>> I'll investigate the plates this weekend.

> let us know, it's curious.

It was a totally collapsed thrust bearing.

The needle bearings had all come adrift and the bearing housing had
collapsed.

Lot of moisture gunge inside the clutch housing but oil OK and pump
working so lubrication seemed OK.

All swarf thoroughly cleaned out and bearing replaced and now going OK.

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