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Phil Scott1

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 4:01 am
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I put my engineering resume out to 2,500 contract shops a month ago to test
the market... in 1999 that produced about 50 enquiries and several job
offers. .... I have not gotten a single phone call in 30 days. The govt
is talking the economy up... the fed is printing money so banks can float
ultra low interest loans...so housing in still booming. But the
understructure of this US economy is vaporizing.

My advice. Brace yourself. Count on nothing. Gain diverse skills, get
rid of liabilities. Thats viable advice regardless.

Phil Scott


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US MACHINE-TOOL SECTOR COLLAPSE SIGNS ECONOMIC DEBACLE

Posted By: Rosalinda
Date: Sunday, 23 November 2003, 1:16 p.m.

[source: Walmart Street Journal A1, Timothy Aeppel, Nov. 21]

"WALMART" STREET JOURNAL FRONT-PAGE ARTICLE HIGHLIGHTS DECIMATION OF U.S.
MACHINE TOOL SECTOR, at the heart of the nation's once-mighty industrial
economy.

The National Tooling and Machining Association estimates
that 30% of U.S. tool-and-die shops have shut down in just the past three
years, and expects many more to close in the next few years.

Manufacturers' orders for machine tools have plummeted 63% during 1997-
2002; and in the first nine months of 2003, have fallen 16%
from the level in the same period last year.

Machine tool makers produce the metal-cutting and -forming machines
(such as dies and molds), used by manufacturers to make everything from
televisions to cups, from car doors to surgical devices.

The collapse of the machine tool sector, the Wall Street rag warns,
also endangers national security.

Unmanned drones and body armor for troops in Iraq,
consist of composite materials made using special molds
and advanced machine tools.

Ingersoll, which recently declared bankruptcy, was one of only two U.S.
companies that made tools needed to produce components of stealth
aircraft.

As an example of the destruction, the Journal cites the case of Ernst
Buchmayer, the head of Western Industrial Tooling in Redmond, Washington
state, who is depleting personal savings in order to keep his machine
shop operating.

He has already slashed more than 50% of his workforce, from 55 workers to
25. Sales have plunged 70% from their peak in the 1990s
to just over $3 million in 2002, when the company lost $500,000.

The plunge in machine tool orders reflects factory bankruptcies
and manufacturers' moving of production to countries such as China,
under the paradigm down-shift to a predatory consumer society
dependent on cheap labor overseas.

Manufacturers are demanding low-cost machine tools,
some under pressure from Wal-Mart.

As a result, some U.S. toolmakers, Buchmayer notes, are
forming joint ventures with companies in China. Buchmayer's
newest company client, has outsourced manufacturing to Singapore.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 1:06 pm
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:01:16 -0800, "Phil Scott" <philscott.RemoveThis@philscott.net> wrote:


 > My advice. Brace yourself. Count on nothing. Gain diverse skills, get
 > rid of liabilities. Thats viable advice regardless.

.... you mean, you're JUST NOW getting it?
..
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"mjt" <mjtobler.RemoveThis@removethis_consultant.com> wrote in message
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 > On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:01:16 -0800, "Phil Scott"
<philscott.RemoveThis@philscott.net> wrote:
 >
 >
  > > My advice. Brace yourself. Count on nothing. Gain diverse skills,
get
  > > rid of liabilities. Thats viable advice regardless.
 >
 > ... you mean, you're JUST NOW getting it?


Not hardly asshole...but those still maxing out their home loans on 125%
mortgages in the realeste bubble might be getting it soon.


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 3:03 pm
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 > I put my engineering resume out to 2,500 contract shops a month ago to
test
 > the market... in 1999 that produced about 50 enquiries and several job
 > offers. .... I have not gotten a single phone call in 30 days.

Perhaps those skills of yours that preclude people from hiring you because
you can't build 13 story buildings aren't all you talk them up to be, eh
Phil? Or does your nasty side show in your resume? I mean, do you mention
your fascination with conspiracies, or talk about how much you like
Scientology in this resume?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 3:29 pm
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 >From: "Phil Scott" philscott.DeleteThis@philscott.net

 >My advice. Brace yourself. Count on nothing. Gain diverse skills, get rid
of liabilities. Thats viable advice regardless.

Change is the only thing you can count on, Phil...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:32 am
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 >but those still maxing out their home loans on 125%
 > mortgages in the realeste bubble might be getting it soon.

Well, fortunately the smart ones in the world can just put the wheels back
on their homes and move to more interesting locations, eh Phil?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:54 am
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"Phil Scott" <philscott.DeleteThis@philscott.net> wrote in message
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 > "mjt" <mjtobler.DeleteThis@removethis_consultant.com> wrote in message
 > news:Sumwb.19728$Wy4.4185@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
  > > On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:01:16 -0800, "Phil Scott"
 > <philscott.DeleteThis@philscott.net> wrote:
  > >
  > >
   > > > My advice. Brace yourself. Count on nothing. Gain diverse skills,
 > get
   > > > rid of liabilities. Thats viable advice regardless.
  > >
  > > ... you mean, you're JUST NOW getting it?
 >
 >
 > Not hardly asshole...but those still maxing out their home loans on 125%
 > mortgages in the realeste bubble might be getting it soon.

I'll stick with the real estate. I've only got 30 years experience in real
estate, so there just might be a huge surprise coming, but the last 30 years
haven't done too badly by anyone I know. Let's see, my first house cost
$33,500 in Southern California. Do you think prices might be back down
there pretty soon, Phil? I'd like to pick up a couple of dozen houses when
we get back there. Keep us posted. And whatever you do, don't buy any
commercial real estate in Silicon Valley right now..... right??<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:54 am
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"REInvestments" <nospam DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > "Phil Scott" <philscott DeleteThis @philscott.net> wrote in message
 > news:bptidp$sv7$1@news.tdl.com...
  > >
  > > "mjt" <mjtobler DeleteThis @removethis_consultant.com> wrote in message
  > > news:Sumwb.19728$Wy4.4185@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
   > > > On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:01:16 -0800, "Phil Scott"
  > > <philscott DeleteThis @philscott.net> wrote:
   > > >
   > > >
   > > > > My advice. Brace yourself. Count on nothing. Gain diverse
skills,
  > > get
   > > > > rid of liabilities. Thats viable advice regardless.
   > > >
   > > > ... you mean, you're JUST NOW getting it?
  > >
  > >
  > > Not hardly asshole...but those still maxing out their home loans on 125%
  > > mortgages in the realeste bubble might be getting it soon.
 >
 > I'll stick with the real estate. I've only got 30 years experience in
real
 > estate, so there just might be a huge surprise coming, but the last 30
years
 > haven't done too badly by anyone I know. Let's see, my first house cost
 > $33,500 in Southern California. Do you think prices might be back down
 > there pretty soon, Phil? I'd like to pick up a couple of dozen houses
when
 > we get back there. Keep us posted. And whatever you do, don't buy any
 > commercial real estate in Silicon Valley right now..... right??


I am NOT a realestate or investment guru....my dred arizes from looking at
the stock market bubble and the banks loaning on realestate as in Japan and
how the bubble burst. ..Japan still has not recovered. I think its
inflated. These things go in 60 year cycles. We are due for a purge imho.

Can the fed control the currency well enough to keep the mess balanced?
Maybe. the jury is still out. Historically manipulation doesnt work
forever... I think we are nearing the end of the bogus dollar rope.,
especially as our jobs are moving to china...along with our cash.

Phil Scott

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:54 am
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"REInvestments" <nospam.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > "Phil Scott" <philscott.DeleteThis@philscott.net> wrote in message
 > news:bptidp$sv7$1@news.tdl.com...
  > >
  > > "mjt" <mjtobler.DeleteThis@removethis_consultant.com> wrote in message
  > > news:Sumwb.19728$Wy4.4185@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
   > > > On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:01:16 -0800, "Phil Scott"
  > > <philscott.DeleteThis@philscott.net> wrote:
   > > >
   > > >
   > > > > My advice. Brace yourself. Count on nothing. Gain diverse
skills,
  > > get
   > > > > rid of liabilities. Thats viable advice regardless.
   > > >
   > > > ... you mean, you're JUST NOW getting it?
  > >
  > >
  > > Not hardly asshole...but those still maxing out their home loans on 125%
  > > mortgages in the realeste bubble might be getting it soon.
 >
 > I'll stick with the real estate. I've only got 30 years experience in
real
 > estate, so there just might be a huge surprise coming, but the last 30
years
 > haven't done too badly by anyone I know. Let's see, my first house cost
 > $33,500 in Southern California. Do you think prices might be back down
 > there pretty soon, Phil? I'd like to pick up a couple of dozen houses
when
 > we get back there. Keep us posted. And whatever you do, don't buy any
 > commercial real estate in Silicon Valley right now..... right??

Realestate is more tangible and less manipulatable for fraud than stock.
Good choice imho.
realestate however short term lives in the larger economy...and is now the
govts prime income base as income tax is due to wane drastically with the
retirement of the baby boomers who will also draw SSI. etc.

Will the govt tax realestate to oblivion? You are betting it wont. I might
agree. Im cautious though.

Here is a fine article on what I see as the larger range of issues.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/19/opinion/meyer/main584424.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/19/opinion/meyer/main584424.shtml</a>


Phil Scott

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:22 am
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  > > Not hardly asshole...but those still maxing out their home loans on 125%
  > > mortgages in the realeste bubble might be getting it soon.
 >
 > I'll stick with the real estate. I've only got 30 years experience in
real
 > estate, so there just might be a huge surprise coming, but the last 30
years
 > haven't done too badly by anyone I know. Let's see, my first house cost
 > $33,500 in Southern California. Do you think prices might be back down
 > there pretty soon, Phil? I'd like to pick up a couple of dozen houses
when
 > we get back there. Keep us posted. And whatever you do, don't buy any
 > commercial real estate in Silicon Valley right now..... right??

Come on Larry. Give poor Phil a break! Just because he hasn't been right
going on what....a quarter of a century now, that doesn't mean you can PICK
on him and all! I mean, he probably has a real estate license to go along
with his nursing certification and his law degree and medical degree and
chef certificate from France, hell, challenge him on it and he'll probably
BET you some fanciful amount of dollars that, as usual, he is right, and all
the rest of us who actually DO have degree's in various professional and
certified areas are, as usual, wrong.

Oh yeah, and you should watch out for that powderized plutonium he warned us
is in the drinking water around the country, I have noticed a rash of
radiation poisoning at the local hospitals lately.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:39 am
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"Phil Scott" <philscott RemoveThis @philscott.net> wrote in message
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 > "REInvestments" <nospam RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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  > > "Phil Scott" <philscott RemoveThis @philscott.net> wrote in message
  > > news:bptidp$sv7$1@news.tdl.com...
   > > >
   > > > "mjt" <mjtobler RemoveThis @removethis_consultant.com> wrote in message
   > > > news:Sumwb.19728$Wy4.4185@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
   > > > > On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 03:01:16 -0800, "Phil Scott"
   > > > <philscott RemoveThis @philscott.net> wrote:
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > > > > My advice. Brace yourself. Count on nothing. Gain diverse
 > skills,
   > > > get
   > > > > > rid of liabilities. Thats viable advice regardless.
   > > > >
   > > > > ... you mean, you're JUST NOW getting it?
   > > >
   > > >
   > > > Not hardly asshole...but those still maxing out their home loans on
125%
   > > > mortgages in the realeste bubble might be getting it soon.
  > >
  > > I'll stick with the real estate. I've only got 30 years experience in
 > real
  > > estate, so there just might be a huge surprise coming, but the last 30
 > years
  > > haven't done too badly by anyone I know. Let's see, my first house
cost
  > > $33,500 in Southern California. Do you think prices might be back down
  > > there pretty soon, Phil? I'd like to pick up a couple of dozen houses
 > when
  > > we get back there. Keep us posted. And whatever you do, don't buy
any
  > > commercial real estate in Silicon Valley right now..... right??
 >
 >
 > I am NOT a realestate or investment guru....my dred arizes from looking at
 > the stock market bubble and the banks loaning on realestate as in Japan
and
 > how the bubble burst. ..Japan still has not recovered. I think its
 > inflated. These things go in 60 year cycles. We are due for a purge
imho.
 >
 > Can the fed control the currency well enough to keep the mess balanced?
 > Maybe. the jury is still out. Historically manipulation doesnt work
 > forever... I think we are nearing the end of the bogus dollar rope.,
 > especially as our jobs are moving to china...along with our cash.
 >
 > Phil Scott

Phil:

I believe you may be out of your element. Just out of curiosity, in poor
devastated Tokyo, what do you think the cost of a 2500 square foot detached
home on 1/2 acre might cost?

I'll leave the rest of this alone, except to suggest you do some reading on
REITs, and the effect of interest rates being lower than capitalization
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Phil Scott wrote:

 > [source: Walmart Street Journal A1, Timothy Aeppel, Nov. 21]
 >
 > "WALMART" STREET JOURNAL FRONT-PAGE ARTICLE HIGHLIGHTS DECIMATION OF U.S.
 > MACHINE TOOL SECTOR, at the heart of the nation's once-mighty industrial
 > economy.

Phil, an OT would have been helpful here, as well as actual proper
attribution of the source. Please note that the "WALMART" street journal
is *NOT* the same as the Wall Street Journal.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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