Traffic Light Gadgets

"Bob Garrison" <bobgns RemoveThis @netscape.net> wrote in message
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 > <JP RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > : You just put your wheel over the cut line where that sensor is.
 > : The outline is easy to see.
 > : Problem is half these sensors don't work.
 > :
 > :
 > My FLSTN trips most traffic light sensors, but there's a few that have
been
 > paved over a couple of times and I can sit there all day and the light
won't
 > change. I avoid these unless a cager is already there. Then I can pull up
 > behind him.
 >
 > D. B.
 >
 > I think it's legal to go through the red light if the sensor doesn't
detect
 > your bike. Can anyone verify this?

It is legal in ARIZONA to proceed through a red signal if the signal (and/or
system) has malfunctioned. Most people here interpret a signal never
changing to let you go through as a malfunction.

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"Bob Garrison" <bobgns DeleteThis @netscape.net> wrote in message
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 > <JP DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > : You just put your wheel over the cut line where that sensor is.
 > : The outline is easy to see.
 > : Problem is half these sensors don't work.
 > :
 > :
 > My FLSTN trips most traffic light sensors, but there's a few that have
been
 > paved over a couple of times and I can sit there all day and the light
won't
 > change. I avoid these unless a cager is already there. Then I can pull up
 > behind him.
 >
 > D. B.
 >
 > I think it's legal to go through the red light if the sensor doesn't
detect
 > your bike. Can anyone verify this?
 >

I had this happen at a traffic light about 3 weeks ago in Brainerd,
Minnesota. I was first in line, cop was behind me. Inductive sensor didn't
trip, I wasn't quite ready to bust the light right in front of a sheriff's
deputy. Til he honked at me.

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Howard McCollister wrote:
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 > I had this happen at a traffic light about 3 weeks ago in Brainerd,
 > Minnesota. I was first in line, cop was behind me. Inductive sensor didn't
 > trip, I wasn't quite ready to bust the light right in front of a sheriff's
 > deputy. Til he honked at me.
 >
 > HMc
 >
 >
 >


That's always nice. At least he was "keeping it real".
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"Bob Garrison" <bobgns.TakeThisOut@netscape.net> wrote in message
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 > <JP.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > : You just put your wheel over the cut line where that sensor is.
 > : The outline is easy to see.
 > : Problem is half these sensors don't work.
 > :
 > :
 > My FLSTN trips most traffic light sensors, but there's a few that have
been
 > paved over a couple of times and I can sit there all day and the light
won't
 > change. I avoid these unless a cager is already there. Then I can pull up
 > behind him.
 >
 > D. B.
 >
 > I think it's legal to go through the red light if the sensor doesn't
detect
 > your bike. Can anyone verify this?

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On Svn, 8 Avg 2004 12:11:50 -0400, "Bob Garrison"
<bobgns.TakeThisOut@netscape.net> wrote:

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 >"db" <donb@YOURHATmyway.com> wrote in message
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 ><JP.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:iO6dnUKHjNK5IojcRVn-sg@adelphia.com...
 >: Yov jvst pvt yovr wheel over the cvt line where that sensor is.
 >: The ovtline is easy to see.
 >: Problem is half these sensors don't work.
 >:
 >:
 >My FLSTN trips most traffic light sensors, bvt there's a few that have been
 >paved over a covple of times and I can sit there all day and the light won't
 >change. I avoid these vnless a cager is already there. Then I can pvll vp
 >behind him.
 >
 >D. B.
 >
 >I think it's legal to go throvgh the red light if the sensor doesn't detect
 >yovr bike. Can anyone verify this?
 >
 >Bob
 >
 >

There was a sensor in Oakwood (Dayton), Ohio that wovld not trip with
my 810 povnd Harley. I finally gave vp and tvrned right and then
tvrned arovnd at the first legal place. (Oakwood has an incredible
record of being hard on ALL traffic violations)

The next day I called the city manager to ask if I covld wait several
minvtes longet than normal and then jvst go throvgh. He said NO. I
wovld be ticketed is it was witnessed by law enforcement officials.

Bvt to the city manager's credit, he followed vp and had the sensor
recalibrated. The next time I was there the light tripped almost
immediately and I was able to proceed safely and legally.

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When I find that I am being ignored on the cycle of the traffic lights, I
just go when the other lanes in my direction of travel get the green light,
AND nobody is coming from the other way. I normally only have this decision
to make at a left turn.





"Some Guy" <yeawhatever.RemoveThis@nothanks.com> wrote in message
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 > Hi there. Check out these magnetic gadgets that mount to the bottom of
your
 > bike and trip the sensors at traffic lights. I figure if they only trip
half
 > of them, that's still a good deal for less than twenty bucks.
 >
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SleeperMan wrote:

 >
 > That's the most stupid thing i've ever heard! I mean, really! Magnet for
 > tripping sensor! Boy are some easy to full around!
 > I mount such sensors (for traffic barriers on parkings) and they react on
 > sufficient amount of METAL!!! not magnet...And it includes alluminium - i
 > normally test new sensor with alluminuim ladder to see if it works. And ( i
 > think) all bikes have quite some amount of metal or/and alluminium. I never
 > have any problems with such sensors - they always trigger when i stop on it.
 > They basically react on change of coil inductance, which occurs when some
 > metal comes onto the sensor, and it's sufficient this difference to be as
 > low as 0,005 %.
 >
 > A magnet...and as they say, the strongest available...imagine, what you'll
 > have on it after a few hundred miles...
 >
 >
You are correct. INDUCTANCE is the key, but you are mistaken when you
say a magnet wont do it. A small magnet will change the inductance of a
coil as much as a big chunk of metal....That's how magnetos work, and
generators, or alternators, or speakers.........
A magnet will trip a light sensor if it is close enough to the coil, and
moving...I dont see how these things could work either, being 5 or 6
inches off the ground, because the field of a magnet, even with
"keepers" or some kind of field directing plates, extends out from the
magnet only a short distance, then it begins to weaken gometrically. So
it would be difficult, for a bike w/a magnet on it to cause the same
inductive reactance change in a coil as a car would...sheer mass ..so
.....who knows?
I have a magnet from an old mainframe disk drive that is so strong that
you have to pry it off the filing cabinet with a screwdriver. I'll put
it on the bottom of my bike and see..... there is a light near my house
that I can't get to change coming from a certain direction...That'll be
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On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:54:48 -0300, <JP.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

 >You just put your wheel over the cut line where that sensor is.
 >The outline is easy to see.
 >Problem is half these sensors don't work.
 >
 >
 >"Juice" <Juice.RemoveThis@nevada.usa> wrote in message
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  >> Some Guy wrote:
  >>
   >> > Hi there. Check out these magnetic gadgets that mount to the bottom of
 >your
   >> > bike and trip the sensors at traffic lights. I figure if they only trip
 >half
   >> > of them, that's still a good deal for less than twenty bucks.
   >> >
<font color=brown>   >> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.motorcyclemagnets.com</font" target="_blank">www.motorcyclemagnets.com</font</a>>
  >> They use cameras her in Vegas for light controls.
  >>
  >> J
  >>
 >
so you are saying the best way to trip the light is to straddle the
wire?
ive been pulling in between the wires thinking it was a coil...
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"Some Guy" <yeawhatever.TakeThisOut@nothanks.com> wrote in
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 > Hi there. Check out these magnetic gadgets that mount to the bottom of
 > your bike and trip the sensors at traffic lights. I figure if they
 > only trip half of them, that's still a good deal for less than twenty
 > bucks.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.spammer.com</font" target="_blank">www.spammer.com</font</a>>

Wow. A spammer likes his snake-oil product. Whoda thunk it?

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Be sure to post the results!

"Sportster4Eva" <pauliegus2002.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > SleeperMan wrote:
 >
  > >
  > > That's the most stupid thing i've ever heard! I mean, really! Magnet for
  > > tripping sensor! Boy are some easy to full around!
  > > I mount such sensors (for traffic barriers on parkings) and they react
on
  > > sufficient amount of METAL!!! not magnet...And it includes alluminium -
i
  > > normally test new sensor with alluminuim ladder to see if it works. And
( i
  > > think) all bikes have quite some amount of metal or/and alluminium. I
never
  > > have any problems with such sensors - they always trigger when i stop on
it.
  > > They basically react on change of coil inductance, which occurs when
some
  > > metal comes onto the sensor, and it's sufficient this difference to be
as
  > > low as 0,005 %.
  > >
  > > A magnet...and as they say, the strongest available...imagine, what
you'll
  > > have on it after a few hundred miles...
  > >
  > >
 > You are correct. INDUCTANCE is the key, but you are mistaken when you
 > say a magnet wont do it. A small magnet will change the inductance of a
 > coil as much as a big chunk of metal....That's how magnetos work, and
 > generators, or alternators, or speakers.........
 > A magnet will trip a light sensor if it is close enough to the coil, and
 > moving...I dont see how these things could work either, being 5 or 6
 > inches off the ground, because the field of a magnet, even with
 > "keepers" or some kind of field directing plates, extends out from the
 > magnet only a short distance, then it begins to weaken gometrically. So
 > it would be difficult, for a bike w/a magnet on it to cause the same
 > inductive reactance change in a coil as a car would...sheer mass ..so
 > ....who knows?
 > I have a magnet from an old mainframe disk drive that is so strong that
 > you have to pry it off the filing cabinet with a screwdriver. I'll put
 > it on the bottom of my bike and see..... there is a light near my house
 > that I can't get to change coming from a certain direction...That'll be
 > the test.
 >
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Sportster4Eva typed:

 > SleeperMan wrote:
 >
  >>
  >> That's the most stupid thing i've ever heard! I mean, really! Magnet
  >> for tripping sensor! Boy are some easy to full around!
  >> I mount such sensors (for traffic barriers on parkings) and they
  >> react on sufficient amount of METAL!!! not magnet...And it includes
  >> alluminium - i normally test new sensor with alluminuim ladder to
  >> see if it works. And ( i think) all bikes have quite some amount of
  >> metal or/and alluminium. I never have any problems with such sensors
  >> - they always trigger when i stop on it. They basically react on
  >> change of coil inductance, which occurs when some metal comes onto
  >> the sensor, and it's sufficient this difference to be as low as
  >> 0,005 %.
  >>
  >> A magnet...and as they say, the strongest available...imagine, what
  >> you'll have on it after a few hundred miles...
  >>
  >>
 > You are correct. INDUCTANCE is the key, but you are mistaken when you
 > say a magnet wont do it. A small magnet will change the inductance of
 > a coil as much as a big chunk of metal....That's how magnetos work,
 > and generators, or alternators, or speakers.........
 > A magnet will trip a light sensor if it is close enough to the coil,
 > and moving...I dont see how these things could work either, being 5
 > or 6 inches off the ground, because the field of a magnet, even with
 > "keepers" or some kind of field directing plates, extends out from the
 > magnet only a short distance, then it begins to weaken gometrically.
 > So it would be difficult, for a bike w/a magnet on it to cause the
 > same inductive reactance change in a coil as a car would...sheer mass
 > ..so ....who knows?
 > I have a magnet from an old mainframe disk drive that is so strong
 > that you have to pry it off the filing cabinet with a screwdriver.
 > I'll put it on the bottom of my bike and see..... there is a light
 > near my house that I can't get to change coming from a certain
 > direction...That'll be the test.

true. But, i think that if you stop with the wheel on the sensor, it's
already enough. If not, even magnet usually won't help, as this means that
sensor is broken. Permanent magnet should be behind some plastic cover, so
that you easily remove the plastic and with it remove all dust and metal
which will get caught on it. Removing this from the magnet itself is surely
pain in the ass...
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nuyna.RemoveThis@nomail.com typed:

 > On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:54:48 -0300, <JP.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
 >
  >> You just put your wheel over the cut line where that sensor is.
  >> The outline is easy to see.
  >> Problem is half these sensors don't work.
  >>
  >>
  >> "Juice" <Juice.RemoveThis@nevada.usa> wrote in message
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   >>> Some Guy wrote:
   >>>
   >>>> Hi there. Check out these magnetic gadgets that mount to the
   >>>> bottom of your bike and trip the sensors at traffic lights. I
   >>>> figure if they only trip half of them, that's still a good deal
   >>>> for less than twenty bucks.
   >>>>
<font color=brown>   >>>> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.motorcyclemagnets.com</font" target="_blank">www.motorcyclemagnets.com</font</a>>
   >>> They use cameras her in Vegas for light controls.
   >>>
   >>> J
   >>>
  >>
 > so you are saying the best way to trip the light is to straddle the
 > wire?
 > ive been pulling in between the wires thinking it was a coil...
 > Jeff

It IS a coil. You can see a square on the road and one wire going to the
sensor. So, stopping between the wires (or in the middle of that square) is
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"Sportster4Eva" <pauliegus2002 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > I have a magnet from an old mainframe disk drive that is so strong that
 > you have to pry it off the filing cabinet with a screwdriver. I'll put
 > it on the bottom of my bike and see..... there is a light near my house
 > that I can't get to change coming from a certain direction...That'll be
 > the test.
 >
 >

Hmmm, I wonder if sticking one of those rare-earth magnets on the jiffy
stand will help? (I've often heard the tip about touching your kick-stand to
the pavement in order to help trigger "troublesome" lights, but I don't
believe it's ever worked for me--except to make me look like a jerk.)

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