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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:43 pm
Post subject: Total loss ignition
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Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
Or, does anyone have one in html format that could email it to me?
Thanks.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:43 pm
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On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM....DeleteThis@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote:
> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
Do you need to have a battery at all?
A lot of single cylinder dirt bikes had what is called an energy
transfer magneto.
They didn't need a battery.
The permanent magnet rotor induced a low voltage into the ignition
coil behind the rotor, and there was a set of ignition points that
opened and closed as the crankshaft turned.
One wire went up to the primary winding of the ignition coil, and a
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:17 pm
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Mike Corey wrote:
> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
>
> Or, does anyone have one in html format that could email it to me?
Battery + connects through ignition switch to coil primary + terminal.
The points and condensor are connected in parallel, one side of each
is grounded through the points plate, The ungrounded side of the
points & condensor combination is connected to the other (-) coil
primary terminal. The coil secondary terminal is connected to the
spark plug. Just FYI, the other terminal of the secondary winding
is usually connected inside the coil to the (+) battery primary
terminal.
Can't get any simpler than that.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Mark Olson wrote:
> Mike Corey wrote:
>> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
>> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
>>
>> Or, does anyone have one in html format that could email it to me?
>
> Battery + connects through ignition switch to coil primary + terminal.
> The points and condensor are connected in parallel, one side of each
> is grounded through the points plate, The ungrounded side of the
> points & condensor combination is connected to the other (-) coil
> primary terminal. The coil secondary terminal is connected to the
> spark plug. Just FYI, the other terminal of the secondary winding
> is usually connected inside the coil to the (+) battery primary
> terminal.
>
> Can't get any simpler than that.
Add a kill switch in the system, in addition to the key switch.
Les >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Project Magnet #1 wrote:
> Mark Olson wrote:
>> Mike Corey wrote:
>>> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
>>> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
>>>
>>> Or, does anyone have one in html format that could email it to me?
>>
>> Battery + connects through ignition switch to coil primary + terminal.
>> The points and condensor are connected in parallel, one side of each
>> is grounded through the points plate, The ungrounded side of the
>> points & condensor combination is connected to the other (-) coil
>> primary terminal. The coil secondary terminal is connected to the
>> spark plug. Just FYI, the other terminal of the secondary winding
>> is usually connected inside the coil to the (+) battery primary
>> terminal.
>>
>> Can't get any simpler than that.
>
> Add a kill switch in the system, in addition to the key switch.
Good idea.
I was just trying to suggest the simplest possible practical
circuit so the OP could get his head around it. I wonder if
just saying "add a kill switch" would even help-- there's a
significant fraction of the public who would happily put the
KS across the points or between any two random nodes in the
circuit for that matter.
They don't call it electrickery for nothing.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:34 pm
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:52 pm
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RhiannonX RemoveThis @gmail.com (B-]) wrote:
>Do you need to have a battery at all?
Yes, I should have mentioned, the bike is a modified 1956 Harley
Davidson Model 165 that is raced in light weight Antique flattrack.
Anything and everything that's not needed has been removed.
Thanks for the replies everyone.
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degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is
worth a war, is worse." --- John Stuart Mill: >> Stay informed about: Total loss ignition |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Mark Olson wrote:
> Project Magnet #1 wrote:
>> Mark Olson wrote:
>>> Mike Corey wrote:
>>>> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
>>>> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
>>>>
>>>> Or, does anyone have one in html format that could email it to me?
>>>
>>> Battery + connects through ignition switch to coil primary + terminal.
>>> The points and condensor are connected in parallel, one side of each
>>> is grounded through the points plate, The ungrounded side of the
>>> points & condensor combination is connected to the other (-) coil
>>> primary terminal. The coil secondary terminal is connected to the
>>> spark plug. Just FYI, the other terminal of the secondary winding
>>> is usually connected inside the coil to the (+) battery primary
>>> terminal.
>>>
>>> Can't get any simpler than that.
>>
>> Add a kill switch in the system, in addition to the key switch.
>
> Good idea.
>
> I was just trying to suggest the simplest possible practical
> circuit so the OP could get his head around it. I wonder if
> just saying "add a kill switch" would even help-- there's a
> significant fraction of the public who would happily put the
> KS across the points or between any two random nodes in the
> circuit for that matter.
>
> They don't call it electrickery for nothing.
Across the points works fine if your not running a battery. With a
battery, a way to kill the power would be best.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:46 am
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Mike Corey <AWR7MMSTW RemoveThis @webtv.net> wrote:
> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
>
Heh. Just bought one. A little dirt bike with a Honda 125 lump in it.
Wired directly. No battery. Just a killswitch.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:46 am
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B-] <RhiannonX.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM....DeleteThis@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote:
> > Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
> > condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
>
> Do you need to have a battery at all?
>
He didn't say battery, did he?
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:15 am
Post subject: Re: Total loss ignition [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> B-] <RhiannonX.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM....DeleteThis@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote:
>>> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
>>> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
>> Do you need to have a battery at all?
>>
>
> He didn't say battery, did he?
He certainly implied it, IME "total loss ignition" refers
to a battery powered system where the battery isn't being
charged. I've never heard of a magneto ignition described as
a "total loss" system.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:45 pm
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Mark Olson <olsonm.TakeThisOut@tiny.net> wrote:
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > B-] <RhiannonX.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM....TakeThisOut@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote:
> >>> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
> >>> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
> >> Do you need to have a battery at all?
> >>
> >
> > He didn't say battery, did he?
>
> He certainly implied it, IME "total loss ignition" refers
> to a battery powered system where the battery isn't being
> charged. I've never heard of a magneto ignition described as
> a "total loss" system.
Hm. I just assumed he meant exactly what I've just bought - flywheel
ignition, no battery.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:45 pm
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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Mark Olson <olsonm RemoveThis @tiny.net> wrote:
>
>> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>> B-] <RhiannonX RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM... RemoveThis @webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote:
>>>>> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
>>>>> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
>>>> Do you need to have a battery at all?
>>>>
>>> He didn't say battery, did he?
>> He certainly implied it, IME "total loss ignition" refers
>> to a battery powered system where the battery isn't being
>> charged. I've never heard of a magneto ignition described as
>> a "total loss" system.
>
> Hm. I just assumed he meant exactly what I've just bought - flywheel
> ignition, no battery.
Never heard of total loss being used in that context myself. Always used
to describe a battery ignition with no means to keep the battery charged.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:45 pm
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Project Magnet #1 <test_spamgourmet.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote:
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > Mark Olson <olsonm.RemoveThis@tiny.net> wrote:
> >
> >> The Older Gentleman wrote:
> >>> B-] <RhiannonX.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sep 25, 5:43?pm, AWR7MM....RemoveThis@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote:
> >>>>> Anyone know of a web page that has a wiring diagram for a points and
> >>>>> condenser total loss ignition for a single cylinder motorcycle?
> >>>> Do you need to have a battery at all?
> >>>>
> >>> He didn't say battery, did he?
> >> He certainly implied it, IME "total loss ignition" refers
> >> to a battery powered system where the battery isn't being
> >> charged. I've never heard of a magneto ignition described as
> >> a "total loss" system.
> >
> > Hm. I just assumed he meant exactly what I've just bought - flywheel
> > ignition, no battery.
>
> Never heard of total loss being used in that context myself. Always used
> to describe a battery ignition with no means to keep the battery charged.
>
Fairy nuff.
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