Tired of RZ breaking at HS. Thinking about a brand new SV-..

On Sep 12, 2:32 am, Bob Nixon wrote:
> And idea's or comments.
>
> Bob Nixon

Well, unfortunately, the SV650 has a v-twin engine! My longtime
friend Jack, always enamored of small, light, rare, exotic, high
revving, and generally unloved motorcycles, currently has a Honda CB-1
on which he has lavished no small amount of affection. I have ridden
the bike (when it was stock) and it is a real treat. Underpowered,
yes, but it's a Honda four-cylinder ... you can safely add half again
the stock horsepower and still have a reliable, unbreakable,
unburstable, relatively docile, smooth idling streetbike.

The ergos are excellent, it's light and flickable, it has modern
suspension, brakes, and frame geometry.

What's not to like?

Tim

P.S. Gear-driven cams!

P.P.S. http://www.hondacb1.org
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"Bob Nixon" wrote in message

> And idea's or comments.
>
> Bob Nixon
>


Braking at High Speed?
Breaking at High Speed?

I don't know what you're talking about.

You know all about the SV having owned one before.
I bet you could find a good one used for about 3K.


--
Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple
71 Kawi H1
05 Infant
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On Sep 12, 12:24 pm, "Andrew"
wrote:
> "Bob Nixon" wrote in message
>
>
>
> > And idea's or comments.
>
> > Bob Nixon
>
> Braking at High Speed?
> Breaking at High Speed?
>
> I don't know what you're talking about.

I thought he meant that the bike slows to a stop and won't budge when
he tries to pass a High School?
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On Sep 12, 5:30 am, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
> On Sep 12, 2:32 am, Bob Nixon wrote:
>
> > And idea's or comments.
>
> > Bob Nixon
>
> Well, unfortunately, the SV650 has a v-twin engine!

I had one before. See photo below.

http://bigrex.net/pictures/Old%20bikes/SV002.jpg

The SV is about the only short hop (=<200 miles) twin I've been able
to live with.


My longtime
> friend Jack, always enamored of small, light, rare, exotic, high
> revving, and generally unloved motorcycles, currently has a Honda CB-1
> on which he has lavished no small amount of affection. I have ridden
> the bike (when it was stock) and it is a real treat. Underpowered,
> yes, but it's a Honda four-cylinder ... you can safely add half again
> the stock horsepower and still have a reliable, unbreakable,
> unburstable, relatively docile, smooth idling streetbike.

Thanks for the suggestion but hard to find at a reasonable price, low
power and it's a Honda.

> The ergos are excellent, it's light and flickable, it has modern
> suspension, brakes, and frame geometry.
>
> What's not to like?

The brand;)
> Tim
>
> P.S. Gear-driven cams!

Sounds cool and thanks again for the suggestion. See my responce to
Andrew.

Bob Nixon.
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"Bob Nixon" wrote in message

> And idea's or comments.
>
> Bob Nixon
>

Save a few bucks, buy a lightly used one, First Generation. Better looking
than the new ones.
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"TroytheTroll" wrote in message

>
> "Bob Nixon" wrote in message
>
>> And idea's or comments.
>>
>> Bob Nixon
>>
>
> Save a few bucks, buy a lightly used one, First Generation. Better looking
> than the new ones.

Yeah and Bob doesn't have to worry about rain. Hehe.
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On Sep 12, 5:01 pm, Bob Nixon wrote:

> > What you really *don't* want to do is to ride a Ducati Monster S2R,
> > S2R1000, S4, S4R, or S4Rs. Doing so will ruin you for the SV for
> > life! Just a friendly word of advice!
>
> IMO Tim, ALL 1 liter 4 cycle twins are just too damned shaky and
> geared too tall for any decent 6th gear low RPM operation. Also, I
> need low seat height and in particular low weight which I doubt any
> Duc will fulfill those demands. BTW, I've ridden both a 748 and 999.
> Both were very strident & unrefined as an "overall" non race
> motorcycle. I couldn't believe just 100 cc's; "748", would add so much
> more vibration over the SV-650. Sorry, no Ducs.

That's good thinking. The Ducatis are, after all, all the same. The
Monster S2R, for instance, is a 1 liter twin in spite of being 800cc,
and of course, sixth gear cannot be changed on any chain-driven bike,
even if the manufacturer has installed exceptionally tall overall (aka
Daytona) gearing in order to minimize exhaust and engine noise at EPA/
DOT mandated rolling road speeds. And of course, race replicas like
Monsters have REALLY tall seats heights compared to standards like the
SV650. And don't EVEN get me started on the sameness of the
Testastretta engine in the S4Rs Monster to earlier 4v Ducati engines.
Why, it is identical to the original 851 superbike engine of 1987, and
thus shakes like a giant paint mixer at all engine and road speeds.

Thank goodness you have the good sense to follow my advice and avoid
riding any modern Ducati Monster!

I think you are going to be exceptionally happy on your SV650.
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On Sep 12, 2:26 pm, Bob Nixon wrote:
> On Sep 12, 5:30 am, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
>
> > On Sep 12, 2:32 am, Bob Nixon wrote:
>
> > > And idea's or comments.

> > ... Honda CB-1 .... ?

> Thanks for the suggestion but hard to find at a reasonable price, low
> power and it's a Honda.
>
> > The ergos are excellent, it's light and flickable, it has modern
> > suspension, brakes, and frame geometry.
>
> > What's not to like?
>
> The brand;)

Sorry. When you ask for ideas and input next time, I'll try to
remember to exclude Hondas and Ducatis. Luckily, I already know to
exclude all Buells, Harleys, Aprilias, and any/all single cylinder
motorcycles. Luckily, that will save us both time as well as cut
down on silly suggestions like considering a Honda!
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"Bob Nixon" wrote in message

>
> Mike it's a low HP shaky as it gets 4 stroke single. Also, the seat
> height has to be about 30" max and still take the tight turns without
> dragging the pegs. The SV and new KWAK 650 are about the only bikes in
> that catagory. I don't care for most the 600cc inline fours except for
> the YZF600F or the F4i but both have > 30" seat heights and more
> weight than an SV-650. That's why I decided to buy the 60HP 300LBS 2
> stroke but I'm not happy with the reliability.
>
> Bob Nixon.
>

Isn't it too bad that there isn't a close to 50hp version of the Ninja 250?
With all the reliability.
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On Sep 12, 3:53 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
> On Sep 12, 2:26 pm, Bob Nixon wrote:
>
> > On Sep 12, 5:30 am, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 12, 2:32 am, Bob Nixon wrote:
>
> > > > And idea's or comments.
> > > ... Honda CB-1 .... ?
> > Thanks for the suggestion but hard to find at a reasonable price, low
> > power and it's a Honda.
>
> > > The ergos are excellent, it's light and flickable, it has modern
> > > suspension, brakes, and frame geometry.
>
> > > What's not to like?
>
> > The brand;)
>
> Sorry. When you ask for ideas and input next time, I'll try to
> remember to exclude Hondas and Ducatis. Luckily, I already know to
> exclude all Buells, Harleys, Aprilias, and any/all single cylinder
> motorcycles. Luckily, that will save us both time as well as cut
> down on silly suggestions like considering a Honda!

You don't need to make this a fight with sarcasm. Just think about the
choices you've presented to me.

1) CB-1 400 cc Honda. Otherwise a good idea (being small and light but
lacking in power & especially torque. How would that be any better
choise than my present RZ-350? Hint: It's old too and would be subject
to the same problems cruising above 80MPH. Other Honda's, being
Honda's the "least dynamic of all MC companies" save HD, just don't
have anything light and fast save maybe the 600 Hornet and it always
get's beat out in the comparo's by the SV-650, Same with Yamaha FZ-6 &
the new Kwak twin.

2) Ducati's of any sort are IMO heavier than their Japanese
counterparts for X sized engine, EX: SV-650 vs DUC 620. Any bike I buy
will never see the track so a bit better brakes or suspension vs a
smoother SV engine and poorer suspension & brakes will not make that
much difference. Just look how fast you can push that Harley on the
street. Next Tim, you can't convince me that Ducati engine vibration
technology has gone from dead last to best. It's just imposible from
both phyics and manufacturing standpoint.
..
3) What 4 cycle single could you imagine cruising at 80+ MPH and not
having a seat height of >32". I've only one leg/half a heart and
that's the main reason for a small light bike that is also fairly
fast=(my own liking).

4) I've ridden almost all the prillers save the tuano & Capincord. I
hate their 60 degree twins and their all close to 500lbs and have
relatively high seat hieghts.

5) What Buell would cruise reriably and comfortable at HS yet weigh
<400lbs + the low seat height thing.

6) That leaves (your suggestions) Harley with low seat height but far
too heavy and slow.

Tim, I think we used to ride similar motorcycles but split after the
RZ-350. I stayed with Japanese bikes, (you had an S3 but it's my least
favorite Triumph due to poor wind protection). I just can't see status
bikes for their own sake, like Harleys, Ducati's & Prillers. Hell, I
could have kept the Sprint or bought another GSXR1000 and had similar
seat height than what you're suggesting save the 4 cycle I4 CB-1. If I
was normal and just wanted another bike, I'd buy an 00 or 01 Honda VFR
or just have kept the Sprint & GSXR1000.

Bob Nixon.
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On Sep 12, 9:11 pm, Bob Nixon wrote:

> Next Tim, you can't convince me that Ducati engine vibration
> technology has gone from dead last to best. It's just imposible from
> both phyics and manufacturing standpoint.

WTF are you talking about Bob. The L-twin engine has perfect primary
balance and is the same damn thing used in Suzuki's SV imitation.
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On Sep 12, 5:42 pm, "TroytheTroll" wrote:
> > Bob I think a Suzuki DRZ400 SM is the right bike for you.
>
> I looked at 'em, damn seat is about 3" wide. Its WAY dirt bikey.

Your kidding, right?. What's the seat height and HP. (low Cruise speed
+ vibs;)
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On Sep 12, 4:10 pm, "BryanUT" wrote:
> "Bob Nixon" wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mike it's a low HP shaky as it gets 4 stroke single. Also, the seat
> > height has to be about 30" max and still take the tight turns without
> > dragging the pegs. The SV and new KWAK 650 are about the only bikes in
> > that catagory. I don't care for most the 600cc inline fours except for
> > the YZF600F or the F4i but both have > 30" seat heights and more
> > weight than an SV-650. That's why I decided to buy the 60HP 300LBS 2
> > stroke but I'm not happy with the reliability.
>
> > Bob Nixon.
>
> Isn't it too bad that there isn't a close to 50hp version of the Ninja 250?
> With all the reliability.

Your's is the 1st suggestion non SV, even a EX500 that makes some
sense. But show me the link for a 50HP 4 cycle 250cc twin rthat would
last any longer than a two stroke? That's 200HP/liter from a twin. The
current 600Ss i4's are barely making that kind of power/liter.
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