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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:54 am
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Specifically what were/are the problems with the stability of a TL
1000?

I hear bad things about it but no one I ask knows anything other than
hear-say BS.

I'm going to look at one Sunday and if it rides ok I'll buy it.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:54 am
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On Aug 18, 1:54 am, Fake Name <faken....DeleteThis@fake.com> wrote:
> Specifically what were/are the problems with the stability of a TL
> 1000?
>
> I hear bad things about it but no one I ask knows anything other than
> hear-say BS.
>
> I'm going to look at one Sunday and if it rides ok I'll buy it.

Only compaint I ever heard (other than the weight, which everyone I
know who owned one or raced one complained about) was the funky rear
shock that they came with from the factory.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:27 am
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Fake Name <fakename DeleteThis @fake.com> wrote:
> Specifically what were/are the problems with the stability of a TL
> 1000?

First I've heard. It is a pig, like the RC51, but that is about the
only complaint I've heard.

- Kurt
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:12 pm
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Fake Name wrote:
>Specifically what were/are the problems with the stability of a TL
>1000?

The design.

The long V-twin engine which had to be mounted too far back in the TL1000S
chassis unweighted the front tire.

Lack of weight on the front tire contact patch and/or a tire profile that was
too pointy made the TL1000S feel squirrelly to some motojournalists testing
the machine, so they gave it a bad report.

I don't remember if it was the British testers who first knocked the TL1000S'
stability or not.

The Brits tended to say anything they wanted, however rude and true, while
the Americans tended to be sychophants, writing only what was acceptable to
the distibutors.

Suckass American motorjournalists realized that they couldn't badmouth the
products they were testing, because they might not get any more long term
test bikes from the distributors and they started calling squirrelly-handling
machines "hooligan bikes" and praising how easy and fun it was to do a
wheelie on one.

Japanese engineers came to realize that, in spite of the desires of
motojournalists who had been pressing for an inexpensive Japanese version of
a Ducati, the inline-4 was a more compact engine which could be mounted
closer to the front wheel for better weight distribution to enhance cornering,
and that's what a sportbike is really all about, not wheelies.

Now, if you want to ride a motorcycle which feels like the front tire is
"planted" in the turns, ride a 1988 through 1996 Yamaha FZR1000.

The FZR would leave everything else in the dust until it came to really tight
back roads, then it was just too stable to change directions quickly.

An FZR was just fine for a longer high speed race track, but the complicated
20-valve engine didn't lend itself to the fettling of American motorcycle hot
rooders who loved Suzukis and Kawasakis for their big bore potential.

Riders said that if they wanted a box stock machine, just leave the FZR alone
and race it in a production class. But it was too much trouble to modify it.

The FZR1000 was the standard by which all large sportbikes were judged until
the CBR900RR came out in 1993, with its light weight and the midget 16-inch
front tire that would wash out unpredictably.

But the CBR had the twin spar aluminum frame pioneered by Yamaha and newer
engine technology with a lighter simpler engine.

Riders became increasingly "hooked" on light weight, squirrelly motorcycles.

So you see a lot of 450 pound I-4 sport bikes around.

And, what happened to the big bore Japanese Ducatis?

In order to be competitive with the I-4's, ALL the TL1000R's and the RC51's
needed more heavier, more robust crankcases, built to withstand 180
crankshaft horsepower, because a FEW of the total production run might be
raced on a track against I-4 superbikes...

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:06 pm
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<tomorrow RemoveThis @erols.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 18, 1:54 am, Fake Name <faken... RemoveThis @fake.com> wrote:
>> Specifically what were/are the problems with the stability of a TL
>> 1000?
>>
>> I hear bad things about it but no one I ask knows anything other than
>> hear-say BS.
>>
>> I'm going to look at one Sunday and if it rides ok I'll buy it.
>
> Only compaint I ever heard (other than the weight, which everyone I
> know who owned one or raced one complained about) was the funky rear
> shock that they came with from the factory.
>

Yeah what did they call that thing? A radial rear shock?
Was that on the TLR? or just the TLS?

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:32 am
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On Aug 18, 11:06 pm, "Andrew"
<yogig.nospamm.no.spa... DeleteThis @hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
> <tomor... DeleteThis @erols.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1187434457.930363.7070@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Aug 18, 1:54 am, Fake Name <faken... DeleteThis @fake.com> wrote:
> >> Specifically what were/are the problems with the stability of a TL
> >> 1000?
>
> >> I hear bad things about it but no one I ask knows anything other than
> >> hear-say BS.
>
> >> I'm going to look at one Sunday and if it rides ok I'll buy it.
>
> > Only compaint I ever heard (other than the weight, which everyone I
> > know who owned one or raced one complained about) was the funky rear
> > shock that they came with from the factory.
>
> Yeah what did they call that thing? A radial rear shock?
> Was that on the TLR? or just the TLS?

THat sounds familiar. It was sort of like a gian version of those box-
like steering dampers they have today. And I think it was on both the
TLS and the TLR, just more adjustable on the TLR, iirc.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:36 am
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 05:32:56 -0700, "tomorrow@erols.com"
<tomorrow.RemoveThis@erols.com> wrote:

>On Aug 18, 11:06 pm, "Andrew"
><yogig.nospamm.no.spa....RemoveThis@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote:
>> <tomor....RemoveThis@erols.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1187434457.930363.7070@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Aug 18, 1:54 am, Fake Name <faken....RemoveThis@fake.com> wrote:
>> >> Specifically what were/are the problems with the stability of a TL
>> >> 1000?
>>
>> >> I hear bad things about it but no one I ask knows anything other than
>> >> hear-say BS.
>>
>> >> I'm going to look at one Sunday and if it rides ok I'll buy it.
>>
>> > Only compaint I ever heard (other than the weight, which everyone I
>> > know who owned one or raced one complained about) was the funky rear
>> > shock that they came with from the factory.
>>
>> Yeah what did they call that thing? A radial rear shock?
>> Was that on the TLR? or just the TLS?
>
>THat sounds familiar. It was sort of like a gian version of those box-
>like steering dampers they have today. And I think it was on both the
>TLS and the TLR, just more adjustable on the TLR, iirc.

Thanks for the replys, guys. I don't rightly know what it's called
but my brief research did turn up something screwy with the rear
suspension. Many owners replaced this with a mono-shock like you'd
expect to find back there.

But the friend of a friend who had the bike just told me it sold last
night. So I won't be going to see it. I honestly can't blame the guy
or anyone for that matter who takes the first fist full of dollars
offered when selling a car or bike.

Thanks again!
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