Splitting hairs and twisting words

I found the discussion very lame and didn't get to the fighting part.
Please summarize the insults.

Thanks.

P.S. Pee on four strokes. Go hemi!

"RADRick" <radrick1NOSPAM.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 > In the Eric Gorr thread a number of posters have decided that rather than
 > debate they would prefer to make personal attacks. For the record, I never
 > said anything negative about Mr. Gorr personally or professionally, I
 > simply referred to his having a bias towards 2-strokes. I also never made
 > any comment about 4-strokes being better than 2-strokes, only that they
 > are the future and that most comments as to their unreliability are
 > greatly exaggerated or taken out of context.
 >
 > Last night I went back and reread the Dirt Rider article in question. Mr.
 > Gorr's commentary is solely directed at race bikes and, as such, should be
 > viewed in that regard. Mr. Gorr's business is directed at serious racers
 > and this article reflects that. The problems he recounts are related to
 > bikes that are pushed well beyond the abilities of the average rider and
 > should be seen in that context. To extrapolate his findings as being
 > common to all 4-strokes is to misrepresent his intention and his
 > expertise. Most notably, his comments totally ignore the WR and CRFX
 > 4-strokes, models aimed at a completely different class of rider.
 >
 > The thing I find interesting is that many in this newsgroup dismiss
 > magazines like Dirt Rider as not being representative of the average dirt
 > biking rider, yet when an article that is so specifically related to
 > serious racing (as this one is) comes out, many of you point to it as
 > being gospel. Hmmm...
 >
 > If the most you can come up with to try and discredit me is the fact that
 > I'm an "industry insider," then you likely have nothing of value to add to
 > the debate. Similarly, if my relationship to the Harley industry gives you
 > reason to assail me, then you are more interested in taking cheap shots
 > than offering any valuable insight to the others in this newsgroup.
 > Without knowing me or knowing my background, many of you feel justified in
 > making personal attacks on my character. That's fine because it only shows
 > what kind of person you are to those who have the ability to sort through
 > the bullshit.
 >
 > The thing that makes this newsgroup great is that it is founded on
 > passion. A passion for dirt bikes that we all share, regardless of the
 > form or discipline we choose. That fact should be reason enough to treat
 > each other with a modicum of respect. We don't have to agree on everything
 > or anything, but we should at least be able to debate our points of view
 > without resorting to character assassination or uncalled for comments.
 >
 > RADRick
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RADRick wrote:
<snip, Rick's rant>

That is one of the best speaches I have ever read, Team America could
really use someone of your talents, why you could save the entire
world.......Now suck my cock!!!
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Can't we all just get along?
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Scrape scored RADRick:
 >
  >>In the Eric Gorr thread a number of posters have decided that rather than
  >>debate they would prefer to make personal attacks.
 >
 > <snip ramblings>
 >
 > Too serious.
 >
 > C-

If that was serious, why was I laughing my ass off?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:45:31 -0500, "Dean H." <moto.RemoveThis@groove.calm>
wrote:

 >
 >Scrape scored RADRick:
  >>
   >>>In the Eric Gorr thread a number of posters have decided that rather than
   >>>debate they would prefer to make personal attacks.
  >>
  >> <snip ramblings>
  >>
  >> Too serious.
  >>
  >> C-
 >
 >If that was serious, why was I laughing my ass off?

Because you applied the proper filters and didn't take it at face
value. Realizing that I'm a peripheral grader at the very best,<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Rick,

I know Eric personally and have spoken to him on many occassions and he
would agree with your original post.

Not really that he is anti anything or has a bias towards two strokes...
just that he realizes the most efficient production of power in any given
type of engine usually is a 2-stroke.

Ivan

"RADRick" <radrick1NOSPAM.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 > In the Eric Gorr thread a number of posters have decided that rather than
 > debate they would prefer to make personal attacks. For the record, I never
 > said anything negative about Mr. Gorr personally or professionally, I
 > simply referred to his having a bias towards 2-strokes. I also never made
 > any comment about 4-strokes being better than 2-strokes, only that they
 > are the future and that most comments as to their unreliability are
 > greatly exaggerated or taken out of context.
 >
 > Last night I went back and reread the Dirt Rider article in question. Mr.
 > Gorr's commentary is solely directed at race bikes and, as such, should be
 > viewed in that regard. Mr. Gorr's business is directed at serious racers
 > and this article reflects that. The problems he recounts are related to
 > bikes that are pushed well beyond the abilities of the average rider and
 > should be seen in that context. To extrapolate his findings as being
 > common to all 4-strokes is to misrepresent his intention and his
 > expertise. Most notably, his comments totally ignore the WR and CRFX
 > 4-strokes, models aimed at a completely different class of rider.
 >
 > The thing I find interesting is that many in this newsgroup dismiss
 > magazines like Dirt Rider as not being representative of the average dirt
 > biking rider, yet when an article that is so specifically related to
 > serious racing (as this one is) comes out, many of you point to it as
 > being gospel. Hmmm...
 >
 > If the most you can come up with to try and discredit me is the fact that
 > I'm an "industry insider," then you likely have nothing of value to add to
 > the debate. Similarly, if my relationship to the Harley industry gives you
 > reason to assail me, then you are more interested in taking cheap shots
 > than offering any valuable insight to the others in this newsgroup.
 > Without knowing me or knowing my background, many of you feel justified in
 > making personal attacks on my character. That's fine because it only shows
 > what kind of person you are to those who have the ability to sort through
 > the bullshit.
 >
 > The thing that makes this newsgroup great is that it is founded on
 > passion. A passion for dirt bikes that we all share, regardless of the
 > form or discipline we choose. That fact should be reason enough to treat
 > each other with a modicum of respect. We don't have to agree on everything
 > or anything, but we should at least be able to debate our points of view
 > without resorting to character assassination or uncalled for comments.
 >
 > RADRick
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ROTFLMAO!!!

Ivan

"Chris Buckley" <cnbuckley RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 >
 >
 > RADRick wrote:
 > <snip, Rick's rant>
 >
 > That is one of the best speaches I have ever read, Team America could
 > really use someone of your talents, why you could save the entire
 > world.......Now suck my cock!!!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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For what it's worth, your comments are (IMO) usually on topic, and the
center of much (as you state) passionate debate. Better than sitting on a
fence, and / or willing to back off of an opinion. Keep on providing us
with topics that make the group come alive.

2 stroke 'people' will always get defensive whenever their engine of choice
is threatened with extinction, or anything closely resembling it. Not to
mention, when you look at the outboard boat motor industry, you get a scary
example of what can happen. The new Honda 4 stroke small outboards seem to
be an embarrasment in replacement of the old reliable 2 strokers. My
experience was that the little trolling outboard that I used at the fishing
camp last year was the performance and reliability was terrible. It
wouldn't start for shit, and would not idle for very long either. This is a
Honda? WTF?

I have a 69 model 3.9 horse merc that looks beat to crap, but if I can find
a replacement drive shaft / lower end for it, I know it will start right up
again, and troll with a continuous Putt-Putt-Putt that you should be able to
expect from these new 4 strokes. Add this to the fact that they threaten to
eliminate 2 strokes in many of the waterways completely, and you've got a
lot of fisherman down right pissed.

Are they going to eliminate 2 strokes from closed course racing? Maybe not,
but you can bet somebody has brought getting them all out of the woods to
the table. Now how the hell are you going to shove that down the throat of
the hard core 2 stroke fan?

My 426F is at the moment a very reliable bike. I do understand however, the
nature of this 'tuned on the edge of destruction' power plant, and am
careful to keep up the oil and filter / air filter maintenance. I've had it
2 years now, and it being an '01 and that I have no idea whether or not it
has ever had any top end work, and when you add in the fact that I do race
it on occasion, I am to the point where it really needs to have the top end
torn down for at least an inspection.

Would I have another 2 stroke? Sure. I'd love to ride a current 250 class
bike to see what I'm missing. Never ridden one.

I think I'm rambling now. Done.

Tom

"RADRick" <radrick1NOSPAM.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 > In the Eric Gorr thread a number of posters have decided that rather than
 > debate they would prefer to make personal attacks. For the record, I never
 > said anything negative about Mr. Gorr personally or professionally, I
 > simply referred to his having a bias towards 2-strokes. I also never made
 > any comment about 4-strokes being better than 2-strokes, only that they
 > are the future and that most comments as to their unreliability are
 > greatly exaggerated or taken out of context.
 >
 > Last night I went back and reread the Dirt Rider article in question. Mr.
 > Gorr's commentary is solely directed at race bikes and, as such, should be
 > viewed in that regard. Mr. Gorr's business is directed at serious racers
 > and this article reflects that. The problems he recounts are related to
 > bikes that are pushed well beyond the abilities of the average rider and
 > should be seen in that context. To extrapolate his findings as being
 > common to all 4-strokes is to misrepresent his intention and his
 > expertise. Most notably, his comments totally ignore the WR and CRFX
 > 4-strokes, models aimed at a completely different class of rider.
 >
 > The thing I find interesting is that many in this newsgroup dismiss
 > magazines like Dirt Rider as not being representative of the average dirt
 > biking rider, yet when an article that is so specifically related to
 > serious racing (as this one is) comes out, many of you point to it as
 > being gospel. Hmmm...
 >
 > If the most you can come up with to try and discredit me is the fact that
 > I'm an "industry insider," then you likely have nothing of value to add to
 > the debate. Similarly, if my relationship to the Harley industry gives you
 > reason to assail me, then you are more interested in taking cheap shots
 > than offering any valuable insight to the others in this newsgroup.
 > Without knowing me or knowing my background, many of you feel justified in
 > making personal attacks on my character. That's fine because it only shows
 > what kind of person you are to those who have the ability to sort through
 > the bullshit.
 >
 > The thing that makes this newsgroup great is that it is founded on
 > passion. A passion for dirt bikes that we all share, regardless of the
 > form or discipline we choose. That fact should be reason enough to treat
 > each other with a modicum of respect. We don't have to agree on everything
 > or anything, but we should at least be able to debate our points of view
 > without resorting to character assassination or uncalled for comments.
 >
 > RADRick
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  >>Scrape scored RADRick:
   >>>
   >>>>In the Eric Gorr thread a number of posters have decided that rather
   >>>>than
   >>>>debate they would prefer to make personal attacks.
   >>>
   >>> <snip ramblings>
   >>>
   >>> Too serious.
   >>>
   >>> C-
  >>
  >>If that was serious, why was I laughing my ass off?
 >
 > Because you applied the proper filters and didn't take it at face
 > value.

I should try that with women.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:38:16 -0500, "Dean H." <moto RemoveThis @groove.calm>
wrote:

   >>>> <snip ramblings>
   >>>>
   >>>> Too serious.
   >>>>
   >>>> C-
   >>>
   >>>If that was serious, why was I laughing my ass off?
  >>
  >> Because you applied the proper filters and didn't take it at face
  >> value.
 >
 >I should try that with women.

Nah. Learn how to dance first.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Other Tom" <thomasp_.RemoveThis@hevanet.com> wrote in message
Snipped a good reply 8<

Thanks Tom, it's for people like you that I persevere. I only wish it didn't
always seem like they're in the minority.

RADRick
www.mcjournalist.com
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:26:37 GMT, "RADRick"
<radrick1NOSPAM.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:

 >
 >"Other Tom" <thomasp_.TakeThisOut@hevanet.com> wrote in message
 >Snipped a good reply 8<
 >
 >Thanks Tom, it's for people like you that I persevere. I only wish it didn't
 >always seem like they're in the minority.
 >
 >RADRick
 >www.mcjournalist.com

I'm just speculating here, but it may have a lot to do with
follow-ups like the one above. You know, the ones where it sounds like
you're whining all the time?

I can only speak for myself, mind you, but every time I'm about to
forget your last transgression you have to do something stupid again
like this.

I actually agree with you more often than not, but in my
observation you're your own worst enemy sometimes. Which is fine, of
course, except that you really shouldn't be surprised afterwards.


CrashTestDummy (aka-Fred)
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"CrashTestDummy" <f.j.bradford DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
 > I actually agree with you more often than not, but in my
 > observation you're your own worst enemy sometimes. Which is fine, of
 > course, except that you really shouldn't be surprised afterwards.

How about when regulars like Bucktooth and Levy feel it necessary to chime
in with bullshit comments in response to a thread they weren't even involved
in? How come no one speaks up then? I've tried to mend fences and be an
asset here, even stooping to self-deprecating humor to smooth ruffled
feathers, but for some reason people like yourself seem to always want to
point a finger my way while ignoring the juvenile behavior of others. That's
fine, I have a thick skin and an even thicker head. I'll keep coming back
because I know there are some in here who appreciate the effort. This
newsgroup doesn't need me and I certainly don't need it, but I guess we're
stuck with each other. I'll keep doing what I do and the morons can continue
to show their asses. The better people notice and know what's what.

RADRick
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