Sachsenring day 1 spoiler

On Jul 14, 10:51 pm, Mark N wrote:
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> > "Mark N" wrote
> >> Tex wrote:
> >>> Without Casey, Ducati couldn't even get on the podium
>
> >> And without Bridgestone neither would be on the podium. Look at Ducati
> >> relative to Suzuki and Kawasaki - they have made less progress since
> >> last year than either of those two. So all the progress is relative to
> >> Michelin-shod Yamaha and Honda. And that's only Stoner - Capirossi
> >> can't make the damned thing work for him at all.
> > How are you measuring progress?
>
> Qualifying positions, race positions, what I see on the track in terms
> of speed. Today de Puniet was 4th, Hopkins 6th, Vermeulen 9th, and
> there's nothing all that unusual about that. Last year those guys were
> 9th, 13th, 14th. Even on top speed, Ducati's strong suit this year, they
> haven't necessarily done relatively better - at Mugello, Capirossi was
> 11kph up on de Puniet last year on his five fastest race readings, and
> this year Stoner was up only 4 (the difference to Hopkins was about the
> same). Last year, when fully healthy, Loris could run at or close to the
> front much of the time, tho not as dominantly as Stoner this year, of
> course. But it seems like Suzuki has made a bigger jump, and Kawasaki,
> once one factors in their reduction in riding talent, seems to have made
> at least as much of a jump. The is likely more than just money that has
> Hopper going that direction next year.

You say "reduction in riding talent", but look where those previous
riders are finishing now on other makes.

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=29608

1. Casey STONER (Ducati), Bridgestone, 1:22.384
2. Dani PEDROSA (Honda), Michelin, 1:22.388
5. John HOPKINS (Suzuki), Bridgestone, 1:22.561
10. Shinya NAKANO (Honda), Michelin, 1:22.969
16. Alex HOFMANN (Ducati), Bridgestone, 1:23.199

Can't really blame the bikes for 10th and 16th. That's in the same
ballpark they were running on the Kawi. Can't wait to see how Hopkins
does on it. There have also been hints of hiring a "proven MotoGP
race winner" to team up with him. That could be good or bad. There
are some previous winners out there that would be hard pressed to win
again on any bike. They could make the Kawi look worse than it is.

Bruce
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"AUS" wrote in message

> On Jul 14, 1:15 am, "bsr3...@my-deja.com" wrote:
>> On Jul 13, 10:21 am, Julian Bond wrote:
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>> > Paul B Fri, 13 Jul 2007 06:13:07
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>> > >Not so good is Hayden who was only 17th fastest during FP2 and failed
>> > >to improve on his FP1 time, don't know whats going on there, he likes
>> > >the track and the bike seemed to be working for him prior to this
>> > >meeting.
>>
>> > Best bit of live TV I've seen in ages. Hayden blows the engine good and
>> > proper on the start straight. The session ends 2 minutes later. Toby
>> > and
>> > Julian are talking to Randy live on the air and pointing out where the
>> > metal bits are they can see from the commentary box. As the session
>> > ends
>> > Randy jumps the fence and is retrieving bits of crankcase. Then he goes
>> > "Hey Dudes, I've got a valve head! I'll tell you what, we'll auction
>> > the
>> > bits for Riders for Health." Then Julian says "Valve head? Oh, right.
>> > It's 'Hello Rodney' then."
>>
>> > Which is all a bit serious for Honda and Hayden. Embarrassing for Honda
>> > and not exactly good for Hayden's confidence.
>>
>> Must have had "an electrical problem". (At one time Honda's answer any
>> time an engine broke
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>> Bruce- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
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> LOL....GOLD!
>
> "POWER OF DREAMING"
>
> Could/nt happen to a nicer company
>
> Go Ducati, spank them MORE!

Honda 1st and 3rd. GOLD

Also, the so-called "greatest of all time" seems to have trouble staying on
his bike of late. I'm sure there'll be some excuse...
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:46:38 +1000, "Tex"
wrote:

>
>"AUS" wrote in message
>
>> On Jul 14, 1:15 am, "bsr3...@my-deja.com" wrote:
>>> On Jul 13, 10:21 am, Julian Bond wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Paul B Fri, 13 Jul 2007 06:13:07
>>>
>>> > >Not so good is Hayden who was only 17th fastest during FP2 and failed
>>> > >to improve on his FP1 time, don't know whats going on there, he likes
>>> > >the track and the bike seemed to be working for him prior to this
>>> > >meeting.
>>>
>>> > Best bit of live TV I've seen in ages. Hayden blows the engine good and
>>> > proper on the start straight. The session ends 2 minutes later. Toby
>>> > and
>>> > Julian are talking to Randy live on the air and pointing out where the
>>> > metal bits are they can see from the commentary box. As the session
>>> > ends
>>> > Randy jumps the fence and is retrieving bits of crankcase. Then he goes
>>> > "Hey Dudes, I've got a valve head! I'll tell you what, we'll auction
>>> > the
>>> > bits for Riders for Health." Then Julian says "Valve head? Oh, right.
>>> > It's 'Hello Rodney' then."
>>>
>>> > Which is all a bit serious for Honda and Hayden. Embarrassing for Honda
>>> > and not exactly good for Hayden's confidence.
>>>
>>> Must have had "an electrical problem". (At one time Honda's answer any
>>> time an engine broke
>>>
>>> Bruce- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> LOL....GOLD!
>>
>> "POWER OF DREAMING"
>>
>> Could/nt happen to a nicer company
>>
>> Go Ducati, spank them MORE!
>
>Honda 1st and 3rd. GOLD
>
>Also, the so-called "greatest of all time" seems to have trouble staying on
>his bike of late. I'm sure there'll be some excuse...
>

Damn good run by Nicky to get to 3rd from 14th, though he gained some
of those positions by the thinning of the herd in front of him.
Colin did a good job of hanging with him for 4th after starting 13th.
Do you think tires were Stoner's problem or something else? No drag
race strips on that track for the Duc to win, maybe?
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"Russell Watson" wrote in message

>
> Damn good run by Nicky to get to 3rd from 14th ...

Yes, but just like he said, he needs to put a whole weekend together. For
him to recover as many positions, the bad can't be as bad as a 14th for
qualifying. The Honda is starting to work very well after Honda predictably
has put its development might behind it. I should not be surprised if it's
the best bike by a significant margin within a few more races. Today it
certainly looked like the best bike-tire combo out there.

> Do you think tires were Stoner's problem or something else? No drag
> race strips on that track for the Duc to win, maybe?

He rode a smart race, obviously the Duc-Stone combo wasn't the best bike
this time around, and Stoner is smart to look at the points. With Rossi
crashing out, it would have been silly to go for an improbable victory
against guys that have a lot to prove and little to lose.

Pedrosa ran a solid race, but it didn't look like he had to ride the wheels
off his bike. Rossi on the other hand had a classic case of pushing slightly
too hard, the bike gave in ever so softly when barely pushed over the edge,
it even looked like something a Rossi in top form might have saved in the
past. It simply seemed to ask for a tad more knee support and running a bit
wider. Hard to say, I wasn't on that bike, and heck, I've never saved jack
with my knee - but I've seen racers do it A huge mistake by Rossi, but
such are the fortunes of racing. Now Honda seems to have overtaken Yamaha
quite solidly, and Rossi's confidence seems somewhat dented. We shall see
where things go from here. Stoner seems to truly have his number now.

Needless to say, it's telling for this forum that when Hayden is riding in
the back, it's clearly a bike issue, yet when Rossi falls off trying to stay
up front, it's got to be because he's overrated or has forgotten how to
ride... entertaining to see the inconsistency in people's arguments
depending on who the rider is, or more appropriately whether he's American
or not...

Laguna looks like it may be the Hayden show again - the bike's working
again, Hayden's confident... and has shown stunning superiority on his "home
track" (although Kentucky it ain't) in the past 2 years.

....pablo
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"Tex" wrote in message

>
> "AUS" wrote in message
>
>> On Jul 14, 1:15 am, "bsr3...@my-deja.com" wrote:
>>> On Jul 13, 10:21 am, Julian wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Paul B Fri, 13 Jul 2007 06:13:07
>>><snip>

> Also, the so-called "greatest of all time" seems to have trouble staying
> on his bike of late. I'm sure there'll be some excuse...

Val seems to be missing those "Saturday Night Specials"
that Michelin did for him last year more than the other guys.
But today's mistake was just a matter of being impatient.
Michelin had the race tire today and if Val had just waited he would have
been on the podium
>
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"Russell Watson" wrote in message

> Damn good run by Nicky to get to 3rd from 14th, though he gained some
> of those positions by the thinning of the herd in front of him.

Yeah it was, he picked up somethin' like 5 spots by T1..



> Colin did a good job of hanging with him for 4th after starting 13th.
> Do you think tires were Stoner's problem or something else?

Michelin certainly had good tire, especially later on and had Rossi not
wadded it he prolly would've been on the box, though It would've been a
stretch to catch the gnome..



No drag
> race strips on that track for the Duc to win, maybe?

He got considerably less racy after Rossi went down, but that might've been
more about tires than stategy. In any event, Nicky looks to have some Mo and
will prolly be the man again at 'Guna, we'll see..
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:32:32 -0700, "pablo"
wrote:

>Needless to say, it's telling for this forum that when Hayden is riding in
>the back, it's clearly a bike issue, yet when Rossi falls off trying to stay
>up front, it's got to be because he's overrated or has forgotten how to
>ride... entertaining to see the inconsistency in people's arguments
>depending on who the rider is, or more appropriately whether he's American
>or not...

"This forum"? Who exactly are you referring to? Is it more than one or
two people?
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"DaveW" wrote in message

> ...Is it more than one or
> two people?

it's up to 4 or 5, yes, even though not all seem to be regular posters. i
don't know exactly, i have developed a low tolerance for bigotry and my
killfile in this forum has grown some over the last year.
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On Jul 15, 10:46 pm, "Tex" wrote:
> "AUS" wrote in message
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>
>
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> > On Jul 14, 1:15 am, "bsr3...@my-deja.com" wrote:
> >> On Jul 13, 10:21 am, Julian Bond wrote:
>
> >> > Paul B Fri, 13 Jul 2007 06:13:07
>
> >> > >Not so good is Hayden who was only 17th fastest during FP2 and failed
> >> > >to improve on his FP1 time, don't know whats going on there, he likes
> >> > >the track and the bike seemed to be working for him prior to this
> >> > >meeting.
>
> >> > Best bit of live TV I've seen in ages. Hayden blows the engine good and
> >> > proper on the start straight. The session ends 2 minutes later. Toby
> >> > and
> >> > Julian are talking to Randy live on the air and pointing out where the
> >> > metal bits are they can see from the commentary box. As the session
> >> > ends
> >> > Randy jumps the fence and is retrieving bits of crankcase. Then he goes
> >> > "Hey Dudes, I've got a valve head! I'll tell you what, we'll auction
> >> > the
> >> > bits for Riders for Health." Then Julian says "Valve head? Oh, right.
> >> > It's 'Hello Rodney' then."
>
> >> > Which is all a bit serious for Honda and Hayden. Embarrassing for Honda
> >> > and not exactly good for Hayden's confidence.
>
> >> Must have had "an electrical problem". (At one time Honda's answer any
> >> time an engine broke
>
> >> Bruce- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > LOL....GOLD!
>
> > "POWER OF DREAMING"
>
> > Could/nt happen to a nicer company
>
> > Go Ducati, spank them MORE!
>
> Honda 1st and 3rd. GOLD
>
> Also, the so-called "greatest of all time" seems to have trouble staying on
> his bike of late. I'm sure there'll be some excuse...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No. No


1.Ducati Stoner 196pt
2.Yama Rossi 164pt

8 races to go, 200 points up for grabs

"A" race is forgotten the Championship that counts...

Cheers

A/H/M
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On Jul 16, 1:28 pm, AUS wrote:
> On Jul 15, 10:46 pm, "Tex" wrote:
>
>
>
> > "AUS" wrote in message
>
> >
>
> > > On Jul 14, 1:15 am, "bsr3...@my-deja.com" wrote:
> > >> On Jul 13, 10:21 am, Julian Bond wrote:
>
> > >> > Paul B Fri, 13 Jul 2007 06:13:07
>
> > >> > >Not so good is Hayden who was only 17th fastest during FP2 and failed
> > >> > >to improve on his FP1 time, don't know whats going on there, he likes
> > >> > >the track and the bike seemed to be working for him prior to this
> > >> > >meeting.
>
> > >> > Best bit of live TV I've seen in ages. Hayden blows the engine good and
> > >> > proper on the start straight. The session ends 2 minutes later. Toby
> > >> > and
> > >> > Julian are talking to Randy live on the air and pointing out where the
> > >> > metal bits are they can see from the commentary box. As the session
> > >> > ends
> > >> > Randy jumps the fence and is retrieving bits of crankcase. Then he goes
> > >> > "Hey Dudes, I've got a valve head! I'll tell you what, we'll auction
> > >> > the
> > >> > bits for Riders for Health." Then Julian says "Valve head? Oh, right.
> > >> > It's 'Hello Rodney' then."
>
> > >> > Which is all a bit serious for Honda and Hayden. Embarrassing for Honda
> > >> > and not exactly good for Hayden's confidence.
>
> > >> Must have had "an electrical problem". (At one time Honda's answer any
> > >> time an engine broke
>
> > >> Bruce- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > LOL....GOLD!
>
> > > "POWER OF DREAMING"
>
> > > Could/nt happen to a nicer company
>
> > > Go Ducati, spank them MORE!
>
> > Honda 1st and 3rd. GOLD
>
> > Also, the so-called "greatest of all time" seems to have trouble staying on
> > his bike of late. I'm sure there'll be some excuse...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> No. No
>
> 1.Ducati Stoner 196pt
> 2.Yama Rossi 164pt
>
> 8 races to go, 200 points up for grabs
>
> "A" race is forgotten the Championship that counts...

Indeed, just like 2006
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On Jul 16, 1:39 pm, wrote:
> On Jul 16, 1:28 pm, AUS wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 15, 10:46 pm, "Tex" wrote:
>
> > > "AUS" wrote in message
>
> > >
>
> > > > On Jul 14, 1:15 am, "bsr3...@my-deja.com" wrote:
> > > >> On Jul 13, 10:21 am, Julian Bond wrote:
>
> > > >> > Paul B Fri, 13 Jul 2007 06:13:07
>
> > > >> > >Not so good is Hayden who was only 17th fastest during FP2 and failed
> > > >> > >to improve on his FP1 time, don't know whats going on there, he likes
> > > >> > >the track and the bike seemed to be working for him prior to this
> > > >> > >meeting.
>
> > > >> > Best bit of live TV I've seen in ages. Hayden blows the engine good and
> > > >> > proper on the start straight. The session ends 2 minutes later. Toby
> > > >> > and
> > > >> > Julian are talking to Randy live on the air and pointing out where the
> > > >> > metal bits are they can see from the commentary box. As the session
> > > >> > ends
> > > >> > Randy jumps the fence and is retrieving bits of crankcase. Then he goes
> > > >> > "Hey Dudes, I've got a valve head! I'll tell you what, we'll auction
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > bits for Riders for Health." Then Julian says "Valve head? Oh, right.
> > > >> > It's 'Hello Rodney' then."
>
> > > >> > Which is all a bit serious for Honda and Hayden. Embarrassing for Honda
> > > >> > and not exactly good for Hayden's confidence.
>
> > > >> Must have had "an electrical problem". (At one time Honda's answer any
> > > >> time an engine broke
>
> > > >> Bruce- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > LOL....GOLD!
>
> > > > "POWER OF DREAMING"
>
> > > > Could/nt happen to a nicer company
>
> > > > Go Ducati, spank them MORE!
>
> > > Honda 1st and 3rd. GOLD
>
> > > Also, the so-called "greatest of all time" seems to have trouble staying on
> > > his bike of late. I'm sure there'll be some excuse...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > No. No
>
> > 1.Ducati Stoner 196pt
> > 2.Yama Rossi 164pt
>
> > 8 races to go, 200 points up for grabs
>
> > "A" race is forgotten the Championship that counts...
>
> Indeed, just like 2006 - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thought u where going to SeppoLand?

Hurry up, u can make the race on Sunday if your quick, support
Valentino and Stoner while on location:-)

Cheers

AUS
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:06:21 -0700, "pablo"
wrote:

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>"DaveW" wrote in message
>
>> ...Is it more than one or
>> two people?
>
>it's up to 4 or 5, yes, even though not all seem to be regular posters. i
>don't know exactly, i have developed a low tolerance for bigotry and my
>killfile in this forum has grown some over the last year.

I'm American and naturally I'd like to see the Americans do well,
whether it's Nicky, Colin, or Hopkins, but failing any one of them
having a real shot at a championship, I'd like to see the season
outcome in doubt as late as possible. It's just more entertaining that
way. If it's Stoner vs Rossi in the last race for all the marbles,
that's great stuff and I'll be glued to the television.

But as far as bigotry is concerned, I'd have to say the Americans have
no monopoly around here. There's no shortage of posters who love to
put down the "septics" in any context.
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"DaveW" wrote in message

>
> I'm American and naturally I'd like to see the Americans do well,
> whether it's Nicky, Colin, or Hopkins, but failing any one of them
> having a real shot at a championship, I'd like to see the season
> outcome in doubt as late as possible. It's just more entertaining that
> way. If it's Stoner vs Rossi in the last race for all the marbles,
> that's great stuff and I'll be glued to the television.

I'd go further and I'd contend I'd like the season to turn in a way that
puts even more riders in true contention for the title with a few races to
go. And if were a group of 3 Americans, hey, it's cool by me, and
furthermore nothing I haven't seen before in 30 years of following MotoGP...


> But as far as bigotry is concerned, I'd have to say the Americans have
> no monopoly around here. There's no shortage of posters who love to
> put down the "septics" in any context.

I think one has to know the history of this newsgroup. The few people here
that truly aggressively put down American riders are a recent phenomenon,
and I'd say it's simply a recent reaction to MN and T3 venerable,
long-standing tradition of blatant bigotry and utterly ignornat provincial
mindset. On either side, to me it's astounding people chose to showcase
backward ignorance as publicly, but hey, to each their own.

I don't even know why or if Americans are called "septics". I do know
American riders dominated what could be called the Golden Age of MotoGP.
When I hoped for someone -preferably Sheene- to beat Roberts Sr, it was not
because he was American. It was because he seemed to be cold, distant and
arrogant. I was wrong: Roberts was a highly intelligent rider that changed
MotoGP for the better in many ways. His stand-up against the FIM was the
best thing that happened for the series. I find it very entertaining to see
that those who claim the series if European-biased *now* would probably have
never made such a claim when Roberts happened to be winning. Even though the
FIM was a crusty, arrogant, aristocratic European organization of the worst
kind at the time. I also thought Uncini kind of a bore. Heck, Criville was
about the most boring personality in racing in all time. I have never cared
a whif for a rider's nationality, my favorite riders have come from many
flags... and most of them have been -like most racers- utter individualists
that didn't seem to be particularly nationalistc themselves...

....pablo
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