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Cale Dupre'

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:40 pm
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I have a 2007 Triumph America and this past weekend I took a trip with my
girlfriend on the back for the first time. I readjusted (stiffened) the rear
springs according to the owner's manual. Afterwards she told me it was just
too rough of a ride for her.

My question is, if I set the springs back to standard solo rider and she
rides like that, is there any immediate or long-term harm that could happen
to the bike? BTW, I did re-adjust tire pressure prior to her riding.

Thanks for any input on this.

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Albrecht via MotorcycleKB

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:28 pm
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Cale Dupre' wrote:
>I have a 2007 Triumph America and this past weekend I took a trip with my
>girlfriend on the back for the first time. I readjusted (stiffened) the rear
>springs according to the owner's manual. Afterwards she told me it was just
>too rough of a ride for her.

No kidding. She's sitting right over the rear wheel.

My GF used to complain that the expansion joints on the freeway were shaking
her tits off at 80 mph.

I had 150 lb/in rate springs on that bike. You can look for an online spring
rate calculator to see what springs you have, and you can figure out the
mechanical leverage advantage of the swing arm and trig out the angle of the
shocks to see how much the swing arm geometry effectively reduces the spring
rate. It's usually around 10% to 15%.
>
>My question is, if I set the springs back to standard solo rider and she
>rides like that, is there any immediate or long-term harm that could happen
>to the bike? BTW, I did re-adjust tire pressure prior to her riding.

It's considered OK to bottom out the rear suspension occasionally.

There are probably rubber snubbers on each shock absorber shaft that will
stop the shock absorber from bottoming out and damaging internal valving.

But don't go crazy with bottoming the shocks all the time. I did damage a set
of rebuilabable shocks so badly through bottoming they weren't economically
rebuilable any more. But they were glorious while they lasted.

Typical shocks for a dual shock arrangement will have a stepped collar that
allows you to select five different settings. Other arrangements have a
threaded collar and a large locknut.

But the stepped collar arrangement will sometimes result in the rider
selecting one setting that is a little too soft or a setting that is a little
too harsh.

You can tell the rear springs are set too soft when the motorcycle wallows
and weaves while cruising on the freeway and too hard a setting results in
butt burn, but you have to compromise between comfort and control

One time I was returning from San Francisco with a large lady on the back,
she must have weighed about 180 or so.

She said her butt was hurting, so we stopped at K-Mart and bought a cushion
for her to sit on. But I was glad to get her off my bike when we got home.

A gel pad or padded bicycle shorts might be your lady's solution to setting
the shocks correctly for both of you.

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George R. Young

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:45 am
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"Cale Dupre'" <cdupre.DeleteThis@san.rr.com> wrote in
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> I have a 2007 Triumph America and this past weekend I took a trip with
> my girlfriend on the back for the first time. I readjusted (stiffened)
> the rear springs according to the owner's manual. Afterwards she told
> me it was just too rough of a ride for her.
>
> My question is, if I set the springs back to standard solo rider and
> she rides like that, is there any immediate or long-term harm that
> could happen to the bike? BTW, I did re-adjust tire pressure prior to
> her riding.
>
> Thanks for any input on this.
>
>

Setting the preload only affects ride height under load, not stiffness.
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The Older Gentleman

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:25 am
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Cale Dupre' <cdupre.RemoveThis@san.rr.com> wrote:

> My question is, if I set the springs back to standard solo rider and she
> rides like that, is there any immediate or long-term harm that could happen
> to the bike?

No

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:57 pm
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George R. Young wrote:

>Setting the preload only affects ride height under load, not stiffness.

Preloading the springs does not increase the *spring rate*, it takes the same
amount of force to move the chassis an inch.

But, adding more *weight* and preloading the spring to adjust the ride height
increases the natural frequency of the spring.

The increased natural frequency of the springs not only increases butt burn
and eyeball jiggling, it changes the chassis' "sweet speed" and the bike will
"hobby horse" over freeway expansion strips until the rider finds the new
optimum speed for the front/rear spring frequencies vs. wheelbase.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:10 pm
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"George R. Young" <ag136 DeleteThis @freenet.carleton.ca> wrote in
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> "Cale Dupre'" <cdupre DeleteThis @san.rr.com> wrote in
> news:46c8c6fc$0$16514$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>> I have a 2007 Triumph America and this past weekend I took a trip with
>> my girlfriend on the back for the first time. I readjusted (stiffened)
>> the rear springs according to the owner's manual. Afterwards she told
>> me it was just too rough of a ride for her.
>>
>> My question is, if I set the springs back to standard solo rider and
>> she rides like that, is there any immediate or long-term harm that
>> could happen to the bike? BTW, I did re-adjust tire pressure prior to
>> her riding.
>>
>> Thanks for any input on this.
>>
>>
>
> Setting the preload only affects ride height under load, not stiffness.

Correct. But, the spring forces will be larger with a passenger.
If the bike has adjustable rebound damping, try increasing that
a little.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:10 pm
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"Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com" <u33665@uwe> wrote in
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> George R. Young wrote:
>
>>Setting the preload only affects ride height under load, not stiffness.
>
> Preloading the springs does not increase the *spring rate*, it takes the
> same
> amount of force to move the chassis an inch.
>
> But, adding more *weight* and preloading the spring to adjust the ride
> height
> increases the natural frequency of the spring.

<snip>

In my universe adding weight to a spring-mass system decreases
frequency.

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