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Catman wrote:

 > Preston Kemp wrote:
 > <snip>
  > >
  > > No. But would you expect a 20 year old cheap commuter bike to
  > > outperform a new Gixer Thou, no matter how badly the Gixer's
  > > suspension was set up? I might have to spend a few hours in a shop
  > > listening room & see if there's anything out there that makes me go
  > > 'Wow!'.
  > >
  > >
 > My wife thought our old kit sounded good. I dragged her to the
 > listening rooms to hunt for new speakers (as I wasn't gonn put up
 > with any remarks about how much I was spending etc.) We spent 4
 > hours in there. She was utterly gobsmacked and even as I was handing
 > over the switch card was trying to persuade me to go for the more
 > expensive of our shorlisted pairs. You may well be surprised.

In that case, can I borrow your wife & switch card please.

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Preston Kemp wrote:

 > Catman wrote:
 >
  >> Preston Kemp wrote:
  >> <snip>
   >> >
   >> > Am I missing the point, or is it just down to personal taste?
   >> >
  >> It can be personal taste, it can boil down to how well the stuff is
  >> installed, set up, supported and even run in / warmed up. For
  >> example, IME, Cyrus stuff sounds bloody awful out of the box. Some
  >> kit also works better with different music.
  >>
  >> What it really boils down to is what you like.
 >
 > What I'd *really* like is a Nakamichi Soundspace, but that lottery
 > win's still proving elusive, dammit.
 >
Heh. Have you *heard* one?

I fancy a Cyrus i-link, but I've not heard one. My MR3 does quite handily
piping music round the house ATM
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Preston Kemp wrote:

 > Catman wrote:
 >
  >> Preston Kemp wrote:
  >> <snip>
   >> >
   >> > No. But would you expect a 20 year old cheap commuter bike to
   >> > outperform a new Gixer Thou, no matter how badly the Gixer's
   >> > suspension was set up? I might have to spend a few hours in a shop
   >> > listening room & see if there's anything out there that makes me go
   >> > 'Wow!'.
   >> >
   >> >
  >> My wife thought our old kit sounded good. I dragged her to the
  >> listening rooms to hunt for new speakers (as I wasn't gonn put up
  >> with any remarks about how much I was spending etc.) We spent 4
  >> hours in there. She was utterly gobsmacked and even as I was handing
  >> over the switch card was trying to persuade me to go for the more
  >> expensive of our shorlisted pairs. You may well be surprised.
 >
 > In that case, can I borrow your wife & switch card please.
 >
Welcome.

Oh you mean *my* switch card? You wouldn't get mcuh ATM :{
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Catman wrote:

 > Preston Kemp wrote:
 >
  > > Catman wrote:
  > >
   > >> What it really boils down to is what you like.
  > >
  > > What I'd really like is a Nakamichi Soundspace, but that lottery
  > > win's still proving elusive, dammit.
  > >
 > Heh. Have you heard one?

No, I'm too scared in case it spoils the illusion. They do look the
dogs though.


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Switters wrote:

 > There was a whole thing about this (well, actually it comes up time and
 > again), on the audio and DVD newsgroups. I recall seeing reference to a
 > chap who offered lots of money to anyone that could tell the difference
 > between super-expensive and run-of-the-mill cables, in a blind test. No-
 > one had collected.

Look at uk.rec.audio.
Mr. Pinkerton is the philanthropist in question.

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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:24:33 -0000, "Richard Wood" <news2 DeleteThis @ukrm.co.uk>
dropped the following oil-slick:
 >
 >And of course a seperate mains feed means that interference introduced
 >onto the normal ring circuit from your fridge/freezer/dishwasher/immersion
 >heater/central heating/hoover/kettle/toaster/microwave/computer/laptop/
 >dildo/hedge trimmer won't actually *get* to your nice HiFi cause the
 >seperate feed has a filter fitted at the fuze box where its taken off from.

You miss the point. He was not talking about just a separate ring
circuit but a separate mains supply. BTW what's a "fuze"?
 >
 >This is one thing that whoever brought it to light years ago actually
 >knew what they were talking about, its the rest of you pikey plebs
 >who don't want to admit it, cause if you did you'd have to spend some
 >dosh, which would cause you to commit suicide/explode/spontaneously
 >combust.

Fortunately for my wallet, I now have crap ears so no longer feel the
need to chase the rainbow.
 >
 >I'll admit that it *sounds* like tosh at first, but learn the science and
 >do the research and it actually make sense.

I did learn an awful lot about cod from reading those magazines.
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"gomez" <adams_gomez.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:o5bsp0pbrmsp1hekg6tnl1utq4bp2si8lc@4ax.com...
 > On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:24:33 -0000, "Richard Wood" <news2.TakeThisOut@ukrm.co.uk>
 > dropped the following oil-slick:
  > >
  > >And of course a seperate mains feed means that interference introduced
  > >onto the normal ring circuit from your fridge/freezer/dishwasher/immersion
  > >heater/central heating/hoover/kettle/toaster/microwave/computer/laptop/
  > >dildo/hedge trimmer won't actually *get* to your nice HiFi cause the
  > >seperate feed has a filter fitted at the fuze box where its taken off from.
 >
 > You miss the point. He was not talking about just a separate ring
 > circuit but a separate mains supply. BTW what's a "fuze"?

In that case it'll be working on the same principal as the "star earth"
connections - connect as close to the source of power as possible and
you cut down on the interference generated by equipment connected
further down the line. Although I'll readily admit that going this far is
way into the lands of diminishing returns.

A "fuze" is akin to those lifeforms who have nothing better to do than
pick spelling mistakes on Usenet posting, proving to all other readers
they have no life. Bet 007 doesn't pick on spelling mistakes in Ms
bulletins...

 > Fortunately for my wallet, I now have crap ears so no longer feel the
 > need to chase the rainbow.

Funny that, I've been partially deaf since birth but have always had
ears that can hear well enough to tell the differences in expensive
equipment/speakers/cables. My deafness is a tailing off in volume the
higher the frequency goes, starting about 1KHz.

 > I did learn an awful lot about cod from reading those magazines.

Would those be "Fishermans Weekly"?


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In article <pan.2004.11.19.11.03.40.804139 RemoveThis @dsl.pipex.com>, entwisi
<entwisi RemoveThis @dsl.pipex.com> writes
 >On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:40:44 +0000, Preston Kemp wrote:
 >
  >> darsy wrote:
  >>
   >>>
   >>> entwisi wrote:
   >>>


 > Its not just about buying
 >some kit and sticking it in a room you know. That is why all good HiFi
 >shops will allow home trials. Everything about the room will affect the
 >sound. Furnishings or lack of them will change teh acoustics, Room shape
 >and size, positioning of the speakers. How are they supported? There are
 >lots of variables to play with.
 >

If the bass is muffled buy a bigger house. The resonance frequency of
the room has a greater effect on the bass than any cable will.

If 2.5 T&E isn't good enough go for some 4.0 m. At audio frequencies the
single / multi strand stuff only alters how you can bend it.

The major demand on the cable at the lower frequencies will be if the
cable's resistance is restricting the ampere ramp rate of the output
stage of the amp. Most amplifiers will reach their own limit first. If
you are using a simple cross over on the speakers that will limit it
first. Hang *too* much copper on the ends of the amp and it will
attenuate the upper frequencies. Nothing is that critical with standard
speakers as their impedance is all over the place relative to frequency,
relatively speaking.
If the speakers require an ampere ramp rate that will out do 4.0mm T&E
and you have the correct size room I dont think I want to be in it when
you try to find the cables limitations.

Now if your talking active speakers with inertial sensors providing
motion feed back. It's a compete new ball game.
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In article <pan.2004.11.19.11.04.24.57843.DeleteThis@dsl.pipex.com>, entwisi
<entwisi.DeleteThis@dsl.pipex.com> writes
 >On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:15:58 -0800, darsy wrote:
 >
  >>
  >> entwisi wrote:
  >>
   >>> IMHO it is definitely worth doing. I have two systems, a Quad Valve
  >> system
   >>> running 2x Quad II monoblocks with a 22 pre-amp running out to ESL
  >> 57s
   >>> which is a beautiful rich and smooth sound. Wired with Monster cable.
  >>
   >>>
   >>> For everyday use I have another Quad Pre/Power combo running to floor
   >>> standing Kefs. These are bi-wired( hopefully soon to be bi-amped as
  >> I've
   >>> got my eye on another quad amp) These are wired with cheapish Supra
  >> Rondo
   >>> as the cables must be hidden (SWMBO) and it means that I needed 25 m
  >> of
   >>> the stuff to go under the floor.
   >>>
   >>> Both driven as required from a Micromega leader CD using Monster
   >>> Interconnects.
  >>
  >> <fx: nods>
  >>
  >> You really do need to hear Dire Straits as Mr. Knopfler intended.
 >
 >I would guess that that means live? Or would you care to expand.
 >

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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:52:55 -0000, "Richard Wood" <news2 DeleteThis @ukrm.co.uk>
dropped the following oil-slick:
 >
 >A "fuze" is akin to those lifeforms who have nothing better to do than
 >pick spelling mistakes on Usenet posting, proving to all other readers
 >they have no life. Bet 007 doesn't pick on spelling mistakes in Ms
 >bulletins...
 >
So not a merkin circuit-breaker then?
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In article <Xns95A76EE41BB9guinnessisgood.DeleteThis@195.149.20.147>, tallbloke
<spamtrap.DeleteThis@tallbloke.net> writes
 >"platypus" <monotreme.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in news:UZEnd.18885$up1.5384
 >@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk:
 >
  >> Ben Blaney wrote:
   >>> Toby Augh-Nottoby wrote:
   >>>
   >>>>
   >>>> "Ben Blaney" <m7.DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
   >>>> news:9khrp0lf05s292648h3b0bghe45749qkeq@4ax.com...
   >>>>> tallbloke wrote:
   >>>>>
   >>>>>> "Richard Wood" <news2.DeleteThis@ukrm.co.uk> wrote in news:cnjq4l$okv$1
   >>>>>> @server.localdomain:
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>> Why spend 20000 on the rest of the hifi system
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> Good question.
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Lord Guthrie, the ex-chairman of The Arts Council, had a 100k hi-fi.
   >>>>
   >>>> ITYM Lord Gowrie.
   >>>
   >>> Quite right. Why did I have Guthrie in my head?
  >>
  >> You had a woody at the time?
  >>
 >
 >Arlo Arlo, whats going on here then?
 >
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:43:25 +0000, Pip
<pip.TakeThisOut@garageOMITTHISpixies.co.uk> wrote:

  >>Ah yes, then there's bi-wiring ... and then bi-amping ... and then acti.. no,
  >>no, that's madness
 >
 >That's me, that is. Bi-amped Arcam Alpha 10s, bi-wired with
 >multistrand silver wire. I found bi-wiring to make an audible
 >difference, certainly as far as 'headroom' and 'space' around
 >instruments goes; nearly as big a difference as bi-amping.
 >
 >I use the wire because the previous stuff which was about thick enough
 >to jumpstart a supertanker was too bass-heavy and I got a lot of boom
 >- so I found one that was described and reviewed as being drier in
 >sound. Works well, for about 30 quid a metre. Times four. Times
 >five metres ... fuck.

<sums>

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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:39:21 +0000, entwisi <entwisi.RemoveThis@dsl.pipex.com>
wrote:

 >On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:35:22 +0000, simonk wrote:
 >
  >> Worth spending money on, or what? Magazines and websites are full of reviews
  >> about cables and how important it is to audition them, but in the back of my
  >> mind I can't help thinking that it's actually complete bobbins, and that
  >> 13amp mains flex would do fine.
  >>
  >> discuss ...
 >
 >IMHO it is definitely worth doing. I have two systems, a Quad Valve system
 >running 2x Quad II monoblocks with a 22 pre-amp running out to ESL 57s
 >which is a beautiful rich and smooth sound. Wired with Monster cable.
 >
 >For everyday use I have another Quad Pre/Power combo running to floor
 >standing Kefs. These are bi-wired( hopefully soon to be bi-amped as I've
 >got my eye on another quad amp) These are wired with cheapish Supra Rondo
 >as the cables must be hidden (SWMBO) and it means that I needed 25 m of
 >the stuff to go under the floor.
 >
 >Both driven as required from a Micromega leader CD using Monster
 >Interconnects.
 >
 >I used to sell this sort of stuff and whilst there is a load of science
 >behind it there is a tangible difference which I can hear even blind.
 >With all HiFi its only as good as your hearing. If you can hear a
 >difference that you prefer at a cost you are willing to pay then go for
 >it. If you can't don't. I used to tell customers this in the shop.
 >Sometimes they bought, sometimes they didn't. They were all happy that it
 >wasn't being 'forced' on them like a lot of independent dealers do(High
 >profit margin on it!) To try is the only way.

Try not.

Do, or do not.

There is no try.

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