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simonk <me7.DeleteThis@privacy.net> struggled to ejaculate:

 >Mark Derbyshire wrote
  >> simonk <me7.DeleteThis@privacy.net> came forth with the following:

   >>> Worth spending money on, or what? Magazines and websites are full of
   >>> reviews about cables and how important it is to audition them, but in
   >>> the back of my mind I can't help thinking that it's actually complete
   >>> bobbins, and that 13amp mains flex would do fine.

  >> I only noticed a difference when I upgraded to an Arcam Amp, cd player and
  >> KEF speaker. I upgraded the cables (bi-wired) at a later date and *I*
  >> heard no difference. If your're a complete audiophile you probably can
  >> tell the difference
 >
 >Ah yes, then there's bi-wiring ... and then bi-amping ... and then acti.. no,
 >no, that's madness

That's me, that is. Bi-amped Arcam Alpha 10s, bi-wired with
multistrand silver wire. I found bi-wiring to make an audible
difference, certainly as far as 'headroom' and 'space' around
instruments goes; nearly as big a difference as bi-amping.

I use the wire because the previous stuff which was about thick enough
to jumpstart a supertanker was too bass-heavy and I got a lot of boom
- so I found one that was described and reviewed as being drier in
sound. Works well, for about 30 quid a metre. Times four. Times
five metres ... fuck.
 >
  >> They say spend 20% of you're total outlay on cables
 >
 >Sounds like a reasonable rule of thumb - I shall do some sums

You'll hear the effect of interconnects much more obviously that
speaker cable. Once you have your black boxes properly supported and
hooked up, then speaker cable may become an issue.

Having said that, I've used extended cables before - chocolate blocks
and soldered joints and there is definitely a difference and it isn't
a good one. If you get a half-decent cable (and my knowledge of them
is at least five years out of date) then I think you've an excellent
chance of hearing an improvement over the current lash-up.


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simonk wrote:
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 > Worth spending money on, or what? Magazines and websites are full of reviews
 > about cables and how important it is to audition them, but in the back of my
 > mind I can't help thinking that it's actually complete bobbins, and that
 > 13amp mains flex would do fine.
 >
Tasmin Archer tells me that bell wire is just fine.

YMMV.

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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:25:01 GMT, Catman
<catman.RemoveThis@cuore-rustsportivo.co.uk> wrote:

 >platypus wrote:
 >
  >> Catman wrote:
   >>> platypus wrote:
   >>>
   >>>> simonk wrote:
   >>>>> Worth spending money on, or what? Magazines and websites are full
   >>>>> of reviews about cables and how important it is to audition them,
   >>>>> but in the back of my mind I can't help thinking that it's actually
   >>>>> complete bobbins, and that 13amp mains flex would do fine.
   >>>>
   >>>> My brother has worked in studios for about 25 years. He uses
   >>>> twin-and-earth at work.
   >>>>
   >>> Your point is?
  >>
  >> If the people in the industry that actually put the stuff together use
  >> fairly basic cables, then dicking around with low-oxygen 87-strand
  >> gold-plated shit is perhaps a touch precious. You'll be spending all your
  >> time trying to hear the cables.
 >
 >Or they are looking for something different from their cable? It's not
 >*quite* that cut and dired.
 >
  >> That being said, sometime in the late '80s one of the mags - probably
  >> Hi-fi Choice - did a big cable test, and included bell wire, OEM shit, and
  >> T&E. The T&E actually gave a good account of itself, and rated higher than
  >> some
  >> serious audiophile stuff. Which, at 35p a metre, got it a rock-solid Best
  >> Buy.
 >
 >As ever was. For the money, it's prolly the best there is (and better than
 >many more expensive ones). IME a moderate investment can pay dividends,
 >but it's certainly not something I spend time trying to hear

Hasn't anyone ever injected white noise in one end of speaker cables
and done a FFT analysis of the output?

Wouldn't that prove the relative merits of the cables?

I can imagine the posh cable manufacturers not being keen, but I'm
always happier relying on repeatable quantifiable analysis than the
opinions of the cognoscenti.
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ogden wrote
 > simonk wrote:
  >>
  >> Worth spending money on, or what? Magazines and websites are full of
  >> reviews
  >> about cables and how important it is to audition them, but in the back of my
  >> mind I can't help thinking that it's actually complete bobbins, and that
  >> 13amp mains flex would do fine.
  >>
 > Tasmin Archer tells me that bell wire is just fine.
 >
 > YMMV.

I think it might struggle under the strain of my extensive collection of
extreme Icelandic GabbaCore

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simonk wrote:
 >
 > ogden wrote
  > > simonk wrote:
   > >>
   > >> Worth spending money on, or what? Magazines and websites are full of
   > >> reviews
   > >> about cables and how important it is to audition them, but in the back of my
   > >> mind I can't help thinking that it's actually complete bobbins, and that
   > >> 13amp mains flex would do fine.
   > >>
  > > Tasmin Archer tells me that bell wire is just fine.
  > >
  > > YMMV.
 >
 > I think it might struggle under the strain of my extensive collection of
 > extreme Icelandic GabbaCore
 >
That may be an issue 0.00000000000000000000000001% of the time, but when
you're listening to your extensive M People collection, it's less likely
to be a problem.

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simonk wrote:
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 > I'm thinking of replacing mine because they were built into the woodwork of
 > the flat by the previous occupant. The cable looks reasonably thick, but
 > I've no idea what it is, and because the bit that pokes out of the woodwork
 > is a bit short, I've had to extend it with mains connector blocks. It's not
 > ideal by any means - didn't care so much with the previous Richer Sounds
 > stuff but since I upgraded I reckoned "something must be done"
 >
Seriously, bits of metal wrapped in plastic have come on *really* far
in the last 5 or 6 years, and if you don't upgrade now you're an idiot.

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It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember simonk <me7 RemoveThis @privacy.net> saying
something like:

 >Worth spending money on, or what? Magazines and websites are full of reviews
 >about cables and how important it is to audition them, but in the back of my
 >mind I can't help thinking that it's actually complete bobbins, and that
 >13amp mains flex would do fine.

Poisonally I use a decent mains cable. I have been known to buy pukka
speaker cable, but I don't subscribe to the 'oxygen-free' bollocks.
Ordinary speaker cable of decent spec will do.

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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:35:22 +0000, simonk <me7.RemoveThis@privacy.net> dropped
the following oil-slick:

 >Worth spending money on, or what? Magazines and websites are full of reviews
 >about cables and how important it is to audition them, but in the back of my
 >mind I can't help thinking that it's actually complete bobbins, and that
 >13amp mains flex would do fine.
 >
It tosh. Hi Fi Answers were the main culprits for this bullshit in
the 1970/80's. They blew their cover when one reviewer claimed that
having a separate power supply for his system, isolated from the rest
of the house, made a difference. To his credit, I don't think he
claimed it was connected to a different National Grid.

One theory is that a system sounds different/better when you change
interconnects is because the simple act of unplugging/plugging them in
cleans up the contacts and hence reduces signal loss.
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simonk wrote
 >Worth spending money on, or what? Magazines and websites are full of reviews
 >about cables and how important it is to audition them, but in the back of my
 >mind I can't help thinking that it's actually complete bobbins, and that
 >13amp mains flex would do fine.
 >
 >discuss ...

In some respects I am grateful for the part that an early diet of loud
rock music and the fact that my mum could never afford a hanky has
played in later life.



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It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember gomez <adams_gomez.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
saying something like:

 >One theory is that a system sounds different/better when you change
 >interconnects is because the simple act of unplugging/plugging them in
 >cleans up the contacts and hence reduces signal loss.

I'd go with that - I think it's worth buying gold-plated connectors, but
from CPC, not the HiFi shop.

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simonk wrote:

 > Worth spending money on, or what? Magazines and websites are full of reviews
 > about cables and how important it is to audition them, but in the back of my
 > mind I can't help thinking that it's actually complete bobbins, and that
 > 13amp mains flex would do fine.
 >
 > discuss ...

It's all bollocks.

As long as the resistance of the cables is less than 5% of the speaker
impedance then nobody can tell the difference between lamp flex
and pure snake oil. And all copper is OFC.

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Mark Derbyshire wrote:

 > They say spend 20% of you're total outlay on cables

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"Eiron" <e1ron RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message news:305644F2t7incU2@uni-berlin.de...
 > Mark Derbyshire wrote:
 >
  > > They say spend 20% of you're total outlay on cables
 >
 > "They" either have shares in a cable company
 > or are fucking idiots.

Why spend £20000 on the rest of the hifi system to ruin it by
spending £10 on the interconnects?

Would you buy a £1 million F1 car and drive it on a £250 dirt track?



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