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Colin
I understand from Tech SUpp that 1Mb customers will be upgraded to 2Mb "in
March" at no extra cost, otherwise I would be moving too. As for limits
(other replies to the original post) I understand I have a 10Gb limit on the
new newserver only (which hasn't been a problem despite the fact that I do
subscribe to some binaries) and am uncapped on other downloads. I have the
Business 500 account that costs around £25pm.
The new newserver nntp is very good as it had a wider spread of groups that
the standard pipex ones, for those less well known groups that you may
asprire to.
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Bear wrote:

 > In article <xn0dz8yw4whlvb00q RemoveThis @news.individual.net>, Simon Atkinson
 > says...
  > > Bear wrote:
  > >
   > > > In article <xn0dz8ybkvt0o300f RemoveThis @news.individual.net>, Simon
   > > > Atkinson says...
   > > > > Bear wrote:
   > > >
   > > > > > Their "technical support" unit are neither technical, nor
   > > > > > supportive, though, and the porky-telling only annoys. I'd
   > > > > > rather they were honest about stuff.
   > > > >
   > > > > I always find that with tech support, so don't ring them. Ask a
   > > > > mate - it's for the best.
   > > >
   > > > I can't very well ask a mate when they intend to get their binary
   > > > server actually working, now can I?
  > >
  > > True... Couldn't you just rent films from Blockbusters?
 >
 > lol.
 >
 > Fuck. Off. You. Cunt.
 >
 >

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Ginge barfed:

 > In article <xn0dz8s92ngdwv001.DeleteThis@news.individual.net>, Simon Atkinson
 > says...
  > > Ginge wrote:
  > >
   > > > In article <xn0dz8pzakgemt006.DeleteThis@news.individual.net>, Simon
   > > > Atkinson says...
 >
   > > > > Same here - I'd be tempted by the 1Mb offering from Pipex if
   > > > > they offered a static IP in the price - but they don't so I
   > > > > wont.
   > > >
   > > > Zen are my other choice, but I don't like the fact they only give
   > > > one Pop3 mailbox on an account.
  > >
  > > Fair enough - I don't use their mail system as I've got my own.
 >
 > Hmm, Actually with static IP's I could do that.
 >
 > Unless the line went down, and I was away from home.
 >
 > That would be a bit pants.

I've done my own email, news, ftp, http, blabla for the past 5 years or
so. Had a couple of small problems with things going phut, always
happens when you're on holiday of course, but just write a couple of
shell scripts to reboot the machine if things go AWOL, or reboot the
router if it can't auto-reconnect in 15 minutes.

Having a handy nephew living 5 minutes away who can come round and
press the 'BRB' on whatever needs kicking has helped a couple of times
too



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Bear barfed:

 > The connection itself is fine, yes. But a connection is only about
 > 30% of the service itself, IYSWIM.

No, Zen is generally viewed as the type of ISP who primarily provide a
damn good, reliable connection for users who are technically savvy and
generally don't need tech support. Email/news is secondary. Or was
anyway, I think they're getting popular and are concentrating on
email/news sides of things to become more "AOL"ish, unfortunately IMHO.

  > > They don't force you to buy their stuff.
 >
 > No, but they did mislead me as to the price I'd be likely to find
 > elsewhere; I realise that's my lookout, but it still annoys.

Have you complained about the person who lied to you? I'm damn sure
that the boss(es) would like to hear about any of their sales sheep who
are deliberately lying to gain sales.

  > > Personally, if I was going to be
   > > > here for a while I'd dump them and get someone good,
  > >
  > > Like who? I'm genuinely interested btw.
 >
 > Well I haven't looked around yet, but there are lots of ISPs around
 > these days. I'll happily let you know what I discover when I look
 > into it.

Used PlusNet, Demon and a few other small ISPs before Zen. Their
connectivity, news and email were fucking dire (not all for all ISPs
obviously, but still bad). Being on the User Forum Committee with
access to the manager of Force9 opened my eyes to the growing pains of
all ISPs though.



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Ferger barfed:

 > Ginge secured a place in history by writing:
 >
  > > Any good?
  > >
  > > I'm thinking of moving ISP.
 >
 > PlusNet. Moved to them from Pipex after a 'billing dispute' (seems
 > to end my relationship with every ISP at the moment). Usenet is
 > fantastic (haven't tried binaries though), their portal is the best
 > I've seen and at the moment I am paying £17pm odd for a 2Mb
 > connection with a 3Gb cap [1] - but you can slice and dice the
 > service as you want. They seem to have techies who actually know
 > what they're doing and are very transparent in all their background
 > activity. Plus they're committed to giving everyone 8Mb under new BT
 > wholesale plans in the near future for no cost, if the line will
 > support it - they're much further down the inevitable 'charge for
 > download' pricing model than others. They're not Which's Best Buy ISP
 > for nothing [2]

Why on earth are people happy to move back to "charge per Mb download"?
God, 28.8Kbps modems for goalposts and all that...

Oh, and did you know you're all guinea pigs? PlusNet are tied in with
BT as one of BT premier partners or something like that, meaning they
get to test out things like the 8Mb service first, i.e. fix all the
problems amid the wailing and gnashing of users teeth



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 > Why on earth are people happy to move back to "charge per Mb download"?
 > God, 28.8Kbps modems for goalposts and all that...

In my case, because that's how the ISP pays for it and it suits my usage
pattern, so I am more than happy to have the ISP's saving passed on. I
don't pay for anything else on the bandwidth model, doesn't seem
particularly rational to me. Increasingly, bandwidth is an irrelevance
anyway.

 > Oh, and did you know you're all guinea pigs? PlusNet are tied in with
 > BT as one of BT premier partners or something like that, meaning they
 > get to test out things like the 8Mb service first, i.e. fix all the
 > problems amid the wailing and gnashing of users teeth

Correct - but the upgrade will be at the customer's choice. If you're with
Plusnet, you can choose to be a guinea pig, anyone else and you'll just
have to wait. Don't really see a downside personally...

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In article <d04806$mpr$1@server.localdomain>, Lord Frag says...
 > Bear barfed:
 >
  > > The connection itself is fine, yes. But a connection is only about
  > > 30% of the service itself, IYSWIM.
 >
 > No, Zen is generally viewed as the type of ISP who primarily provide a
 > damn good, reliable connection for users who are technically savvy and
 > generally don't need tech support. Email/news is secondary. Or was
 > anyway, I think they're getting popular and are concentrating on
 > email/news sides of things to become more "AOL"ish, unfortunately IMHO.

I think that's a fair summation.

   > > > They don't force you to buy their stuff.
  > >
  > > No, but they did mislead me as to the price I'd be likely to find
  > > elsewhere; I realise that's my lookout, but it still annoys.
 >
 > Have you complained about the person who lied to you? I'm damn sure
 > that the boss(es) would like to hear about any of their sales sheep who
 > are deliberately lying to gain sales.

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

*choke*

Sorry, just wiping the tears from my eyes, won't be a moment.

(in other words, "yes, I have")

   > > > Personally, if I was going to be
   > > > > here for a while I'd dump them and get someone good,
   > > >
   > > > Like who? I'm genuinely interested btw.
  > >
  > > Well I haven't looked around yet, but there are lots of ISPs around
  > > these days. I'll happily let you know what I discover when I look
  > > into it.
 >
 > Used PlusNet, Demon and a few other small ISPs before Zen. Their
 > connectivity, news and email were fucking dire (not all for all ISPs
 > obviously, but still bad). Being on the User Forum Committee with
 > access to the manager of Force9 opened my eyes to the growing pains of
 > all ISPs though.

That's the vague worry I had; that they constitute the best that's
around ATM.
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In article <xn0dz9nxi3dv8000.DeleteThis@news.individual.net>, Simon Atkinson
says...
 > Bear wrote:
 >
  > > In article <xn0dz8yw4whlvb00q.DeleteThis@news.individual.net>, Simon Atkinson
  > > says...
   > > > Bear wrote:
   > > >
   > > > > In article <xn0dz8ybkvt0o300f.DeleteThis@news.individual.net>, Simon
   > > > > Atkinson says...
   > > > > > Bear wrote:
   > > > >
   > > > > > > Their "technical support" unit are neither technical, nor
   > > > > > > supportive, though, and the porky-telling only annoys. I'd
   > > > > > > rather they were honest about stuff.
   > > > > >
   > > > > > I always find that with tech support, so don't ring them. Ask a
   > > > > > mate - it's for the best.
   > > > >
   > > > > I can't very well ask a mate when they intend to get their binary
   > > > > server actually working, now can I?
   > > >
   > > > True... Couldn't you just rent films from Blockbusters?
  > >
  > > lol.
  > >
  > > Fuck. Off. You. Cunt.
  > >
  > >
 >
 > Have a nice day!

You too [1]

[1] actually, it's unlikely in my case, as I've somehow allowed myself
to be talked into going for an interview today for a job I don't want,
with an employer I don't want to work for, in a location I don't want to
live in. I'm working on the theory that any agent that good at
convincing people must be worth keeping sweet
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In article <MPG.1c8fbdb0e746de7989a45 DeleteThis @news.individual.de>, Bear says...
 > I've somehow allowed myself
 > to be talked into going for an interview today for a job I don't want,
 > with an employer I don't want to work for, in a location I don't want to
 > live in

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 17:37:24 GMT, "Simon Atkinson" <me9.TakeThisOut@privacy.net>
allegedly wrote:

 > I think 6.50ukp per year is OK - NIN have put enough in over the years
 > that it's only fair we chip in a bit towards the costs.

It's not a lot of money, but is it value for money? If I switch back to
the crappy BT one, I'll get 95% of the posts, and the occassional complete
renumbering of articles. Then the question is, is a realiable feed worth
10 Euros to me.

 > It's only a matter of time before free servers disappear altogether
 > isn't it.

I suspect that you may be right. I'd like to think that in the battle of
the ISPs, there is incentive to offer the best services per pound.
However, usenet users are surely a small minority group, and therefore not
necessarily going to be catered for. If I ran an ISP, I'm not sure I
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In article <MPG.1c8fc10712293d4a98988a DeleteThis @news.individual.net>, Ginge
says...
 > In article <MPG.1c8fbdb0e746de7989a45 DeleteThis @news.individual.de>, Bear says...
  > > I've somehow allowed myself
  > > to be talked into going for an interview today for a job I don't want,
  > > with an employer I don't want to work for, in a location I don't want to
  > > live in
 >
 > Best of luck, so long as it's not Hull you'll be ok.

It's only a short-term contract, so don't go getting your hopes up
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On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:25:25 -0000, Ginge <me2 RemoveThis @privacy.net> wrote:

 >In article <MPG.1c8fbdb0e746de7989a45 RemoveThis @news.individual.de>, Bear says...
  >> I've somehow allowed myself
  >> to be talked into going for an interview today for a job I don't want,
  >> with an employer I don't want to work for, in a location I don't want to
  >> live in
 >
 >Best of luck, so long as it's not Hull you'll be ok.

You've been to Hull and Back?
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 > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:25:25 -0000, Ginge <me2.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote:
 >
  > >In article <MPG.1c8fbdb0e746de7989a45.RemoveThis@news.individual.de>, Bear says...
   > >> I've somehow allowed myself
   > >> to be talked into going for an interview today for a job I don't want,
   > >> with an employer I don't want to work for, in a location I don't want to
   > >> live in
  > >
  > >Best of luck, so long as it's not Hull you'll be ok.
 >
 > You've been to Hull and Back?

Yeah....

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