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> On Sep 27, 3:21 pm, Vaughn <vbra....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hurray for 2CT
>> technology! Thus far I recommend this tire combination.
>
> Bridgestone's been doing dual compound technology since the BT56.
>


The 919 came with 56's in '03, they were all right, but when I
switched to BT14 it was a revelation. The bike felt a lot more settled
in corners, and handles fine in the rain.


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On Sep 27, 12:21 pm, Vaughn <vbra....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> For new tires on my Triumph 675 Spitfire, I went with a Pilot Power
> out front to maintain maximum traction and turn-in, and decided to try
> the new Michelin Pilot Road2 on the rear.
>
> The PR2 is proving to be an excellent tire. Warms up quickly, holds a
> line under acceleration very well, and feels good on wet surfaces.
> Basically, it feels just like a PP out back when leaning the bike over
> (it is the same rubber after all), but promises longer mileage.
>
> We'll see how long it lasts, I'm hoping for at least 4000 miles. The
> PP rears only last about 2500 secure miles in my experience on the
> 675. (Some might push it further, but I don't.)
>
> The only downside might be the price, the rear in 180/55 retails for
> US $247, but I found one for $191. If the longevity claims prove
> true, then that will prove to be a good investment. Hurray for 2CT
> technology! Thus far I recommend this tire combination.
>
> Here's some of their marketing lit, if you are curious:
>
> Michelin is launching a new tire designed for Roadster (BMW R1200R,
> Ducati Monster, Honda Hornet, Yamaha FZ1...) and Sport-GT motorcycles
> (BMW R1200 ST, Honda VFR 800, Yamaha FJR 1300...).
>
> The new tire called Michelin Pilot Road 2 is being launched on a
> growth market that has showed a 115% increase since 1998.
>
> Various tests* have been realized this year by an independent testing
> center (CERM) and confirmed that this new tire provides enhanced
> longevity and grip on wet surfaces compared to its main competitors.
> Like Power Race and Pilot Power 2CT tires, the Michelin Pilot Road 2
> uses the dual rubber technology developed as a result of involvement
> with MotoGP motor racing, and which means that a soft rubber compound
> is used on tire shoulders for improved grip and safety, together with
> a hard rubber compound in the center for greater durability.
>
> Michelin Pilot Road 2 will be on the market as of January 2007 in
> Australia, Brazil, Japan and Europe (except Germany), and as of May
> 2007 in Germany and September 2007 in the United States.
>
> Best grip on wet surfaces**, confirmed by an independent testing
> center*
>
> 1st Michelin Pilot Road 2
> 2nd Pirelli Diablo Strada
> 3rd Metzeler Roadtec Z6
> 4th Continental Road Attack
> 5th Dunlop D220 ST
> 6th Bridgestone BT-021
> 7th Bridgestone BT-020
>
> Greatest longevity**, confirmed by an independent testing center*
>
> 1st Michelin Pilot Road 2
> 2nd Bridgestone BT-020
> 2nd Dunlop D220 ST
> 4th Pirelli Diablo Strada
> 5th Bridgestone BT-021
> 5th Metzeler Roadtec Z6
> 5th Continental Road Attack
>
> * Tests carried out in 2006 by CERM (Centre d'Essais Routiers
> Mécaniques) with Michelin Pilot Road 2 tires and its 6 main
> competitors in the same category, 120/70 ZR 17 and 180/55 ZR 17
> sizes.
> ** Compared to its 6 main competitors in the same category.

Being in relatively dry Arizona we seldom have to ride in the rain
unless by choice. That said, my tire choice is the economical
Bridgestone 020R. 021R and stickier 014F @ about $200 for a pair
(frequently on sale) and still decent in the rain from my experience.

Your 675 comes shod with Diablo Corsa's, (no tread to the edge of the
tire) I believe (piss poor rain tire but good for the track).
Frankly... and I'm a big Triumph fan, having a hard ridden Sprint for
6 year with narry a big problem, I found the 675 with it's 33.5" seat
height & extremely low bars to be a bit much of a race bike for mainly
street riding.

I've friends in our group with three of them now (mostly 40-50's
dudes who use them as track bikes)and they also have mixed feelings
about the bike as would any older R6, ZX6R, CBR600RR, 749 or GSXR600
owner's who have no track intentions for their bikes. For Canyon duty,
a full liter bike would be better as you don't have to work the
shifter so much (second & third gear only) so the 600SS is a niche
market for the new rider under 25 with high insurance costs and
limited income. I know it sounds bigoted towards this class of bikes
but they are biased solely for track duty with street lighting or
kinda like sticking lights on a CRF450X MotoCrossser and riding it on
the street.
End rant:)

Bob Nixon.
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On Sep 27, 2:21 pm, Vaughn <vbra....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> For new tires on my Triumph 675 Spitfire, I went with a Pilot Power
> out front to maintain maximum traction and turn-in, and decided to try
> the new Michelin Pilot Road2 on the rear.

Nice review, and timely as well. I just put a set of PR2 tires on my
ZZR yesterday, and thus far am quite pleased.

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>> On Sep 27, 3:21 pm, Vaughn <vbra....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hurray for 2CT
>>> technology! Thus far I recommend this tire combination.
>>
>> Bridgestone's been doing dual compound technology since the BT56.
>>
>
>
> The 919 came with 56's in '03, they were all right, but when I switched
> to BT14 it was a revelation. The bike felt a lot more settled in corners,
> and handles fine in the rain.
>
>
Yeah the 014 is the younger sibling to the BT-56 using newer dual compound
technology.
I run them on the Speed Triple.

My whole point was that the Michelin 2CT technology isn't some new
revelation, the concept is as old a dirt now.


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On Sep 28, 12:36 pm, Vaughn <vbra....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 1:22 pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 12:21 pm, Vaughn <vbra....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > For new tires on my Triumph 675 Spitfire, I went with a Pilot Power
> > > out front to maintain maximum traction and turn-in, and decided to try
> > > the new Michelin Pilot Road2 on the rear.
>
> > > The PR2 is proving to be an excellent tire. Warms up quickly, holds a
> > > line under acceleration very well, and feels good on wet surfaces.
> > > Basically, it feels just like a PP out back when leaning the bike over
> > > (it is the same rubber after all), but promises longer mileage.
>
> > > We'll see how long it lasts, I'm hoping for at least 4000 miles. The
> > > PP rears only last about 2500 secure miles in my experience on the
> > > 675. (Some might push it further, but I don't.)
>
> > > The only downside might be the price, the rear in 180/55 retails for
> > > US $247, but I found one for $191. If the longevity claims prove
> > > true, then that will prove to be a good investment. Hurray for 2CT
> > > technology! Thus far I recommend this tire combination.
>
> > > Here's some of their marketing lit, if you are curious:
>
> > > Michelin is launching a new tire designed for Roadster (BMW R1200R,
> > > Ducati Monster, Honda Hornet, Yamaha FZ1...) and Sport-GT motorcycles
> > > (BMW R1200 ST, Honda VFR 800, Yamaha FJR 1300...).
>
> > > The new tire called Michelin Pilot Road 2 is being launched on a
> > > growth market that has showed a 115% increase since 1998.
>
> > > Various tests* have been realized this year by an independent testing
> > > center (CERM) and confirmed that this new tire provides enhanced
> > > longevity and grip on wet surfaces compared to its main competitors.
> > > Like Power Race and Pilot Power 2CT tires, the Michelin Pilot Road 2
> > > uses the dual rubber technology developed as a result of involvement
> > > with MotoGP motor racing, and which means that a soft rubber compound
> > > is used on tire shoulders for improved grip and safety, together with
> > > a hard rubber compound in the center for greater durability.
>
> > > Michelin Pilot Road 2 will be on the market as of January 2007 in
> > > Australia, Brazil, Japan and Europe (except Germany), and as of May
> > > 2007 in Germany and September 2007 in the United States.
>
> > > Best grip on wet surfaces**, confirmed by an independent testing
> > > center*
>
> > > 1st Michelin Pilot Road 2
> > > 2nd Pirelli Diablo Strada
> > > 3rd Metzeler Roadtec Z6
> > > 4th Continental Road Attack
> > > 5th Dunlop D220 ST
> > > 6th Bridgestone BT-021
> > > 7th Bridgestone BT-020
>
> > > Greatest longevity**, confirmed by an independent testing center*
>
> > > 1st Michelin Pilot Road 2
> > > 2nd Bridgestone BT-020
> > > 2nd Dunlop D220 ST
> > > 4th Pirelli Diablo Strada
> > > 5th Bridgestone BT-021
> > > 5th Metzeler Roadtec Z6
> > > 5th Continental Road Attack
>
> > > * Tests carried out in 2006 by CERM (Centre d'Essais Routiers
> > > Mécaniques) with Michelin Pilot Road 2 tires and its 6 main
> > > competitors in the same category, 120/70 ZR 17 and 180/55 ZR 17
> > > sizes.
> > > ** Compared to its 6 main competitors in the same category.
>
> > Being in relatively dry Arizona we seldom have to ride in the rain
> > unless by choice. That said, my tire choice is the economical
> > Bridgestone 020R. 021R and stickier 014F @ about $200 for a pair
> > (frequently on sale) and still decent in the rain from my experience.
>
> > Your 675 comes shod with Diablo Corsa's, (no tread to the edge of the
> > tire) I believe (piss poor rain tire but good for the track).
> > Frankly... and I'm a big Triumph fan, having a hard ridden Sprint for
> > 6 year with narry a big problem, I found the 675 with it's 33.5" seat
> > height & extremely low bars to be a bit much of a race bike for mainly
> > street riding.
>
> > I've friends in our group with three of them now (mostly 40-50's
> > dudes who use them as track bikes)and they also have mixed feelings
> > about the bike as would any older R6, ZX6R, CBR600RR, 749 or GSXR600
> > owner's who have no track intentions for their bikes. For Canyon duty,
> > a full liter bike would be better as you don't have to work the
> > shifter so much (second & third gear only) so the 600SS is a niche
> > market for the new rider under 25 with high insurance costs and
> > limited income. I know it sounds bigoted towards this class of bikes
> > but they are biased solely for track duty with street lighting or
> > kinda like sticking lights on a CRF450X MotoCrossser and riding it on
> > the street.
> > End rant:)
>
> > Bob Nixon.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I agree, it is a track bike by design. Supersports in general don't
> make a lot of sense as street bikes to me either, but I'd tend to say
> they make more sense then sport focused litre bikes do on the
> street...!
>
> And it did come with the Diablo Corsa tires, though I never got to try
> those as I got mine salvage with a totalled front end, and after
> restoring it I went right to Powers F/R. I got mine for $4300, put
> $2000 in parts into it, doing the labor myself, for an upgraded and
> custom 675 "Spitfire." I left the sidepanels off because I like open
> engine aesthetics, upgraded to galfer wave rotors and better fork
> internals. Basically, I bought it for the engine and chassis.

I'd forgotten you bought your 675 salvaged. Good for you! You're
getting a jump on the Street triple thing:)

> And while I do have more track aspirations as finances allow - for now
> it is primarily a weekend or early afternoon sportbike for me.
> However, my vision of it is quite different than a stock daytona, I'm
> shooting for something with daytona genetics morphed into a very
> sporting Street Triple-like semi-standard with some medium touring
> ability (cause I didn't want to wait for the Street Triple either!).
> I have an ADV/ST bike for distance, exploration, and comfort, so the
> 675 doesn't need to fill all roles. But I've put 600 mile days on it,
> and with a double bubble windscreen and a gel seat, sheepskin pad,
> tank and tail bags, it isn't bad in the Sport Touring role.

Yup, good engine, frame and such. I'll sure be glad when that Street
triple gets ironed out.

> And presently, my next mod is to install Heli Tracstar clip-ons for
> added comfort and leverage. The stock clip-ons don't quite work for
> me, they are too aggressive and forward leaning most of the time.
> However, I'm a bit concerned about the Heli bars as they are single
> piece aluminum clip-ons, and one low side at the track could be an
> expensive mistake.
>
> And regarding the tires, if there is any one MC item I have always
> decided is worth spending a bit more on, it is tires. And $320 a pair
> ($190 PR2 rear + $130 PP front) with an estimated 4000-6000 miles of
> hard riding use isn't too bad for added traction and confidence, IMO.- Hide quoted text -

I've had good luck with the Stones & never have gone down due to loss
of traction on the street. I used M1 Sporttecs & Metzler race tires
for the track on the Sprint & GSXR1000. The M1's I wouldn't recomend
for more than 1500 miles on the front's as they start sliding under
the worst conditions.

> - Show quoted text -

Bob Nixon.
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On Sep 28, 4:57 pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 12:36 pm, Vaughn <vbra....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 28, 1:22 pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 27, 12:21 pm, Vaughn <vbra....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > For new tires on my Triumph 675 Spitfire, I went with a Pilot Power
> > > > out front to maintain maximum traction and turn-in, and decided to try
> > > > the new Michelin Pilot Road2 on the rear.
>
> > > > The PR2 is proving to be an excellent tire. Warms up quickly, holds a
> > > > line under acceleration very well, and feels good on wet surfaces.
> > > > Basically, it feels just like a PP out back when leaning the bike over
> > > > (it is the same rubber after all), but promises longer mileage.
>
> > > > We'll see how long it lasts, I'm hoping for at least 4000 miles. The
> > > > PP rears only last about 2500 secure miles in my experience on the
> > > > 675. (Some might push it further, but I don't.)
>
> > > > The only downside might be the price, the rear in 180/55 retails for
> > > > US $247, but I found one for $191. If the longevity claims prove
> > > > true, then that will prove to be a good investment. Hurray for 2CT
> > > > technology! Thus far I recommend this tire combination.
>
> > > > Here's some of their marketing lit, if you are curious:
>
> > > > Michelin is launching a new tire designed for Roadster (BMW R1200R,
> > > > Ducati Monster, Honda Hornet, Yamaha FZ1...) and Sport-GT motorcycles
> > > > (BMW R1200 ST, Honda VFR 800, Yamaha FJR 1300...).
>
> > > > The new tire called Michelin Pilot Road 2 is being launched on a
> > > > growth market that has showed a 115% increase since 1998.
>
> > > > Various tests* have been realized this year by an independent testing
> > > > center (CERM) and confirmed that this new tire provides enhanced
> > > > longevity and grip on wet surfaces compared to its main competitors.
> > > > Like Power Race and Pilot Power 2CT tires, the Michelin Pilot Road 2
> > > > uses the dual rubber technology developed as a result of involvement
> > > > with MotoGP motor racing, and which means that a soft rubber compound
> > > > is used on tire shoulders for improved grip and safety, together with
> > > > a hard rubber compound in the center for greater durability.
>
> > > > Michelin Pilot Road 2 will be on the market as of January 2007 in
> > > > Australia, Brazil, Japan and Europe (except Germany), and as of May
> > > > 2007 in Germany and September 2007 in the United States.
>
> > > > Best grip on wet surfaces**, confirmed by an independent testing
> > > > center*
>
> > > > 1st Michelin Pilot Road 2
> > > > 2nd Pirelli Diablo Strada
> > > > 3rd Metzeler Roadtec Z6
> > > > 4th Continental Road Attack
> > > > 5th Dunlop D220 ST
> > > > 6th Bridgestone BT-021
> > > > 7th Bridgestone BT-020
>
> > > > Greatest longevity**, confirmed by an independent testing center*
>
> > > > 1st Michelin Pilot Road 2
> > > > 2nd Bridgestone BT-020
> > > > 2nd Dunlop D220 ST
> > > > 4th Pirelli Diablo Strada
> > > > 5th Bridgestone BT-021
> > > > 5th Metzeler Roadtec Z6
> > > > 5th Continental Road Attack
>
> > > > * Tests carried out in 2006 by CERM (Centre d'Essais Routiers
> > > > Mécaniques) with Michelin Pilot Road 2 tires and its 6 main
> > > > competitors in the same category, 120/70 ZR 17 and 180/55 ZR 17
> > > > sizes.
> > > > ** Compared to its 6 main competitors in the same category.
>
> > > Being in relatively dry Arizona we seldom have to ride in the rain
> > > unless by choice. That said, my tire choice is the economical
> > > Bridgestone 020R. 021R and stickier 014F @ about $200 for a pair
> > > (frequently on sale) and still decent in the rain from my experience.
>
> > > Your 675 comes shod with Diablo Corsa's, (no tread to the edge of the
> > > tire) I believe (piss poor rain tire but good for the track).
> > > Frankly... and I'm a big Triumph fan, having a hard ridden Sprint for
> > > 6 year with narry a big problem, I found the 675 with it's 33.5" seat
> > > height & extremely low bars to be a bit much of a race bike for mainly
> > > street riding.
>
> > > I've friends in our group with three of them now (mostly 40-50's
> > > dudes who use them as track bikes)and they also have mixed feelings
> > > about the bike as would any older R6, ZX6R, CBR600RR, 749 or GSXR600
> > > owner's who have no track intentions for their bikes. For Canyon duty,
> > > a full liter bike would be better as you don't have to work the
> > > shifter so much (second & third gear only) so the 600SS is a niche
> > > market for the new rider under 25 with high insurance costs and
> > > limited income. I know it sounds bigoted towards this class of bikes
> > > but they are biased solely for track duty with street lighting or
> > > kinda like sticking lights on a CRF450X MotoCrossser and riding it on
> > > the street.
> > > End rant:)
>
> > > Bob Nixon.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I agree, it is a track bike by design. Supersports in general don't
> > make a lot of sense as street bikes to me either, but I'd tend to say
> > they make more sense then sport focused litre bikes do on the
> > street...!
>
> > And it did come with the Diablo Corsa tires, though I never got to try
> > those as I got mine salvage with a totalled front end, and after
> > restoring it I went right to Powers F/R. I got mine for $4300, put
> > $2000 in parts into it, doing the labor myself, for an upgraded and
> > custom 675 "Spitfire." I left the sidepanels off because I like open
> > engine aesthetics, upgraded to galfer wave rotors and better fork
> > internals. Basically, I bought it for the engine and chassis.
>
> I'd forgotten you bought your 675 salvaged. Good for you! You're
> getting a jump on the Street triple thing:)
>
> > And while I do have more track aspirations as finances allow - for now
> > it is primarily a weekend or early afternoon sportbike for me.
> > However, my vision of it is quite different than a stock daytona, I'm
> > shooting for something with daytona genetics morphed into a very
> > sporting Street Triple-like semi-standard with some medium touring
> > ability (cause I didn't want to wait for the Street Triple either!).
> > I have an ADV/ST bike for distance, exploration, and comfort, so the
> > 675 doesn't need to fill all roles. But I've put 600 mile days on it,
> > and with a double bubble windscreen and a gel seat, sheepskin pad,
> > tank and tail bags, it isn't bad in the Sport Touring role.
>
> Yup, good engine, frame and such. I'll sure be glad when that Street
> triple gets ironed out.
>
> > And presently, my next mod is to install Heli Tracstar clip-ons for
> > added comfort and leverage. The stock clip-ons don't quite work for
> > me, they are too aggressive and forward leaning most of the time.
> > However, I'm a bit concerned about the Heli bars as they are single
> > piece aluminum clip-ons, and one low side at the track could be an
> > expensive mistake.
>
> > And regarding the tires, if there is any one MC item I have always
> > decided is worth spending a bit more on, it is tires. And $320 a pair
> > ($190 PR2 rear + $130 PP front) with an estimated 4000-6000 miles of
> > hard riding use isn't too bad for added traction and confidence, IMO.- Hide quoted text -
>
> I've had good luck with the Stones & never have gone down due to loss
> of traction on the street. I used M1 Sporttecs & Metzler race tires
> for the track on the Sprint & GSXR1000. The M1's I wouldn't recomend
> for more than 1500 miles on the front's as they start sliding under
> the worst conditions.

I agree that in warm dry conditions, even 020s are sufficient for
about anything you can throw at them at near street legal speeds.

But 014s and 021s are both bad cold weather tires and the 021 is no
peach in the water either. The 020 is just slightly better than Avons
which may as well be made of soap. For my money, the PPs are superior
to any of those in everyway. And now they come with hard rubber down
the middle, yippie! I'll have to wait for a good sale though. Them
Frenchies don't work their 32 hour weeks inexpensively.
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On Sep 28, 1:22 pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 27, 12:21 pm, Vaughn <vbra....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > For new tires on my Triumph 675 Spitfire, I went with a Pilot Power
> > out front to maintain maximum traction and turn-in, and decided to try
> > the new Michelin Pilot Road2 on the rear.
>
> > The PR2 is proving to be an excellent tire. Warms up quickly, holds a
> > line under acceleration very well, and feels good on wet surfaces.
> > Basically, it feels just like a PP out back when leaning the bike over
> > (it is the same rubber after all), but promises longer mileage.
>
> > We'll see how long it lasts, I'm hoping for at least 4000 miles. The
> > PP rears only last about 2500 secure miles in my experience on the
> > 675. (Some might push it further, but I don't.)
>
> > The only downside might be the price, the rear in 180/55 retails for
> > US $247, but I found one for $191. If the longevity claims prove
> > true, then that will prove to be a good investment. Hurray for 2CT
> > technology! Thus far I recommend this tire combination.
>
> > Here's some of their marketing lit, if you are curious:
>
> > Michelin is launching a new tire designed for Roadster (BMW R1200R,
> > Ducati Monster, Honda Hornet, Yamaha FZ1...) and Sport-GT motorcycles
> > (BMW R1200 ST, Honda VFR 800, Yamaha FJR 1300...).
>
> > The new tire called Michelin Pilot Road 2 is being launched on a
> > growth market that has showed a 115% increase since 1998.
>
> > Various tests* have been realized this year by an independent testing
> > center (CERM) and confirmed that this new tire provides enhanced
> > longevity and grip on wet surfaces compared to its main competitors.
> > Like Power Race and Pilot Power 2CT tires, the Michelin Pilot Road 2
> > uses the dual rubber technology developed as a result of involvement
> > with MotoGP motor racing, and which means that a soft rubber compound
> > is used on tire shoulders for improved grip and safety, together with
> > a hard rubber compound in the center for greater durability.
>
> > Michelin Pilot Road 2 will be on the market as of January 2007 in
> > Australia, Brazil, Japan and Europe (except Germany), and as of May
> > 2007 in Germany and September 2007 in the United States.
>
> > Best grip on wet surfaces**, confirmed by an independent testing
> > center*
>
> > 1st Michelin Pilot Road 2
> > 2nd Pirelli Diablo Strada
> > 3rd Metzeler Roadtec Z6
> > 4th Continental Road Attack
> > 5th Dunlop D220 ST
> > 6th Bridgestone BT-021
> > 7th Bridgestone BT-020
>
> > Greatest longevity**, confirmed by an independent testing center*
>
> > 1st Michelin Pilot Road 2
> > 2nd Bridgestone BT-020
> > 2nd Dunlop D220 ST
> > 4th Pirelli Diablo Strada
> > 5th Bridgestone BT-021
> > 5th Metzeler Roadtec Z6
> > 5th Continental Road Attack
>
> > * Tests carried out in 2006 by CERM (Centre d'Essais Routiers
> > Mécaniques) with Michelin Pilot Road 2 tires and its 6 main
> > competitors in the same category, 120/70 ZR 17 and 180/55 ZR 17
> > sizes.
> > ** Compared to its 6 main competitors in the same category.
>
> Being in relatively dry Arizona we seldom have to ride in the rain
> unless by choice. That said, my tire choice is the economical
> Bridgestone 020R. 021R and stickier 014F @ about $200 for a pair
> (frequently on sale) and still decent in the rain from my experience.
>
> Your 675 comes shod with Diablo Corsa's, (no tread to the edge of the
> tire) I believe (piss poor rain tire but good for the track).
> Frankly... and I'm a big Triumph fan, having a hard ridden Sprint for
> 6 year with narry a big problem, I found the 675 with it's 33.5" seat
> height & extremely low bars to be a bit much of a race bike for mainly
> street riding.
>
> I've friends in our group with three of them now (mostly 40-50's
> dudes who use them as track bikes)and they also have mixed feelings
> about the bike as would any older R6, ZX6R, CBR600RR, 749 or GSXR600
> owner's who have no track intentions for their bikes. For Canyon duty,
> a full liter bike would be better as you don't have to work the
> shifter so much (second & third gear only) so the 600SS is a niche
> market for the new rider under 25 with high insurance costs and
> limited income. I know it sounds bigoted towards this class of bikes
> but they are biased solely for track duty with street lighting or
> kinda like sticking lights on a CRF450X MotoCrossser and riding it on
> the street.
> End rant:)
>
> Bob Nixon.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I agree, it is a track bike by design. Supersports in general don't
make a lot of sense as street bikes to me either, but I'd tend to say
they make more sense then sport focused litre bikes do on the
street...!

And it did come with the Diablo Corsa tires, though I never got to try
those as I got mine salvage with a totalled front end, and after
restoring it I went right to Powers F/R. I got mine for $4300, put
$2000 in parts into it, doing the labor myself, for an upgraded and
custom 675 "Spitfire." I left the sidepanels off because I like open
engine aesthetics, upgraded to galfer wave rotors and better fork
internals. Basically, I bought it for the engine and chassis.

And while I do have more track aspirations as finances allow - for now
it is primarily a weekend or early afternoon sportbike for me.
However, my vision of it is quite different than a stock daytona, I'm
shooting for something with daytona genetics morphed into a very
sporting Street Triple-like semi-standard with some medium touring
ability (cause I didn't want to wait for the Street Triple either!).
I have an ADV/ST bike for distance, exploration, and comfort, so the
675 doesn't need to fill all roles. But I've put 600 mile days on it,
and with a double bubble windscreen and a gel seat, sheepskin pad,
tank and tail bags, it isn't bad in the Sport Touring role.

And presently, my next mod is to install Heli Tracstar clip-ons for
added comfort and leverage. The stock clip-ons don't quite work for
me, they are too aggressive and forward leaning most of the time.
However, I'm a bit concerned about the Heli bars as they are single
piece aluminum clip-ons, and one low side at the track could be an
expensive mistake.

And regarding the tires, if there is any one MC item I have always
decided is worth spending a bit more on, it is tires. And $320 a pair
($190 PR2 rear + $130 PP front) with an estimated 4000-6000 miles of
hard riding use isn't too bad for added traction and confidence, IMO.
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On Sep 28, 4:57 pm, saddlebag <saddle....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
> For my money, the PPs are superior
> to any of those in everyway. And now they come with hard rubber down
> the middle, yippie! I'll have to wait for a good sale though. Them
> Frenchies don't work their 32 hour weeks inexpensively.

Yeah, I gotta wonder if the Michelin Pilot Power Recall this year
really cause them to jack the prices on the new tires. I'm not sure
how much of a loss the company took on those, but there were quite a
few "Made in France" PP's that were subject to the recall. And only
two instances I ever heard of where there was a failure.... But kudos
to them for actually refunding/replacing all those tires if there was
a chance of failure.

Economically on my biike, I actually think I'll spend less on the PR2
rear if the longevity is anywhere near their claim.
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On Sep 29, 12:47 am, Vaughn <vbra....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 4:57 pm, saddlebag <saddle....RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > For my money, the PPs are superior
> > to any of those in everyway. And now they come with hard rubber down
> > the middle, yippie! I'll have to wait for a good sale though. Them
> > Frenchies don't work their 32 hour weeks inexpensively.
>
> Yeah, I gotta wonder if the Michelin Pilot Power Recall this year
> really cause them to jack the prices on the new tires. I'm not sure
> how much of a loss the company took on those, but there were quite a
> few "Made in France" PP's that were subject to the recall. And only
> two instances I ever heard of where there was a failure.... But kudos
> to them for actually refunding/replacing all those tires if there was
> a chance of failure.
>
> Economically on my biike, I actually think I'll spend less on the PR2
> rear if the longevity is anywhere near their claim.

I'm getting kinda anxious to see if a 190 will improve the handling on
the sportcroozer. I really need to invest in another pipe though.
The Muzzy levers me off the ground in right handers. It's lower pipe
is bent backwards too late. Several other mfgs did a better job.
Having been a former satisfied Muzzy owner I assumed they do the
croozer thing right too. You know what they say about assumptions.
Anyway, I'm bound and determined to make this bike work. I ripped up
the seat last night and fit a couple of Walmart's finest bicycle gel
pads. If they don't work I'm going to stuff it full of Pilot Powers.
They seem to be good at everything else.
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"saddlebag" <saddlebag.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1191063838.811064.192330@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 29, 12:47 am, Vaughn <vbra....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 28, 4:57 pm, saddlebag <saddle....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
I ripped up
> the seat last night and fit a couple of Walmart's finest bicycle gel
> pads. If they don't work I'm going to stuff it full of Pilot Powers.
> They seem to be good at everything else.
>
Especially marketing.


--

Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple
71 Kawi H1
05 Kiddo
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On Sep 29, 11:37 pm, "Andrew"
<yogig.no.spam.mmm.sp... RemoveThis @n.o.sp.am....@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "saddlebag" <saddle... RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1191063838.811064.192330@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...> On Sep 29, 12:47 am, Vaughn <vbra... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sep 28, 4:57 pm, saddlebag <saddle... RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
> I ripped up
> > the seat last night and fit a couple of Walmart's finest bicycle gel
> > pads. If they don't work I'm going to stuff it full of Pilot Powers.
> > They seem to be good at everything else.
>
> Especially marketing.

Turns out I didn't need em anyway:

http://www.members.aol.com/saddlebag/seat1.jpg
http://www.members.aol.com/saddlebag/seat2.jpg
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On Sep 30, 12:21 am, "TroytheTroll" <f4_....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Turns out I didn't need em anyway:
>
> >http://www.members.aol.com/saddlebag/seat1.jpg
> >http://www.members.aol.com/saddlebag/seat2.jpg
>
> Now that looks like a seat for a man with a big ass.

I have one ten speed bicycle gel seat cover for each cheek in there.
Jealous?
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