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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:30 pm
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>I, personally, find current model sportbikes to be vastly preferable
>to those I rode 25 years ago, and I'm glad for the steady stream of
>technological trickle-sown form the sport of roadracing.

And I personally find it disgusting that when I buy one of those technical
marvels, I have to chain my pet werewolf to it to protect it from the 18 year
old who wants to steal it. And when I want to responsibily and reasonably
test the cornering ability, I get pulled over by cops who think I am riding
it because I'm an 18 year squid.

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:13 pm
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Vaughn wrote:

>While this does bring pretty amazing technology into the hands of
>minimally trained mortals, are you proposing some kind of national
>regulations on sportbike sales?

I'd rather not see the government get any more involved in my life than it
already
is. But, the riding public needs basic transportation far more than they need
race bikes.

As it stands right now, the state of California has a list of motorcycles
that they will not register
for street use, no matter what the rider does to make them street legal. No
motorcycle with a model prefix
of YZ, TZ, RM, KX or CR will be registered. All except the TZ are motocross
bikes.

I think the prefixes GSXR, ZX, YZF and CBR should be added to the list.

Yamaha began mass producing production racebikes like the TD-1 series back in
the early 1960's.
Before that, we used to have to build our own sportbikes. I built my own YDS-
2 into a replica of an "Asama Racer",
but nobody had any idea what it was, one guy asked about the "funny little
chopper" I was riding.

http://www.freespaces.com/td1racer/frametank1.JPG

A wouldbe squid couldn't get a factory built TD-1 racer without a racing
resume that showed (1) he knew
how to ride it and (2) he would use it only on the race tracks.

But we could still buy TD-1 parts and bolt them to our street bikes or we
could build a whole TD-1 out of the Yamaha parts catalog and try to get it
registered.

25 years ago, a racer could start with a street bike and install a $100K
factory kit to race at the national level. Now he can buy a $10K GSXR750 and
stunt it on the street instead of taking it out for a track day.

I would like to see the Japanese factories get back to building
transportation bikes and restrict sales of race replicas to
expert racers. If there had to be a law regulating replica racers it should
be that if you try to put lights and mirrors on it and
ride it on the street, it gets seized and goes to the crusher, so the
scofflaw can never get it back.

This would actually *help* club racing, IMO. A grass roots racer would have
to start on a small *street* bike, modify it
into a more suitable racer by wrenching on it himself, before he could get a
real racebike. Nobody needs a 200 horsepower
ZX14 to ride to the Rock Store on Sundays.

There used to be all sorts of small bore road racing classes based upon 50cc,
125cc and 250cc motorcycles and a racer didn't have to spend $1000 a month
just to campaign for one season. A set of tires would last a whole seaon on a
125 GP bike and would last for years on a 50cc machine.

I think it was Paul Van Valkenburg who wrote an article about what a scam the
GSXR Cup series was back in 1987, only a year into the series. The GSXR's
were being sold at a loss, but a rider trying to campaign the series to get
the contingency money and (in his wildest fantasy) a factory team ride, would
spend $10,000 for that one season and wind up with a bike that was worth
$2000 and some cheap plastic trophies.

Paul could do anything on a motorcycle, he could do wheelies on a Gold Wing.
I watched him race a Yamaha 900cc Europort in the Battle of the Twins.

BOTT. There's another racing class that has dropped off the public's radar
screens, along with the 883 Harley Sportster class.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:45 pm
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Steve Mackay wrote:

>
> Which is really why those air cooled Buells make a *LOT* of sense for
> the street IMHO.
>
> Say what you will about the 'old tech' engine. But it's more than
> capable for street duties, and for most track days on just about any
> track. They have top notch suspension and brakes. As good as any bike
> out there, and better than most. They get awesome gas mileage for their
> performance. I had aboslutely no problem keeping up with "faster" bikes
> at Road America. They'd pass me down the front straight, but I'd catch
> up by the carosel and pass them in many cases.
>
> I just don't see how anyone /needs/ a liter bike for the street, or
> wants one. But, that's just me...
>
> Even the new Buell 1125R is way overkill for street duties. Bud *DAMN*
> was it fun at Road America Smile
>
>
>


?? You got me here.....An air cooled Buell is a great streetbike, yet
you don't see why anyone would want or need a litre bike for the street!?

Don't the air cooled Buells a 1200 Sportster motor?.....thats
1200cc.....1.2 litres......
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:45 pm
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On 2007-10-15 15:37:36 -0500, BrianNZ <brian DeleteThis @itnz.co.nz> said:

> Steve Mackay wrote:
>
>>
>> Which is really why those air cooled Buells make a *LOT* of sense for
>> the street IMHO.
>>
>> Say what you will about the 'old tech' engine. But it's more than
>> capable for street duties, and for most track days on just about any
>> track. They have top notch suspension and brakes. As good as any bike
>> out there, and better than most. They get awesome gas mileage for their
>> performance. I had aboslutely no problem keeping up with "faster" bikes
>> at Road America. They'd pass me down the front straight, but I'd catch
>> up by the carosel and pass them in many cases.
>>
>> I just don't see how anyone /needs/ a liter bike for the street, or
>> wants one. But, that's just me...
>>
>> Even the new Buell 1125R is way overkill for street duties. Bud *DAMN*
>> was it fun at Road America Smile
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ?? You got me here.....An air cooled Buell is a great streetbike, yet
> you don't see why anyone would want or need a litre bike for the
> street!?
>
> Don't the air cooled Buells a 1200 Sportster motor?.....thats
> 1200cc.....1.2 litres......

And you could honestly classify a 1203CC air coold Buell a 'liter bike'? Smile
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:40 pm
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tomorrow RemoveThis @erols.com wrote:

>That's about the saddest thing I've ever seen you post.
>
>My condolences to you.

Save your condolences, your joints are going to start causing you problems in
the next 20 years.

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:58 pm
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>> I hope I've made a convincing argument but if not, a friend sold his
>> same year GSXR1000 because he almost lost his license with a DPS cop
>> nabbing him at 130MPH (cop knocked it down to 111 cause' John was nice
>> and mature about it) in desolate far North Eastern AZ. Now John has
>> switched to almost all dirt and some commute riding on either his
>> Suzuki DRZ400 or DL650.
>>
>> Bob Nixon.
>
>
> Which is really why those air cooled Buells make a *LOT* of sense for the
> street IMHO.

Well....if it had an engine that REVVED anywhere maybe. I mean
really.....you come screaming into the corner, touch down whatever low
hanging goodies you've got, start feeding in some throttle for an exciting
corner exit and oops.....gotta shift......10 seconds later.....repeat.....

Hopefully the 1125 cures this problem, but its probably overkill, speedbike
wise.


>
> Even the new Buell 1125R is way overkill for street duties. Bud *DAMN* was
> it fun at Road America Smile

Sportbikes used in the environment they were built for usually are.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:04 pm
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tomorrow DeleteThis @erols.com wrote:

>A sportbike doesn't have to be a race replica, and I got more of an
>adrenalin rush from my hopped up Yamaha SR500 thumper:
>
>http://preview.tinyurl.com/32twpm
>
>than I ever have from riding a pedal bike.

I had the most unforgettable rides of my entire life on an early model CE71
Dream Sport 250 that another rider imported from Okinawa.

http://www.cyclechaos.com/wiki/Honda_C71

A rider never forgets the first motorcycle that he almost killed himself on.
Or the first time he spent 24 hours in the saddle. Or the first time he ever
took a motorcycle engine apart and got it back together. Or the first time he
ever went
on a long solo ride on a beautiful mountain road that he had all to himself.

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:26 pm
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Steve Mackay wrote:

> I just don't see how anyone /needs/ a liter bike for the street, or
>wants one. But, that's just me...

Americans have been stuck in the V-twin oval flat track mode since the
beginning of the last century. While they were interested in watching racers
going round and round and round or participating in dirt track racing
themselves, the Germans and Italians were breaking land speed records and
racing screaming multi-cylinder GP machines.

U.S. servicemen in Europe after WW2 had the chance to attend the motorcycle
GP's and the IOMTT. Their heads were full of Moto Guzzi V-8's and screaming
MV Augusta and Honda 4's when they returned.

There was no way Honda was going to capture the motorcycle market with a big
bore version of the 1966 Honda CB450, but the Japanese engineers tried to
introduce the concept at a meeting with representatives from American Honda.

But they tried anyway, and the American Honda head rep told them that
American riders were so excited with the GP machinery they were going to buy
bikes from whoever gave them the chance to ride an I-4.

The Japanese withdrew their King Kong Twin and everybody knows what happened
in 1969. The inline-4's came here and have been getting faster and faster
ever since.

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:45 pm
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Steve Mackay wrote:
> On 2007-10-15 15:37:36 -0500, BrianNZ <brian.DeleteThis@itnz.co.nz> said:
>
>> Steve Mackay wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Which is really why those air cooled Buells make a *LOT* of sense for
>>> the street IMHO.
>>>
>>> Say what you will about the 'old tech' engine. But it's more than
>>> capable for street duties, and for most track days on just about any
>>> track. They have top notch suspension and brakes. As good as any bike
>>> out there, and better than most. They get awesome gas mileage for
>>> their performance. I had aboslutely no problem keeping up with
>>> "faster" bikes at Road America. They'd pass me down the front
>>> straight, but I'd catch up by the carosel and pass them in many cases.
>>>
>>> I just don't see how anyone /needs/ a liter bike for the street, or
>>> wants one. But, that's just me...
>>>
>>> Even the new Buell 1125R is way overkill for street duties. Bud
>>> *DAMN* was it fun at Road America Smile
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ?? You got me here.....An air cooled Buell is a great streetbike, yet
>> you don't see why anyone would want or need a litre bike for the street!?
>>
>> Don't the air cooled Buells a 1200 Sportster motor?.....thats
>> 1200cc.....1.2 litres......
>
> And you could honestly classify a 1203CC air coold Buell a 'liter bike'? Smile
>


No, I'd call it a 1.2 litre bike! (Thats how metric works Smile )

Just as I'd call a 2300cc Triumph a 2.3 litre bike?

My Aprilia is a litre bike......
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