Petrol for winter tank

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> On Oct 2, 11:51 am, "smn" <shirley....RemoveThis@excite.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Petro Canada fuel has ethanol so is one of the best for storing or
>> running
>> your MC in the wet and cold, so I am told by a 20 year Suzuki
>> professional
>> mechanic.
>> the ethanol will keep the tank dryer is the theory
>> The US probably has alot of choices we have the one.
>
> The ethanol will combine any H20 that gets in the fuel (up to a point,
> of course), much like branded HEET (TM) or other "winter" fuel
> additive. Thus you will not suffer from fuel & water separation in
> your tank.
>
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FYI About the winter additive. I was advised by Steve the mechanic that you
use 1/8 of bottle because it was packaged for cars.
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On Oct 2, 9:51 am, "smn" <shirley....TakeThisOut@excite.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Petro Canada fuel has ethanol so is one of the best for storing or running
> your MC in the wet and cold, so I am told by a 20 year Suzuki professional
> mechanic.
> the ethanol will keep the tank dryer is the theory
> The US probably has alot of choices we have the one.
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smn <shirleyn10.DeleteThis@excite.com> wrote:
>
>
> FYI About the winter additive. I was advised by Steve the mechanic that you
> use 1/8 of bottle because it was packaged for cars.

I'd just read the directions. It normally tells you how much to use per
gallon. Typically, put it in the take at the gas station before your last
fillup, fill, swish it around, and ride it for a little bit to get the
fuel saver into the system. Although, people on this group have been
known to get carried away, and use up the entire tank of gas for that
last ride....

- Kurt
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On Oct 2, 10:56 pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 2, 9:51 am, "smn" <shirley....DeleteThis@excite.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi,
> > Petro Canada fuel has ethanol so is one of the best for storing or running
> > your MC in the wet and cold, so I am told by a 20 year Suzuki professional
> > mechanic.
> > the ethanol will keep the tank dryer is the theory
> > The US probably has alot of choices we have the one.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sorry about that missing text but what I was going to say is we in the
USA (mainly big cities) have up to 20% Ethenol mixed in with gas
blends too. It really sucks as far as fuel econony goes or up to 20%
less MPG and some old cars don't like it. BTW, Pure Alcohol mixes with
air at an optimal ratio of 3:1 vs pure Gasoline at 14:1. Alcohol has
some good advantages though. It has an Octane rating of at least 110
and cools the intake charge (evaperative cooling far better than
gasoline) thus giving the engine a higher Volumetric efficiency, so it
is often used for race engines like Indy cars but at the cost of
carrying more fuel. Ethenol made from corn is generally over-hyped in
our "global warming climate" as a renuable and clean burning (oxidxed)
fuel but the trouble is it costs more to process than you can sell it
for. Hydrogen OHOH, (if we could ecomomically crack and store it
safely in cages/bikes) has high octane, high BTU per weight and is
extremely clean burning with only water as a by product of combustion.
It's not a Hydocarbon so it burns blue even in poor oxygen mixtures.
Yellow flames always represent carbon that in uncompletely burned,
yielding by products of carbon monixide, Nitrous Oxide=(especially in
lean hot mixtures), carbon dioxide and or course water.

If you really want winter gas protection either drain your gas tank
before winter storage or pour in an additive called "Stabile" that
keeps the gas fairly fresh over the winter for those of you poor
suckers that don't live in the So Calif, Southern to central AZ or
southern Florida & Texas near El paso to Brownsville or "far South"
where winter riding is generally better than the summer. From my
experience even gulf cities like Houston, N. Orleans, Biloxi, Mobile
and the pan handle of Florida get hard freezes in Jan/Feb nearly every
year. Even Atlanta gets snow & temps in the teens on occasion.

Bob Nixon.
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"Bob Nixon" <bigrex2005.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 2, 10:56 pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 2, 9:51 am, "smn" <shirley....TakeThisOut@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>

>
> If you really want winter gas protection either drain your gas tank
> before winter storage or pour in an additive called "Stabile" that
> keeps the gas fairly fresh over the winter for those of you poor
> suckers that don't live in the So Calif, Southern to central AZ or
> southern Florida & Texas near El paso to Brownsville or "far South"
> where winter riding is generally better than the summer. From my
> experience even gulf cities like Houston, N. Orleans, Biloxi, Mobile
> and the pan handle of Florida get hard freezes in Jan/Feb nearly every
> year. Even Atlanta gets snow & temps in the teens on occasion.
>
> Bob Nixon.
>

Yeah the Stabil is what I use, and its packaged for smaller engines than
just cars. .i.e. lawnmowers, bikes, etc.


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smn wrote:
> Hi,
> Petro Canada fuel has ethanol so is one of the best for storing or running
> your MC in the wet and cold, so I am told by a 20 year Suzuki professional
> mechanic.
> the ethanol will keep the tank dryer is the theory
> The US probably has alot of choices we have the one.
>
>
Sunoco has always had ethanol in their higher grades and now everyone
here in Ontario is adding up to 10%
and they do not even need to tell you.

Its not a choice of one brand.

Ian Singer


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On Oct 3, 11:07 pm, Ian Singer <iansin... RemoveThis @sympatico.ca> wrote:
> smn wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Petro Canada fuel has ethanol so is one of the best for storing or running
> > your MC in the wet and cold, so I am told by a 20 year Suzuki professional
> > mechanic.
> > the ethanol will keep the tank dryer is the theory
> > The US probably has alot of choices we have the one.
>
> Sunoco has always had ethanol in their higher grades and now everyone
> here in Ontario is adding up to 10%
> and they do not even need to tell you.
>
> Its not a choice of one brand.
>
> Ian Singer
>
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In the USA they have to put the ethenol conten t on the pump and yes
it has a detremental effect on fuel economy. In Phoenix it's says up
to 15% ethenol where it used to say 10% a few years back, when they
also used MTBE, which they found out was poisening people at the pump
& ground water if any tank leaks occured. Now MTBE is banned in fuel
thoughout most the world. Alcohol sucks (poor mileage & hard on rubber
o-rings) but that's what big brother is mandating to keep the smog
down in the major metros these days, because it helps to oxygenate the
fuel thus reducing greenhouse post combustion, by-products.

It's ironic too because it's a wash. The more alcohol they mix in with
the gasoline the worse the fuel economy thus we end up buying /burning
the same amount of crude oil from the Arabs.

Diesel fuel too. I know neighbors that are putting 2 stroke oil in
with their fuel because big brother has mandated only low sulfur
Diesel (hard on Diesel fuel pumps due to no lube properties) be sold
at the pump.I used to use Amyl Nitrite as a cetane booster in my MB
300D to both quiet down the idle and increase the mileage. Amyl
Nitrite acts as a compression ignition or spontanious combustion
boosting agent increasing the cetane rating (opposite of octane =
which slows the effect of the fuel's compression ignition ).

My 10cc model Radio control Diesel engines runs on 6% Amyl Nitrate,
20% lube oil and the fuel itself is half ether and half Kerosine.
These engines are simple crankcase scavenged two stroke with a contra-
piston on top to change the compression ratio and ignition timing.
They are also carburated which means they run a stoichiometric fuel
air ratio like a gasoline engine and are air throttled unlike their
lean mixed more complex big brothers. They smoke like hell but
actually put out more power than Alcohol +10-15% Nitro methane model
engines.

Bob Bixon
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On Oct 4, 9:30 pm, ~kurt <actinouran....RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Bob Nixon <bigrex2....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > It's ironic too because it's a wash. The more alcohol they mix in with
> > the gasoline the worse the fuel economy thus we end up buying /burning
> > the same amount of crude oil from the Arabs.
>
> I imagine those who lobby for the farmers have quite a lot of pull....
>
> - Kurt

In the breadbacket, this is especially true. Nationally, as well.

Though if food production dwindles for our Mexican neighbors, the
increased legislation demanding ethanol fuel will mean less tortillas
for breakfast, lunch, and dinner in the poor areas.

In addition to decreased fuel economy and performance while running
ethanol fuels, I often think about some desert shack-living Central
American family with no maize toritillas b/c the land owners in the
area go better price shipping their product to a refinery. Instead,
they eat foul Monsanto-tainted white flour tortillas with sadness.
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>> I imagine those who lobby for the farmers have quite a lot of pull....
>>
>> - Kurt
>
> In the breadbacket, this is especially true. Nationally, as well.
>
> Though if food production dwindles for our Mexican neighbors, the
> increased legislation demanding ethanol fuel will mean less tortillas
> for breakfast, lunch, and dinner in the poor areas.

Mike will like this....without food, they won't be able to trek north as
easily to hold shovels standing around his constructions jobs, and maybe he
won't have to learn Spanish to run his crew.


>
> In addition to decreased fuel economy and performance while running
> ethanol fuels, I often think about some desert shack-living Central
> American family with no maize toritillas b/c the land owners in the
> area go better price shipping their product to a refinery. Instead,
> they eat foul Monsanto-tainted white flour tortillas with sadness.

Better them than us?
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>
> > In addition to decreased fuel economy and performance while running
> > ethanol fuels, I often think about some desert shack-living Central
> > American family with no maize toritillas b/c the land owners in the
> > area go better price shipping their product to a refinery. Instead,
> > they eat foul Monsanto-tainted white flour tortillas with sadness.
>
> Better them than us?

Yes, but sadly so. And I'm greatful my forefathers chose to live on
black earth, farm it, and provide the awareness and appreciation to
stay on that land.

There is enough for everyone, which is the sad part. Market driven
forces do not have adequate incentives to share the wealth. If we, as
a nation and global culture, just slow down a bit and back off on
consumption - there would be enough for everyone.

Oh there I go again, reflecting like a mirror. See how the advice of
one reflects back to the other? This time it plays towards a national
and even global scale, and I'm just saying the world needs to slow
down. But I'd wager some archaic revival is in the making at some
point. No "doomsday the sky is falling" mindset to it, but change is
a constant and things tend to move in cycles.
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"Vaughn" <vbrandt.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 4, 9:30 pm, ~kurt <actinouran....TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Bob Nixon <bigrex2....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > It's ironic too because it's a wash. The more alcohol they mix in
>> > with
>> > the gasoline the worse the fuel economy thus we end up buying
>> > /burning
>> > the same amount of crude oil from the Arabs.
>>
>> I imagine those who lobby for the farmers have quite a lot of
>> pull....
>>
>> - Kurt
>
> In the breadbacket, this is especially true. Nationally, as well.
>
> Though if food production dwindles for our Mexican neighbors, the
> increased legislation demanding ethanol fuel will mean less tortillas
> for breakfast, lunch, and dinner in the poor areas.
>

A hundred years ago, work horses consumed half the food grown. The
energy crisis then was the limit to food production was going to slow
down the horse-driven economy. BTW, how much money are you sending to
feed the poor? I've found that works better then repeating catch
phrases.


Reassembler
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>> Better them than us?
>
> Yes, but sadly so. There is enough for everyone, which is the sad part.
> Market driven
> forces do not have adequate incentives to share the wealth.

Really? Considering your relative wealth in the world ( nice job, coupla
expensive bikes, etc etc ) sounds like you are doing pretty well, in a more
market driven economy than many others around the world. I would say the
market has done okay for those who know what it is, and choose to play to
the strengths of the system, which is to say, work hard, choose good
educations in professions which are needed and which aren't easily replaced
by illegal immigrants, etc etc.


> If we, as
> a nation and global culture, just slow down a bit and back off on
> consumption - there would be enough for everyone.
>

Probably. But the market doesn't allocate resources based on altruistic
principles, it gives the most to the best. Which is why America is generally
a great place to live....unless you are lazy, clueless and a meth user of
course. In which case we're pretty harsh.



> Oh there I go again, reflecting like a mirror. See how the advice of
> one reflects back to the other? This time it plays towards a national
> and even global scale, and I'm just saying the world needs to slow
> down. But I'd wager some archaic revival is in the making at some
> point. No "doomsday the sky is falling" mindset to it, but change is
> a constant and things tend to move in cycles.
>

Again...yup. And as long as our down cycles resemble the last Slick Willy
idiocy administration, I figure we got some good days ahead.
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