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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:56 am
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"JOJO" <dfkatz123 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> Let me just say for the record that I have no interest in a sport
> bike. I like the Honda VT600 as well. I hear the comments on the cheap
> first bike for little cash, but then my concern is inheriting someone
> else poorly cared for machine. I would feel more comfortable paying a
> little extra knowing that it may have been well cared for over the
> years. Apart from the price, what is the benefit to owning a 20 year
> old bike?
maybe not 20 year old, but often you will find less than 10 year old bike
under 5000 miles on craigslist
that's almost as good as new
and if you are worry about problems, you can get air cooled bikes (a few
less components to break)
the simplest bike that i know is a suzuki salvage 650. it is light weight,
one air cooled cylinder
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:56 am
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 02:56:34 GMT, "peter" <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
>"JOJO" <dfkatz123.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1183169705.488103.16440@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> Let me just say for the record that I have no interest in a sport
>> bike. I like the Honda VT600 as well. I hear the comments on the cheap
>> first bike for little cash, but then my concern is inheriting someone
>> else poorly cared for machine. I would feel more comfortable paying a
>> little extra knowing that it may have been well cared for over the
>> years. Apart from the price, what is the benefit to owning a 20 year
>> old bike?
>
>maybe not 20 year old, but often you will find less than 10 year old bike
>under 5000 miles on craigslist
>that's almost as good as new
>
>and if you are worry about problems, you can get air cooled bikes (a few
>less components to break)
>
>the simplest bike that i know is a suzuki salvage 650. it is light weight,
OOOhhh !!!! the glories of THAT typo !!!!! 
>one air cooled cylinder
>650cc sounds impressive, yet it is not bad for a beginner
>
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:05 am
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Ken Abrams wrote:
> "Mark Olson" <olsonm.RemoveThis@tiny.net> wrote in message
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>> Have you ridden either one? I own a Ninja 250 and have ridden
>> a couple of EX500s.
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>
> Well, let's see......one doesn't have to ride a cow to know that it is not a
> horse!
>
> I was just in the showroom today and the N-250 and 500 were right there
> lined up with the rest of the SPORT BIKES. Deep seat placed back on the
> frame, tank sticking up and short (mostly) straight bars. Standard SPORT
> BIKE riding position but not "standard" by any means, unless of course you
> are a rather large person with LONG arms! 
Yes, Ken, they *look* like sportbikes. However, they have a
very normal non-sportbike-like riding position. It's a tough
concept for someone to absorb if they insist on relying on
looks rather than actually getting on the bike and riding it.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:10 am
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"JOJO" <dfkatz123.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote
> I would feel more comfortable paying a
> little extra knowing that it may have been well cared for over the
> years. Apart from the price, what is the benefit to owning a 20 year
> old bike?
>
Hell yes, if price is no object, by all means, get a new bike.
For most people, price IS an object.
With an older bike, you have less to lose if you crash it.
If it is in good condition and you keep it that way, chances are you can
sell it in a year or two for what you paid for it.
Not sure anybody is advocating 20 year old bikes unless your budget is
REALLY tight.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:20 am
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Mark Olson wrote:
> Ken Abrams wrote:
>> "Mark Olson" <olsonm.RemoveThis@tiny.net> wrote in message
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>>> Have you ridden either one? I own a Ninja 250 and have ridden
>>> a couple of EX500s.
>>>
>>
>> Well, let's see......one doesn't have to ride a cow to know that it
>> is not a horse!
>>
>> I was just in the showroom today and the N-250 and 500 were right
>> there lined up with the rest of the SPORT BIKES. Deep seat placed
>> back on the frame, tank sticking up and short (mostly) straight
>> bars. Standard SPORT BIKE riding position but not "standard" by any
>> means, unless of course you are a rather large person with LONG
>> arms!
>
> Yes, Ken, they *look* like sportbikes. However, they have a
> very normal non-sportbike-like riding position. It's a tough
> concept for someone to absorb if they insist on relying on
> looks rather than actually getting on the bike and riding it.
Or maybe his idea of "standard" is "cruiser"?
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:20 am
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"Mark Olson" <olsonm DeleteThis @tiny.invalid> wrote
> Yes, Ken, they *look* like sportbikes. However, they have a
> very normal non-sportbike-like riding position. It's a tough
> concept for someone to absorb if they insist on relying on
> looks rather than actually getting on the bike and riding it.
>
Having given this some further consideration, I'll give you this
one......kind of.
There's only been one other response that said something like "It is almost
a sport bike riding position, slightly leaned forward" which is more like
the definition of a standard.
Not having ridden either bike mentioned, I guess it's time for me to shut
up! Especially since I'm a BIG advocate of "don't buy anything until you
ride it" because, among other reasons, things are not always as they appear.
Just out of curiosity, how tall are you? >> Stay informed about: Newbie Bike Choice-Seeking Input |
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:58 pm
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:05:32 -0500, Mark Olson <olsonm RemoveThis @tiny.invalid>
wrote:
>Ken Abrams wrote:
>> "Mark Olson" <olsonm RemoveThis @tiny.net> wrote in message
>>
>>> Have you ridden either one? I own a Ninja 250 and have ridden
>>> a couple of EX500s.
>>>
>>
>> Well, let's see......one doesn't have to ride a cow to know that it is not a
>> horse!
>>
>> I was just in the showroom today and the N-250 and 500 were right there
>> lined up with the rest of the SPORT BIKES. Deep seat placed back on the
>> frame, tank sticking up and short (mostly) straight bars. Standard SPORT
>> BIKE riding position but not "standard" by any means, unless of course you
>> are a rather large person with LONG arms!
>
>Yes, Ken, they *look* like sportbikes. However, they have a
>very normal non-sportbike-like riding position. It's a tough
>concept for someone to absorb if they insist on relying on
>looks rather than actually getting on the bike and riding it.
All depends on your frame of reference.
My CX650E was considered a sport bike yet I feel it was less sporty
than either of those bikes.
My K100RS was also considered a sport bike and it felt like one to me
too.
My idea of a standard is a KZ650, CB750,650,550 or any bike like that.
There aren't too many around these days. What passes for a standard
these days is a sport bike, slightly detuned, slightly raised bars and
dropped pegs and a slightly cushier seat. To me they are just milder
sport bikes.
If my toes are behind my knees and I have to lean forward, it's a
sport bike.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:59 pm
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Bob Mann wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:20:55 -0500, "Ken Abrams"
> <harvest_this.DeleteThis@scum.suckers> wrote:
>
>> "Mark Olson" <olsonm.DeleteThis@tiny.invalid> wrote
>>
>>> Yes, Ken, they *look* like sportbikes. However, they have a
>>> very normal non-sportbike-like riding position. It's a tough
>>> concept for someone to absorb if they insist on relying on
>>> looks rather than actually getting on the bike and riding it.
>>>
>> Having given this some further consideration, I'll give you this
>> one......kind of.
>> There's only been one other response that said something like "It is almost
>> a sport bike riding position, slightly leaned forward" which is more like
>> the definition of a standard.
>>
>> Not having ridden either bike mentioned, I guess it's time for me to shut
>> up! Especially since I'm a BIG advocate of "don't buy anything until you
>> ride it" because, among other reasons, things are not always as they appear.
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, how tall are you?
>>
>>
> He's tall.
No, I'm normal. Height-wise, that is. Turby is *tall*.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:09 pm
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:13 pm
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:23 am
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:30:13 -0500, Bob Mann <Bobo.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:59:09 -0500, Mark Olson <olsonm.RemoveThis@tiny.net>
>wrote:
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>>Bob Mann wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:20:55 -0500, "Ken Abrams"
>>> <harvest_this.RemoveThis@scum.suckers> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Mark Olson" <olsonm.RemoveThis@tiny.invalid> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Ken, they *look* like sportbikes. However, they have a
>>>>> very normal non-sportbike-like riding position. It's a tough
>>>>> concept for someone to absorb if they insist on relying on
>>>>> looks rather than actually getting on the bike and riding it.
>>>>>
>>>> Having given this some further consideration, I'll give you this
>>>> one......kind of.
>>>> There's only been one other response that said something like "It is almost
>>>> a sport bike riding position, slightly leaned forward" which is more like
>>>> the definition of a standard.
>>>>
>>>> Not having ridden either bike mentioned, I guess it's time for me to shut
>>>> up! Especially since I'm a BIG advocate of "don't buy anything until you
>>>> ride it" because, among other reasons, things are not always as they appear.
>>>>
>>>> Just out of curiosity, how tall are you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> He's tall.
>>
>>No, I'm normal. Height-wise, that is. Turby is *tall*.
>
>Not when you stand next to me you aren't.
Well you have to see Mark standing next to Turby.
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