Motorcycle survey, Most to least favorite by type (rep, ST..

On Aug 18, 1:58 pm, _Bob_Nixon_ <bi... DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:

> I could see your points for a TRAINING type bike but MGP is top line stuff

Yeah, generally when I'm talking about grass roots racing, club
racing, amateur racing, and specificially saying "as opposed to
professional racing," why then, I'm not talking about MotoGP.
Especially when I don't mention MotoGP, FIM, GP, World Superbike,
World Supersport, British Superbike, Australian Superbike, or AMA Pro
racing.

> and the spectators should get to see the best of what their high ticket
> prices and TV ad's can handle, if you catch my drift? I've also heard of a
> new 600 4 cylinder class of 4 strokes. That's almost as big as a 800cc GP
> bike. It's going to be mass confusion for a couple of years at best:)
>
> The current 450 4 stroke domination is what bores me about Motocross racing.
> There the only reason the 450 is competitive with the 250 two stroke is
> because handling over 50 HP in the dirt from 220lb bikes is nearly
> impossible and the 250's are tuned more for torque than having 100+ HP like
> MGP. Just my opinion as I strongly believe there is plenty of technology
> left in the unwastefull two stroke design.All it takes s the will to
> improve them like the Euro's have done with the Diesel engine.

The current four stroke domination in production-based motorcycle
racing is directly attributable to the fact that the factories wish to
sell four stroke production machines. The current four stroke rules
in MotoGP are a direct result of the factories wiching to be able to
point out trickle-down improvements and/or technological advances from
their GP bikes in their advertising for their street bikes. Street
bike buyers, for th emost part, are the target audience for motorcycle
roadracing, and thus the factories have decided that they want that
racing to be include motorcycles that street bike buyers can identify
with.

I like watchign four stroke GP bikes and I like watching 2 stroke GP
bikes. I'm not going to buy a race replica motorcycle though, except
as a track bike, and probably not even then. So, I am not the target
audience, and the factories couldn't care less whether I like 2-stroke
racing or not.

If you want to change things, you'll need to convince the motorcycle
manufacturers that it is in their best interest to pursue 2 stroke
technology, racing, advertising, and sales. Seems to me that they've
already made up their minds to the contrary.

The diesel improvements in Europe haven't been driven by "will."
They've been driven by economic factors and good old profit motive.

_Bob_Nixon_ wrote:
> Andy,I did mention the FZ-1 in with the FZ-6. I rode an FZ-1 once and found
> the engine buzzy and poor low end carburation. Plus it was a bit tall for
> me.

I meant the category not the bike (I saw you listed FZ-1 indeed which is
first of all a street one but widely used as multi-purpose one with its
pros and cons)

As a beginner-intermediate rider (14k miles which is nothing) I started
better recognizing what I really need recently. And it seems the FZ-1 is
not the one. This is why I mentioned I am missing do_it_all category.

Thanks a lot for starting this thread.