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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:15 am
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I don't want to start a bike war but we need ON TOPIC threads now and
threads that everyone can respond to. I'll start it out with more detail
than you really need or voice your opinion if you like.
New Race reps. All lists, most favorite to least favorite:
SuzukiGSXR1000/750/600- best all around since about 2002.3
Kawasaki- 2nd best since ZX10 & 636.
Honda- CBR1000RR Much improved over the 900,929,954 & early 1000RR days,
also better reps for the street than most the others.
Triumph 675 Best all around 600 class bike.
Yamaha-R1 least competent 1000cc I4 race rep unless you buy that $20,000
model with Ohkins etc.R6 best race 600, worst street 600 rep.
CBR600RR
Buell 1125 Most Promising potential.
Pliller Mille (do they still sell in USA?)
Ducati all models: overpriced and high maintenance.
MV Agusta 1000. Way too expensive for a run of the mill race rep.
New ST or Sport Tourers:
VFR 781. Dated but still the best handler with a good rep and decent
mileage. Not a good two up ST bike due to the small engine.
Sprint ST 1050. Fastest and second most sporty. Not comfy for short people.
FJR 1300, Porky but nearly as fast as the Sprint ST.
ST-1300
New Guzzi ST
Yamaha YZF600R
Honda F4i (new one with bench seat)
Duc ST3: Great reviews but wimpiest engine and like all Ducs is endowed with
belt driven cam drives. High maintenance.
New Street Bikes:
This is a class of bikes that I'm biased against even though I currently own
one due to cheaped down gear and lack of wind protection.
SV-650 need I say more?
Kwak 650 twin has potential.
Honda 919, 600 Hornet's
Naked Guzzi's (best value in Euro bikes + good reliability and comfortYamaha
Kwak 1000/750
FZ6, FZ1
SV-1000
Priller Tuano (Naked Mille$$)
Harley powered Buells
All Duc Monsters & nostalgia reps.
MV Brutal (way too $$ for any bike, muchless a semi naked street ride)
Those overgrown Motards like the DUKE 990. Don't know enough about them to
voice an opinion. However they do seems like a rich kid's toy, with little
practical value.
Dirt Bikes:
Same as above but they're affordable and do fill a nice nicth market but
seems except the new twins have changed little over the years, except
they're all bigger four stroke singles now.
I know I missed a bunch but it's a start.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:15 am
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:24 pm
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On Aug 16, 12:15 pm, _Bob_Nixon_ <bi... DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
> I don't want to start a bike war but we need ON TOPIC threads now and
> threads that everyone can respond to. I'll start it out with more detail
> than you really need or voice your opinion if you like.
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> Kwak 650 twin has potential.
I like the new 650 Versys (dumbass name not withstanding).
It has a good price point, and you can get factory hard luggage.
I saw the Bandit 1200 in the shop the other day, it seemed
interesting, the old ones bored me.
The Ducati GT1000 is also very high on my "I want one" list. >> Stay informed about: Motorcycle survey, Most to least favorite by type (rep, ST.. |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:42 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:40 pm
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_Bob_Nixon_ wrote:
> I don't want to start a bike war but we need ON TOPIC threads now and
> threads that everyone can respond to. I'll start it out with more detail
> than you really need or voice your opinion if you like.
>
> New Race reps. All lists, most favorite to least favorite:
>
> SuzukiGSXR1000/750/600- best all around since about 2002.3
> Kawasaki- 2nd best since ZX10 & 636.
> Honda- CBR1000RR Much improved over the 900,929,954 & early 1000RR days,
> also better reps for the street than most the others.
> Triumph 675 Best all around 600 class bike.
I still wanna score a ride on one some day soon. The 600 race reps don't
do anything for me whatsoever. Unpractical for every day riding IMHO.
> Yamaha-R1 least competent 1000cc I4 race rep unless you buy that $20,000
> model with Ohkins etc.R6 best race 600, worst street 600 rep.
> CBR600RR
> Buell 1125 Most Promising potential.
You should see some writeups coming around December in the major mags on
the 1125R. They are still doing some tweaking.
> Pliller Mille (do they still sell in USA?)
> Ducati all models: overpriced and high maintenance.
But even according to my Buell engineer buddies... The 1098 have some of
the best brakes out there. Pretty much overkill for the street though.
But faster lap times can be had on the older 999R.
Have you noticed you never see the dyno sheets on a STOCK 1098? They
always have like $2K worth of exhaust and ECM work. That's to get ride
of the huge midrange dip they have.
> MV Agusta 1000. Way too expensive for a run of the mill race rep.
But a DAMN sexy bike nonetheless.
>
> New ST or Sport Tourers:
> VFR 781. Dated but still the best handler with a good rep and decent
> mileage. Not a good two up ST bike due to the small engine.
> Sprint ST 1050. Fastest and second most sporty. Not comfy for short people.
> FJR 1300, Porky but nearly as fast as the Sprint ST.
> ST-1300
> New Guzzi ST
> Yamaha YZF600R
> Honda F4i (new one with bench seat)
> Duc ST3: Great reviews but wimpiest engine and like all Ducs is endowed with
> belt driven cam drives. High maintenance.
>
> New Street Bikes:
>
> This is a class of bikes that I'm biased against even though I currently own
> one due to cheaped down gear and lack of wind protection.
>
> SV-650 need I say more?
> Kwak 650 twin has potential.
> Honda 919, 600 Hornet's
> Naked Guzzi's (best value in Euro bikes + good reliability and comfortYamaha
> Kwak 1000/750
> FZ6, FZ1
> SV-1000
> Priller Tuano (Naked Mille$$)
> Harley powered Buells
> All Duc Monsters & nostalgia reps.
> MV Brutal (way too $$ for any bike, muchless a semi naked street ride)
You forgot the KTM superduke... Which is supposed to be one of the best
"nakeds" out there...
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> Those overgrown Motards like the DUKE 990. Don't know enough about them to
> voice an opinion. However they do seems like a rich kid's toy, with little
> practical value.
The overgrown motards have their place as actually being GREAT urban
commuters. The extra suspension travel on the Duc hypermotard and Buell
Super TT make the ride quite comfy, but still handle as good as any
sportbike, and even better when the road starts getting rough. That's
why I built my Buell 'sport touring' bike out of the Super TT.
> Dirt Bikes:
>
> Same as above but they're affordable and do fill a nice nicth market but
> seems except the new twins have changed little over the years, except
> they're all bigger four stroke singles now.
>
> I know I missed a bunch but it's a start.
>
Nice list Bob... >> Stay informed about: Motorcycle survey, Most to least favorite by type (rep, ST.. |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:23 pm
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:04 pm
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> I'll start it out with more detail
> than you really need or voice your opinion if you like.
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> New Race reps. All lists, most favorite to least favorite:
I keep eyeing up Aprilia Tuono R's with this weird feeling....like spending
a boatload of money on something really cool and totally useless. Maybe once
the 650 goes completely to trackbikedom? >> Stay informed about: Motorcycle survey, Most to least favorite by type (rep, ST.. |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:44 pm
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On Aug 16, 8:27 pm, alf <ask@me> wrote:
> _Bob_Nixon_ wrote:
> > I don't want to start a bike war but we need ON TOPIC threads now and
> > threads that everyone can respond to.
>
> You probably listed all possible bikes. And all categories but one:
> do_it_all. Specifically I mean category for following riding yearly profile:
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> -8-12k miles (from string to the end of fall - Chicago climate)
> -1-3 track days to learn and keep up with good skills
> -1 long solo trip (3-5k range)
> -2-3 short (.5-1k miles) weekend get aways trips with my wife
> -daily commuting to work (60 miles per day)
> -daily trips to the gym, friends ....
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> So far FZ-1 + 40l Givi top case is serving the purpose. The big guest
> complain is the wind protection - have just replaced stock windshield
> with ZG ST one. It is quite good but far from perfect.
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> I would appreciate comments.
>
> Andy
I suppose if I were limited to one bike (ick) I would choose the
Ducati Multistrada 1100S, with top case, accessory taller windscreen,
heated grips and seat, in yellow, of course, with Termi header pipes
and ARC fabrication reverse cone megaphones with baffles. I'd install
a Scala Rider wireless bluetooth cell phone/FM radio, and somehow wire
in a portable XM radio for those long cross-country trips (gotta have
Bluesville and XCountry). I could live with that combo, but I sure
wouldn't be as happy as I am with the multibike arrangement I've got
now. >> Stay informed about: Motorcycle survey, Most to least favorite by type (rep, ST.. |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:27 pm
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_Bob_Nixon_ wrote:
> I don't want to start a bike war but we need ON TOPIC threads now and
> threads that everyone can respond to.
You probably listed all possible bikes. And all categories but one:
do_it_all. Specifically I mean category for following riding yearly profile:
-8-12k miles (from string to the end of fall - Chicago climate)
-1-3 track days to learn and keep up with good skills
-1 long solo trip (3-5k range)
-2-3 short (.5-1k miles) weekend get aways trips with my wife
-daily commuting to work (60 miles per day)
-daily trips to the gym, friends ....
So far FZ-1 + 40l Givi top case is serving the purpose. The big guest
complain is the wind protection - have just replaced stock windshield
with ZG ST one. It is quite good but far from perfect.
I would appreciate comments.
Andy >> Stay informed about: Motorcycle survey, Most to least favorite by type (rep, ST.. |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:22 pm
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> I suppose if I were limited to one bike (ick) I would choose the
> Ducati Multistrada 1100S. I could live with that combo, but I sure
> wouldn't be as happy as I am with the multibike arrangement I've got
> now.
>
I think I decided quite some time ago that at the end of the day, 2 bikes
are needed to cover all the bases. One just ain't enough. >> Stay informed about: Motorcycle survey, Most to least favorite by type (rep, ST.. |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:30 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:30 pm
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Andrew wrote:
> "_Bob_Nixon_" <bilbo DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Vu0xi.77815$kK1.66828@newsfe14.phx...
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> Duc Hypermotard for me.
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No Ducs for me (too $$ and high maint for regular folks).
but I did fotget about the new Concouse 1400, speed triple and Busa buts
it's so damned ugly;) A 1400 with a BUSA engine, maybe;)
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:33 am
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TroytheTroll wrote:
>> I suppose if I were limited to one bike (ick) I would choose the
>> Ducati Multistrada 1100S. I could live with that combo, but I sure
>> wouldn't be as happy as I am with the multibike arrangement I've got
>> now.
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> I think I decided quite some time ago that at the end of the day, 2
> bikes are needed to cover all the bases. One just ain't enough.
You made the decision that two bikes are necessary, but having observer
your recent experiments with Buell, V-Strom, 1100 and whatever you get
next I doubt you finally figured out that the bikes are. This is the big
question. Ok it SV-650. But have you settle down as far as the second
bike goes? >> Stay informed about: Motorcycle survey, Most to least favorite by type (rep, ST.. |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:40 am
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:40 am
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alf wrote:
> _Bob_Nixon_ wrote:
>> I don't want to start a bike war but we need ON TOPIC threads now and
>> threads that everyone can respond to. I'll start it out with more detail
>> than you really need or voice your opinion if you like.
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> [CUT]
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> I noted you did not mention BMW - any particular reason?
^
Too expensive for what you get or either heavy low tech bikes or me too tech
drivetrains. Reliability has actually gone down on the never BMW bikes too.
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