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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:27 pm
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:27 pm
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Paul Carmichael wrote:
> Che Guevera.
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> Just started reading it. Am I wasting my time?
Purported to be about motorcycling to the degree that
/Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance/ is about
motorcycling...
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:48 pm
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In the referenced article, Mark Olson <olsonm.RemoveThis@tiny.invalid> writes:
>Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> Che Guevera.
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>> Just started reading it. Am I wasting my time?
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>Purported to be about motorcycling to the degree that
>/Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance/ is about
>motorcycling...
That's not quite fair. He does talk about riding his bike places. It's
basically `Long Way Round' for reds, with added leching.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:48 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:52 pm
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Paul Carmichael wrote:
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> Che Guevera.
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> Just started reading it. Am I wasting my time?
Are you expecting to read about bikes, or about a socialist epiphany?
You might find it easier to just watch the film, especially if you speak
the lingo.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:21 pm
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ogden wrote:
> Paul Carmichael wrote:
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> > Che Guevera.
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> > Just started reading it. Am I wasting my time?
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> Are you expecting to read about bikes, or about a socialist epiphany?
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> You might find it easier to just watch the film, especially if you
> speak the lingo.
I picked the book up in a bookshop for 5 euros. It's largely for
practice. Quite amusing so far - lots of falling aff and breaking the
"Poderosa".
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:54 pm
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Paul Carmichael"
<paul RemoveThis @obscuredomainname.org> saying something like:
>Che Guevera.
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>Just started reading it. Am I wasting my time?
As a story of how two young middle-class lads try to shag their way
round S. America it's not bad. Sooner or later the shagging had to stop.
It's about bikes the way Don Quixote was about horses.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:09 pm
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"Mark Olson" <olsonm.RemoveThis@tiny.invalid> wrote in message
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> Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> Che Guevera.
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>> Just started reading it. Am I wasting my time?
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> Purported to be about motorcycling to the degree that
> /Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance/ is about
> motorcycling...
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:09 pm
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Beelzebub wrote:
> "Mark Olson" <olsonm.TakeThisOut@tiny.invalid> wrote in message
> news:13q3qkmnvd9rkc2@corp.supernews.com...
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>>Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>
>>>Che Guevera.
>>>
>>>Just started reading it. Am I wasting my time?
>>
>>Purported to be about motorcycling to the degree that
>>/Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance/ is about
>>motorcycling...
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>
> Now *that* is a waste of a read.
Nonsense. As a portable, re-usable non-prescription soporific,
it can't be beat.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:10 pm
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:09:25 -0000, "Beelzebub" <niggly DeleteThis @the.world>
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>"Mark Olson" <olsonm DeleteThis @tiny.invalid> wrote in message
>news:13q3qkmnvd9rkc2@corp.supernews.com...
>> Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>> Che Guevera.
>>>
>>> Just started reading it. Am I wasting my time?
>>
>> Purported to be about motorcycling to the degree that
>> /Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance/ is about
>> motorcycling...
>
>Now *that* is a waste of a read.
I love it! I've read it 3 times!
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:20 am
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On Jan 31, 10:10 pm, Champ <n....TakeThisOut@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:09:25 -0000, "Beelzebub" <nig....TakeThisOut@the.world>
> wrote:
> >> Purported to be about motorcycling to the degree that
> >> /Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance/ is about
> >> motorcycling...
>
> >Now *that* is a waste of a read.
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> I love it! I've read it 3 times!
really?
I had you down as a rationalist.
Go and stand in the corner with Porl.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:22 am
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On Feb 1, 11:11 am, Champ <n... DeleteThis @champ.org.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 02:20:36 -0800 (PST), darsy
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> <sillygoo... DeleteThis @sticky.co.uk> wrote:
> >On Jan 31, 10:10 pm, Champ <n... DeleteThis @champ.org.uk> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:09:25 -0000, "Beelzebub" <nig... DeleteThis @the.world>
> >> wrote:
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> >> >> Purported to be about motorcycling to the degree that
> >> >> /Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance/ is about
> >> >> motorcycling...
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> >> >Now *that* is a waste of a read.
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> >> I love it! I've read it 3 times!
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> >really?
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> >I had you down as a rationalist.
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> <back pedals furiously> The last time I read it was a long time ago.
> But I don't recall anything in there that clashes with being a
> rationalist. I particularly liked all the stuff about perception of
> quality.
the whole thing's pretty much about the perception of quality (as
referenced by the book's subtitle). But one of Persig's main arguments
is that in order to properly understand what quality is, we should
embrace non-rational or mystic modes of thought as well as the
rational and logical. It's basically hippy philosophy-wank.
> >Go and stand in the corner with Porl.
>
> Aren't there any other corners?
I suppose Persig's teachings are rather less toe-curlingly wanky than
Ouspensky's, so you at least stand back to back with porl rather than
having to look at him.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:24 am
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On 1 Feb, 11:11, Champ <n... DeleteThis @champ.org.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 02:20:36 -0800 (PST), darsy
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> <sillygoo... DeleteThis @sticky.co.uk> wrote:
> >On Jan 31, 10:10 pm, Champ <n... DeleteThis @champ.org.uk> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:09:25 -0000, "Beelzebub" <nig... DeleteThis @the.world>
> >> wrote:
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> >> >> Purported to be about motorcycling to the degree that
> >> >> /Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance/ is about
> >> >> motorcycling...
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> >> >Now *that* is a waste of a read.
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> >> I love it! I've read it 3 times!
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> >really?
>
> >I had you down as a rationalist.
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> <back pedals furiously> The last time I read it was a long time ago.
> But I don't recall anything in there that clashes with being a
> rationalist. I particularly liked all the stuff about perception of
> quality.
<Considers opening popcorn>
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:29 am
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On 1 Feb, 11:22, darsy <sillygoo....RemoveThis@sticky.co.uk> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 11:11 am, Champ <n....RemoveThis@champ.org.uk> wrote:
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> > On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 02:20:36 -0800 (PST), darsy
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> > <sillygoo....RemoveThis@sticky.co.uk> wrote:
> > >On Jan 31, 10:10 pm, Champ <n....RemoveThis@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:09:25 -0000, "Beelzebub" <nig....RemoveThis@the.world>
> > >> wrote:
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> > >> >> Purported to be about motorcycling to the degree that
> > >> >> /Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance/ is about
> > >> >> motorcycling...
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> > >> >Now *that* is a waste of a read.
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> > >> I love it! I've read it 3 times!
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> > >really?
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> > >I had you down as a rationalist.
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> > <back pedals furiously> The last time I read it was a long time ago.
> > But I don't recall anything in there that clashes with being a
> > rationalist. I particularly liked all the stuff about perception of
> > quality.
>
> the whole thing's pretty much about the perception of quality (as
> referenced by the book's subtitle). But one of Persig's main arguments
> is that in order to properly understand what quality is, we should
> embrace non-rational or mystic modes of thought as well as the
> rational and logical. It's basically hippy philosophy-wank.
Maybe , but pre-intellectual awareness is quite an interesting concept
IMO.
Did you know that he was on the receiving end of a Sokal type spoof in
2005?
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:34 am
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On Feb 1, 11:29 am, pe....DeleteThis@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk wrote:
> On 1 Feb, 11:22, darsy <sillygoo....DeleteThis@sticky.co.uk> wrote:
> > the whole thing's pretty much about the perception of quality (as
> > referenced by the book's subtitle). But one of Persig's main arguments
> > is that in order to properly understand what quality is, we should
> > embrace non-rational or mystic modes of thought as well as the
> > rational and logical. It's basically hippy philosophy-wank.
>
> Maybe , but pre-intellectual awareness is quite an interesting concept
> IMO.
for "complete bollocks" values of "concept", of course.
> Did you know that he was on the receiving end of a Sokal type spoof in
> 2005?
nope - do tell.
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