Moto-ST?

T3 gossips:

> I've been hearing alot of 2nd hand stuff about Moto-ST maybe taking a run at
> Proracing with expanded classes, as well as calender next year. Thoughts?

Ya think maybe Edmondson would like to take a few more bucks out
of the Proracing coffers?


Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
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Bruce Hartweg wrote:
> T3 wrote:
> > I've been hearing alot of 2nd hand stuff about Moto-ST maybe taking a run at
> > Proracing with expanded classes, as well as calender next year. Thoughts?

> Could be good - they might really know how to build a base & support for
> growing MC racing, my concern is who is going to ride in it? Chicken/egg
> thing, until it is big enough to really compete with AMA it'll be hard
> to get top riders & without top riders it'll be hard to grow & compete.

What it takes is the factories jumping, they are the ones who decide
who has a real show and who doesn't. When Edmondson decided to take on
the AMA in '95 and several tracks went with him, it was the aligning
of the factories with the AMA that snuffed that out. But the factories
will NOT jump unless they are truly unhappy with where they are, and
see a truly viable alternative.

I vaguely remember what happened in Australia when another series
challenged ARRC back in the early '90s (?), and it seemed like that
really ended that country having a truly top national championship
series. And of course there's been the George/IRL challenge to CART in
indy car racing that pretty much destroyed open wheel in America.
Before anyone gets too excited about finally being able to dump the
AMA, think about all the possible alternatives. And I think Moto-ST's
association with France and Daytona is NOT a good thing for bike
racing, it smeels too much like the IRL - can you imagine a bike
series that's entirely run on road courses inside bowls? Something tio
think about on the weekend of the Loudon "Classic"...

No, I think what would be better is for someone who knows what they're
doing to buy the series from the AMA. Of course, who's really out
there who knows what they're doing?
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T3 wrote:
> I've been hearing alot of 2nd hand stuff about Moto-ST maybe taking a run at
> Proracing with expanded classes, as well as calender next year. Thoughts?
>
>
Not my thoughts, but someone who people actually listen to:

<http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2007/Jun/070612f2.htm>

Bruce
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"Bruce Hartweg" wrote in message

> T3 wrote:
>> I've been hearing alot of 2nd hand stuff about Moto-ST maybe taking a run
>> at Proracing with expanded classes, as well as calender next year.
>> Thoughts?
>
> Could be good - they might really know how to build a base & support for
> growing MC racing, my concern is who is going to ride in it? Chicken/egg
> thing, until it is big enough to really compete with AMA it'll be hard
> to get top riders & without top riders it'll be hard to grow & compete.

Ya'know? I don't know, but given who's behind ST they definitely have the
pockets deep enough to make a run. The riders will prolly go where the money
is, it's the OEM's that might be the stumbling block, as it stands right now
no one's talking about what they envision, or for that matter, how they
would run the series. Me? I like the pit stops, but there's others that find
them a sacrilege. As it is today they don't run anything that directly
competes with Proracing, but that could change pretty quick if they got the
green light from the Nips and that could happen with a conference call. Heh,
if you see infield courses being laid out, or repaved at NASCAR venues,
watch out!
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"sturd" wrote in message

> T3 gossips:
>
>> I've been hearing alot of 2nd hand stuff about Moto-ST maybe taking a run
>> at
>> Proracing with expanded classes, as well as calender next year. Thoughts?
>
> Ya think maybe Edmondson would like to take a few more bucks out
> of the Proracing coffers?

From what I hear, he's only gonna be satisfied throwing a shovel of dirt of
their grave, but making another boat-load of buck$ doing it wouldn't be too
bad either...
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"Bruce Hartweg" wrote in message

> T3 wrote:
>> I've been hearing alot of 2nd hand stuff about Moto-ST maybe taking a run
>> at Proracing with expanded classes, as well as calender next year.
>> Thoughts?
> Not my thoughts, but someone who people actually listen to:
>
> <http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2007/Jun/070612f2.htm>

Yeah, I just finished reading the CW article, suffice to say, it wasn't a
glowing endorsement, but if I get too deep in it here you know who will
start baggin' and raggin' on me and we've sorta smoked the peace pipe of
late, so it's just not worth it to go there...(right now, anyway;-)


(T3's RMR rule #5, bad mouth AMA at your peril and only if you have a lot of
spare time...)
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"Mark N" wrote in message

> Bruce Hartweg wrote:
>> T3 wrote:
>> > I've been hearing alot of 2nd hand stuff about Moto-ST maybe taking a
>> > run at
>> > Proracing with expanded classes, as well as calender next year.
>> > Thoughts?
>
>> Could be good - they might really know how to build a base & support for
>> growing MC racing, my concern is who is going to ride in it? Chicken/egg
>> thing, until it is big enough to really compete with AMA it'll be hard
>> to get top riders & without top riders it'll be hard to grow & compete.
>
> What it takes is the factories jumping, they are the ones who decide
> who has a real show and who doesn't. When Edmondson decided to take on
> the AMA in '95 and several tracks went with him, it was the aligning
> of the factories with the AMA that snuffed that out. But the factories
> will NOT jump unless they are truly unhappy with where they are, and
> see a truly viable alternative.

I think you're correct, he didn't have all the ducks lined up, nor did he
have the heavy hitters and deep pocket boys behind him either. It just might
be different this time around, very different indeed..

>
> I vaguely remember what happened in Australia when another series
> challenged ARRC back in the early '90s (?), and it seemed like that
> really ended that country having a truly top national championship
> series. And of course there's been the George/IRL challenge to CART in
> indy car racing that pretty much destroyed open wheel in America.
> Before anyone gets too excited about finally being able to dump the
> AMA, think about all the possible alternatives. And I think Moto-ST's
> association with France and Daytona is NOT a good thing for bike
> racing, it smeels too much like the IRL - can you imagine a bike
> series that's entirely run on road courses inside bowls? Something tio
> think about on the weekend of the Loudon "Classic"...

Tony George is small time compared to France and associates Mark and he
isn't that small. If in fact ST makes a major move on AMA I'd imagine they'd
simply cut a check and not a very large one either, though if they had tacit
appoval from the OEM's they might not feel the need.
So, why don't you like France? Like that outfit doesn't know how to run a
series? Or is it something deeper, like your undying hatred of anything not
Californicated? I'm being serious now, so don't go off and start slammin'
me, 'kay?

>
> No, I think what would be better is for someone who knows what they're
> doing to buy the series from the AMA. Of course, who's really out
> there who knows what they're doing?

Err, the Moto-ST boys?
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T3 wrote:
>
> Tony George is small time compared to France and associates Mark and he
> isn't that small. If in fact ST makes a major move on AMA I'd imagine they'd
> simply cut a check and not a very large one either, though if they had tacit
> appoval from the OEM's they might not feel the need.
> So, why don't you like France? Like that outfit doesn't know how to run a
> series? Or is it something deeper, like your undying hatred of anything not
> Californicated? I'm being serious now, so don't go off and start slammin'
> me, 'kay?
>

Don't know about Mark, but for me it seems if will go for a 2 wheel NASCAR
which might work and make billions of dollars for everyone invloved, but the
actual racing will be on slow bikes with artificial restrictions so they can
run in all the old tracks ( a big point in that article) which means that it
won't be that interesting to me to watch, won't be pushing bike development,
won;t be putting better, newer, updated tracks that could also host World SBK
or MotoGP bikes.

Bruce
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"Bruce Hartweg" wrote in message

>
> Don't know about Mark, but for me it seems if will go for a 2 wheel NASCAR
> which might work and make billions of dollars for everyone invloved, but
> the
> actual racing will be on slow bikes with artificial restrictions so they
> can
> run in all the old tracks ( a big point in that article) which means that
> it
> won't be that interesting to me to watch, won't be pushing bike
> development,
> won;t be putting better, newer, updated tracks that could also host World
> SBK
> or MotoGP bikes.

If in fact that's what they propose I will be one of the first to openly
trash it, though I'd be very surprised if the OEM's go for anything like
that. The track issue is a horse of a different color and with the financial
climate as it is today, I'd be very surprised if we see (m)any new road
courses anytime soon, that and the cold fact that France owns a bunch of
bowls already and some of those concrete abominations might not be too bad
if they had a decent infield. Would it be perfect? Hell no, but it could be
a lot better than lanquishing as we are now. Oh, and don't think I'm sold on
any ST deal, I'm just musing the what if's...
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