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OurTim

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:10 am
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Morning!

The sun is shining, we're starting to get some decent hours of
daylight, the prospect of snow and ice is many months away and I'm
flirting with doing some courier work in London.

Just fishing for words of wisdom from the (er vast) experience on UKRM
basically, as courier work isn't something I've any experience of.

Who's good to work for, who isn't, are the hours going to crucify me,
will I end up sad single lonely and crying into my guinness after three
weeks nursing broken bones and hurt pride? Damn that male ego.

What are the prospects for earning the filmstar salary that I'm so
convinced I deserve that'll enable me to retire to the bahamas with
Izzy from Hollyoaks on a 60ft yacht.

Basically I'd welcome any advice going including a bit of expectation
management.

Many thanks
Tim

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:31 am
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er to coin a phrase ... Bugger.

So its not much of a career option then...

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:46 am
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OK so my romantic vision of strolling through offices staffed by
stunning smartly dressed ladies in their 20's and 30's fancying a bit
of rough with the leather clad biker before a sunkissed afternoon
cruise on the bike, while being handsomely paid for both bike riding
and flirting outrageously, can essentially be summed up as total
b*llocks then?


So would it be wrong to ask who is generally leaping into this work all
keen and pleased to be there when the concensus here can be summed up
in one word - Crap.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:18 am
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Well blimey I thank you all for taking care of my delusions on courier
work.

I'll just cancel that yacht order and put my carribbean retirement on
hold then. Arse.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:32 am
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dwb wrote:
 > Champ wrote:
  > >
  > > Definitely one of the highlights of courier work is gawping at the
  > > office totty. I used to do occasional drops for Vogue Magazine,
and
  > > the women there were unbelievable.
 >
 > We have the internet for that these days

not quite the same experience.

I'm just back from Costa Coffee @ St.Pauls, and I walked through
Paternoster Square - the "gorgeous office totty in not quite enough
clothes for the actual temperature" factor is bloody huge today.

I do like some aspects of working in The City.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:43 am
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OurTim wrote:
 > OK so my romantic vision of strolling through offices staffed by
 > stunning smartly dressed ladies in their 20's and 30's fancying a bit
 > of rough with the leather clad biker before a sunkissed afternoon
 > cruise on the bike, while being handsomely paid for both bike riding
 > and flirting outrageously, can essentially be summed up as total
 > b*llocks then?
 >
 >
 > So would it be wrong to ask who is generally leaping into this work
all
 > keen and pleased to be there when the concensus here can be summed up
 > in one word - Crap.


Well, I did it over 20 years ago, when the fax machine was in its
infancy and the interwebthingy didn't exist......

I don't think much has changed except that the traffic has got heavier
and the payment rates probably haven't kept pace with inflation.

First thing is you'll need more than one bike. At some point your bike
is going to be off the road for one reason or another and you need a
back-up.

Secondly, you need to strike the right balance between something
that'll get the job done quickly, easily and cheaply and something that
doesn't cost a fortune to run. If your company does all its work in
town, or within the M25, there's little point in having anything much
bigger than a basic four-stroke 250 like a Honda CB or Suzuki GN.

If it does a lot of out-of-town work, then you're going to need a cheap
& cheerful shaftie. XJ900 Diversion, GT550 Kawa, ShiteOldBMW even.

What you don't want to do is despatch on a Jap plastic sports bike.
That's insanity. If you're going 1000 miles a week on a 40mpg bike,
that's a fuel bill of a ton weekly, an oil change every three weeks, a
new rear tyre every six weeks... well, you can do the maths.

Insurance - others have mentioned it. Remember that in summer the work
dries up a bit, because people are on holiday and the students are
doing the job as a summer thing. Winter is much more lucrative, but the
pitfalls are obvious.

The good big companies tend not to take beginners. The cheapo cowboys
will take anyone, but whatever you're told you'll earn, halve it.
You'll get given the shite jobs at first, until you've proved your
reliability.

It is possible to earn a reasonable living, but the guys who do have
got the job down to a fine art. They know exactly what bikes to use,
they know every short cut and back double in London, and they never
seem to be riding fast yet somehow they're always at the front of the
queue when the lights change.

As a summer job, if you're canny, yeah, OK. As a stop-gap, possibly.
Very few people regard it as a long-term thing.

Oddly, I look bike on my DR days with some fondness. I stayed shiny
side up for a couple of years, managed to make a living of sorts
(enough to buy a big bike and go skiing every year), and had some
wonderful mates.

When it was good, on a nice summer's day, with the radio net full of
jobs, it was great. Especially during the postal strike - every DR
cleaned up.

When it was bad, like at the end of a shitty week with two punctures,
the rain pissing down, the traffic snarled up, and a Friday 6pm call to
go out to Heathrow, it was horrible.

Give it a try and find out for yourself.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:49 am
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Cab wrote:
 > Bear wrote:
 >
  > > OTOH, weirdly, I'm actually glad I did it for a year, but as a
  > > career? No, not good.
 >
 > Career? Heh. <G>
 >
 > Mind you, there are some old timers out there, but even they would
tell
 > you that they're only doing it for a few more months. The fact that
 > they told you the same story 10 years ago, is by-the-by.
 >

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:36 am
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Bear wrote:
 > In article <xn0e0px1o67u7o002 RemoveThis @rosbif.home>, Cab says...
  > > Bear wrote:
  > >
   > > > OTOH, weirdly, I'm actually glad I did it for a year, but as a
   > > > career? No, not good.
  > >
  > > Career? Heh. <G>
  > >
  > > Mind you, there are some old timers out there, but even they would
tell
  > > you that they're only doing it for a few more months. The fact that
  > > they told you the same story 10 years ago, is by-the-by.
 >
 > When I was dispatching (18-19 or so years ago now), there was a bloke

 > with another company who'd been dispatching for 17 years, firstly in
the
 > army, then afterwards in civvie street. He had never, *ever* had an
 > accident, not after his basic training. Not a one.
 >
 > He lost the front on diesel approaching a roundabout somewhere on the

 > North Circ, slid, and went straight under the wheels of an artic.
Brown
 > bread. Utterly amazing when you think about it. I swear it's true,
too.


Sounds very like a bloke I remember. Tony Powers, rode an ex-Plod BMW,
and his picture is in Bike of May 1981. He was a great geezer - worked
for.... Embassy, that was it. Had something like four aerials on his
Beemer: despatch radio, CB, BloodNet (or whatever it was called), and
the stereo in the fairing. Damn thing looked like a sputnik. Or a Gold
Wing.

K9 was his callsign - I find it slightly worrying that I can still
remember this, over the decades.

One Friday evening, diesel on the road, lost it, under a bus, curtains.
Monday morning the word got around. Rather upset me, did that. Must
have been 1982 or 1983.

In the couple of years that I did it, working for Mercury, we had no
serious accidents *at all*, which I still think is amazing. One of our
guys suffered a hit-and-run early on Sunday morning, leaving a party,
but that doesn't count.

What nobody's mentioned as a benefit is that you acquire a really good
knowledge of London. Even now, if I have to visit a company in, say,
Mortimer Street, I find myself thinking:

"Up Park Lane from Hyde Park Corner, keep right, right into Brook
Street, across Grosvenor Square, Brook Street, across New Bond Street,
into Hanover Square, leave via Princes Street, left into Regent Street,
over Oxford Circus, turn right just before the Beeb......."<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:50 am
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Yeah I've learned a lot, today. All gratefully received.

The idea of bouncing someone elses bike round town does quite appeal.
I passed the Direct Access in 2000 and know my way round town
reasonably well. So yeah I think that'd be a good option.

A lot more appealing than taking up pedal cycle courriering round the
city. My hairy beer gut needs concealed in leather not displayed in a
lycra bib. And I feel a lot safer with a full-face lid and half decent
engine. Though can't deny the exercise would do me good.

I'll research the courier firms out there...
Cheers to y'all.

Sadly the "Office totty not quite wearing enough factor" was not upto
much in Hampton court today. Damn the suburbs!
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:55 am
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In news:1112868655.754792.312360@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,
OurTim <tim.smart.RemoveThis@lineone.net> said:
[snip]
 > Basically I'd welcome any advice going including a bit of expectation
 > management.

From what I've gathered when this topic has come up in the past:

It's shit work, the wages are crap, and you'll probably die.

HTH.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:14 am
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"Don't go south of the Golden Gate Bridge mate.
Not after the last time."

( From another thread:
http://sfsurvey.com/photos/sai­l/imagepages/image1.htm )

Aye, spotted that earlier - he really should have seen that coming in
broad daylight, taking a boat like that between a shallow shingle beach
and a bridge support with those waves. The surfers hanging about would
have been a clue? Dramatic photos though!
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:50 am
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Our Tim sed:

 >I'll just cancel that yacht order and put my >carribbean retirement
onhold then.

Heh. You could set up as a water taxi in the carribean if you sell the
bike and buy a boat.

Damn. You're going to ask about being a bike taxi now aintcha?

'Airport is it miss'?

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:55 am
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OurTim wrote:

 > Morning!

 > Who's good to work for, who isn't, are the hours going to crucify me,
 > will I end up sad single lonely and crying into my guinness after three
 > weeks nursing broken bones and hurt pride? Damn that male ego.

Courier companies are universally shit. WC will be along shortly to
give you the benefit of his recent experience. To surmise: crap work,
crap pay and generally crap.

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:55 am
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"OurTim" <tim.smart DeleteThis @lineone.net> wrote in message
news:1112868655.754792.312360@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
 > Morning!
 >
 > The sun is shining, we're starting to get some decent hours of
 > daylight, the prospect of snow and ice is many months away and I'm
 > flirting with doing some courier work in London.

Hahahaha... hahahahaha

Who said 'New Romance' was dead...

 > Just fishing for words of wisdom from the (er vast) experience on UKRM
 > basically, as courier work isn't something I've any experience of.

 > Who's good to work for, who isn't, are the hours going to crucify me,
 > will I end up sad single lonely and crying into my guinness after three
 > weeks nursing broken bones and hurt pride? Damn that male ego.

 > What are the prospects for earning the filmstar salary that I'm so
 > convinced I deserve that'll enable me to retire to the bahamas with
 > Izzy from Hollyoaks on a 60ft yacht.

 > Basically I'd welcome any advice going including a bit of expectation
 > management.

"Don't", basically.

HTH

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