Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 question

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:59:12 +0000, Irishdevlin wrote:

 > I seen a 1999 1500 and swore it sounded like a harley. My question is can a
 > 1997 1500 sound the same with drag pipes or is there a diff between the actual
 > engines?
 > Thanks in advance
 > Kevin

The 1997 and 1999 are the same engine. Only difference between the two
bikes are a slightly more powerful alternator in the 99 and the 99 is a 5
speed vs the 97 4 speed.

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 > Kevin ...
 > As mentioned before, the reason a Vtwin
 > Kaw (kinda) sounds like a Harley is that they've been smart enough to
 > stay with a single pin crank, as opposed to the twin pin. That's why
the
 > older (pre '98 I think) Honda 1100s have that potato potato sound, and
 > the later ones have that shhtato shhtato sound.
 > It just don't get it, for me anyway. Their
 > 750s and 600s sound better, but they (again) use the single pin crank.
 >
Isn't it the single pin crank that causes extra vibration? If so, why
would engineering that into a bike be a smart thing?

That are the advantages/disadvantages of a single pin and dual pin
crank? With a V-twin, I can see that they'd be more physically inline
with a single pin, but then you have them firing close together than
with a dual pin?

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"Robert Bolton" <robertboltondrop.TakeThisOut@gci.net> wrote in message
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 > "moto" <motownmoto.TakeThisOut@webtv.net> wrote in message
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  > > Kevin ...
  > > As mentioned before, the reason a Vtwin
  > > Kaw (kinda) sounds like a Harley is that they've been smart enough
to
  > > stay with a single pin crank, as opposed to the twin pin. That's why
 > the
  > > older (pre '98 I think) Honda 1100s have that potato potato sound,
and
  > > the later ones have that shhtato shhtato sound.
  > > It just don't get it, for me anyway. Their
  > > 750s and 600s sound better, but they (again) use the single pin
crank.
  > >
 > Isn't it the single pin crank that causes extra vibration? If so, why
 > would engineering that into a bike be a smart thing?
 >
 > That are the advantages/disadvantages of a single pin and dual pin
 > crank? With a V-twin, I can see that they'd be more physically inline
 > with a single pin, but then you have them firing close together than
 > with a dual pin?
 >
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Robert ...
The folks at Kaw (and others) have been smart enough to build
counterbalancers into their engines, plus a bit of rubber mounting to
kill the vibes. Just not enough to kill the 'feel' of the Vtwin. H/D is
now using more, or added rubber mounts to some of their '04s as a means
to kill the vibes.
I would Now consider an 883 Sporty, where before it was not on my list
of bikes to own.



moto


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look. Hmmmm, horny little devil, ain't ya?

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'01 Magna.... Black Magic
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no quote ...
Isn't that the reason most folks buy a Vtwin? It's the 'feel' of that
engine. I call it 'cadence'. It does somthin' to ya when you hear or
ride it.
I passed on a beautiful '02 1100 Sabre just for that reason. That engine
lacked that cadenence. It has/had No personality whatsoever. Good bike,
lousy 'feel'.

It's one o' lifes' little mysteries. <bg>



moto


"You only go 'round once", it's said. If you play it right, that should
be enough.


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'01 Magna.... Black Magic
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:41:15 -0900, Robert Bolton wrote:

 >
 > "moto" <motownmoto RemoveThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
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  >> Kevin ...
  >> As mentioned before, the reason a Vtwin
  >> Kaw (kinda) sounds like a Harley is that they've been smart enough to
  >> stay with a single pin crank, as opposed to the twin pin. That's why
 > the
  >> older (pre '98 I think) Honda 1100s have that potato potato sound, and
  >> the later ones have that shhtato shhtato sound.
  >> It just don't get it, for me anyway. Their
  >> 750s and 600s sound better, but they (again) use the single pin crank.
  >>
 > Isn't it the single pin crank that causes extra vibration? If so, why
 > would engineering that into a bike be a smart thing?
 >
 > That are the advantages/disadvantages of a single pin and dual pin
 > crank? With a V-twin, I can see that they'd be more physically inline
 > with a single pin, but then you have them firing close together than
 > with a dual pin?
 >
 > Inquiring minds and all,
 > Robert

Engineering a single pin crank is easier and cheaper than a dual pin
crank, plus it allows a more inline V than a dual pin. The firing order
isn't that much off on a single pin than a dual pin on a 45 degree V-Twin
(Harley is 45, Kawasaki is 47, Honda is 50, or something like that, but
all very close), but it is enough to give it that lope. The further out
from 45 towards 90, the bigger the lope on single pin. Counterbalancers
and/or rubber mounting are used to cut some of the vibration down without
getting rid of the loping sound.

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"Odinn" <odinn.TakeThisOut@atlantab_k_r.n_t> wrote in message
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 > On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:41:15 -0900, Robert Bolton wrote:
 >
  > >
  > > "moto" <motownmoto.TakeThisOut@webtv.net> wrote in message
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   > >> Kevin ...
   > >> As mentioned before, the reason a Vtwin
   > >> Kaw (kinda) sounds like a Harley is that they've been smart enough
to
   > >> stay with a single pin crank, as opposed to the twin pin. That's
why
  > > the
   > >> older (pre '98 I think) Honda 1100s have that potato potato sound,
and
   > >> the later ones have that shhtato shhtato sound.
   > >> It just don't get it, for me anyway. Their
   > >> 750s and 600s sound better, but they (again) use the single pin
crank.
   > >>
  > > Isn't it the single pin crank that causes extra vibration? If so,
why
  > > would engineering that into a bike be a smart thing?
  > >
  > > That are the advantages/disadvantages of a single pin and dual pin
  > > crank? With a V-twin, I can see that they'd be more physically
inline
  > > with a single pin, but then you have them firing close together than
  > > with a dual pin?
  > >
  > > Inquiring minds and all,
  > > Robert
 >
 > Engineering a single pin crank is easier and cheaper than a dual pin
 > crank, plus it allows a more inline V than a dual pin. The firing
order
 > isn't that much off on a single pin than a dual pin on a 45 degree
V-Twin
 > (Harley is 45, Kawasaki is 47, Honda is 50, or something like that,
but
 > all very close), but it is enough to give it that lope. The further
out
 > from 45 towards 90, the bigger the lope on single pin.
Counterbalancers
 > and/or rubber mounting are used to cut some of the vibration down
without
 > getting rid of the loping sound.
 >
Appreciatethe responses,

Looking at the link below reminded me that there is an exhaust stroke
(duh), so that the actual firing of the cylinders isn't that far off
from being once for every 360 degrees. For Harley, a piston fires, next
fire is at 315 degrees, next fire is at 405 degrees, next fire at 315
degrees.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.sa750.com/vtwin/vtwin.htm" target="_blank">http://www.sa750.com/vtwin/vtwin.htm</a>

The next link showed me that a dual pin crank doesn't necessarily mean
the cylinders fire at 360 degrees apart. Interesting. I would have
thought that dual crank pins would have been offset to get that. Quite
a few manufactureres seem to use the single pin. It looks line inlines
and boxers are the only types that fire 360 degrees apart.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mecc.unipd.it/~cos/DINAMOTO/twin%20motors/twin.html" target="_blank">http://www.mecc.unipd.it/~cos/DINAMOTO/twin%20motors/twin.html</a>

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 > Robert ...
 > The folks at Kaw (and others) have been smart enough to build
 > counterbalancers into their engines, plus a bit of rubber mounting to
 > kill the vibes. Just not enough to kill the 'feel' of the Vtwin.



 > H/D is
 > now using more, or added rubber mounts to some of their '04s as a means
 > to kill the vibes.

Most of the big Harleys *have been* rubber mounted since the early
eighties.

Softails are all hardmounted but have had counerbalancers since 2000.

It is only the Sportster that recently acquired rubber mounts. Buells
have always been rubber mounted.

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Rayvan ...
They said the Sportys are using Buell's system for the rubber mounts on
the bikes. That 883 (now) is a bike to consider. For 7k, you own a
Harley, and a fairly decent bike.



moto


"You only go 'round once", it's said. If you play it right, that should
be enough.


'02 750 Ace The Twin
'01 Magna.... Black Magic
'95 750 Nighthawk.. Big Red
'95 Helix........ Little Red
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 > Rayvan ...
 > They said the Sportys are using Buell's system for the rubber mounts on
 > the bikes. That 883 (now) is a bike to consider. For 7k, you own a
 > Harley, and a fairly decent bike.

And for about 550 bux and about six hours labor, you can still bore
one out to a 1200cc!

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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:08:31 -0800, Rayvan wrote:

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  >> Robert ...
  >> The folks at Kaw (and others) have been smart enough to build
  >> counterbalancers into their engines, plus a bit of rubber mounting to
  >> kill the vibes. Just not enough to kill the 'feel' of the Vtwin.
 >
 >
 >
  >> H/D is
  >> now using more, or added rubber mounts to some of their '04s as a means
  >> to kill the vibes.
 >
 > Most of the big Harleys *have been* rubber mounted since the early
 > eighties.
 >
 > Softails are all hardmounted but have had counerbalancers since 2000.
 >
 > It is only the Sportster that recently acquired rubber mounts. Buells
 > have always been rubber mounted.
 >
 > Rayvan

What do you expect from moto, he's an idiot and knows not what he speaks
most of the time.

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Odinn ...
Please note: I made NO reference to Anything other than the Sporty. I'm
fully aware of what H/Ds models already have isolation systems as part
of their package.
I'm also aware of which Vtwin engines built by most other manufacturers
that are twin and single pin.
If you read (that's if you could read) and/or asked questions before
shooting off your mouth, and posts, you'd know too, dipshit.




moto

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'01 Magna.... Black Magic
'95 750 Nighthawk.. Big Red
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Rayvan ...
But, for about $800, you can have an 883 converted to a 1200 by a pro,
and you get a warranty.
Randys Cycle in Ill. does the whole job for just under $800.



moto

When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a thumb.

'02 750 Ace The Twin
'01 Magna.... Black Magic
'95 750 Nighthawk.. Big Red
'95 Helix........ Little Red
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