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Daniel Bannon2

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:02 am
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I've watched Joe Rocket products since they arrived on the American
scene c. 1999. Some clever person or consortium found the financial
backing, identified a market need (low-cost, medium quality, catchy
styles), found a manufacturer, and filled the bill. I'd like to read
the business case-study.

Anyway, I own two pieces. Both are decent: one a summer jacket, the
other semi-waterproof pants. Both were relatively inexpensive. On
inspection, neither use the highest-quality components or stitching,
but there's that "low cost" thing again.

The "waterproof" pants really aren't, but hold up well enough about
20-30 minutes in moderate rain. That's almost to be expected, though
one would hope for better. In pants, I tolerate a little leaking.
Jacket, no way: bought an Aerostich instead which does not leak, as in
"ever."

I've witnessed a couple guys drill in wearing JR gear, plus heard
anecdotes. Every crash scenario is different, making direct
comparisons difficult and subjective. The ones I witnessed flew off,
slid a short distance, and exited the road into ditches or dirt. Both
guys did well: the light armor and synthetic abrasion resistance held
up quite well indeed.

On the other hand, guys who crashed on pavement and slid sometimes
suffered garment failure. Chalk it up to either the brand or textile
jackets in general: all things being equal, they won't abrade as well
as leather. That's the trade-off we sometimes make to ride in hot or
rainy weather, neither condition conducive to leathers.

My inexpensive JR pants date from early Y2K. Today I wore them on my
first rainy commute day in roughly four months. Not much to write
home to mom about, but oddly enough they just keep going and going:
reasonably comfortable, well-tailored, and moderately robust. I've
not lost a zipper or major seam, with roughly 40 riding days per year
wearing them. As mentioned, they hold up awhile under driving rain,
then soak through in a few spots. For serious distance, that'd be a
problem but for my commute I'm not particularly perturbed: I keep dry
clothes at work or in a garment carrier in the hard bag.

Not a bad $100 for textile pants.

Guess you pays your money and takes your chances. They ain't
Aerostich, but then again no one claimed they were.

'-----------------------------------------------------
' Daniel Bannon
' NW WA State, U.S.A.
' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX
'-----------------------------------------------------

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:02 am
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Agreed.

I have the ballistic 2.0 pant, which I only wear in the winter, but that's
2-3 (short) rides per weekday for 5-6 months, so I've taken them on and off
hundreds of times. (I wear them every day because it's cold, even though
only rainy occasionally.) Held up well so far, but they came with a funny
defect, which is the webbed belt is far too short (hardly makes it to the
nylon loop it's supposed to fold around). No leaks so far, but then again
my rides are short. Can't stand to wear them in the summer, no
breatheability and padded (insulated) hips.

The Phoenix jacket I unfortunately crashed in this summer. A lowside on
blacktop, at only maybe 20. It did a good job with little damage, whereas
my Dockers were rather shredded, so I feel the mesh jobbies are definitely
better than nothing.

My FirstGear Kilimanjaro has also served well for almost 3 years now, 2 of
them daily year-round use from high 20s to low 100s (not comfortable at
either end of the temperature spectrum though!) And I bought it used.

I just don't think leather is a good material for daily, all-season,
around-town motorcycling. I plan to stick with nylon.

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Troy the Troll1

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:18 am
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 > Guess you pays your money and takes your chances. They ain't
 > Aerostich, but then again no one claimed they were.
 >
 > '-----------------------------------------------------
 > ' Daniel Bannon
 > ' NW WA State, U.S.A.
 > ' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX


I bought a JR Tahoe jacket when I bought the baby zook, its been in the cold
a few times, rain a few times more, and while I beleive it has a somewhat
questionable build quality for the retail price ( I'm afraid to pull real
hard when a snap won't release, they tend to pop right off altogether ), I
didn't pay anywhere near retail ( ebay rules ! ), and it has kept me warm
down to near freezing temperatures, and dry when it rained ( and was cold as
well ).

Not a clue as to how it behaves in a crash, and would rather not find out,
but its better than a sweat shirt.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:18 am
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My JR Meteor jacket took 1900 miles of abuse, from the extreme heat, the
gail force winds, severe rain and even 35 degree weather without missing a
beat. Even during the rain, I didn't get wet, my buddy with the $400+ SPIDI
jacket was soaked. During the coldest weather, I was quite warm, almost too
warm if that's possible. It vents really well for the PHX heat, even though
it becomes a sail, I could live with it. For $99, a closeout of last year's
model, I could be happier. I also have the Phoenix pants and jacket, they
are great. I'll buy something else if the prices are lower and quality is
better, however, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Kevin

"Troy the Troll" <f4boy.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Dwc7b.10568$mp.5797@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
  > > Guess you pays your money and takes your chances. They ain't
  > > Aerostich, but then again no one claimed they were.
  > >
  > > '-----------------------------------------------------
  > > ' Daniel Bannon
  > > ' NW WA State, U.S.A.
  > > ' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX
 >
 >
 > I bought a JR Tahoe jacket when I bought the baby zook, its been in the
cold
 > a few times, rain a few times more, and while I beleive it has a somewhat
 > questionable build quality for the retail price ( I'm afraid to pull real
 > hard when a snap won't release, they tend to pop right off altogether ), I
 > didn't pay anywhere near retail ( ebay rules ! ), and it has kept me warm
 > down to near freezing temperatures, and dry when it rained ( and was cold
as
 > well ).
 >
 > Not a clue as to how it behaves in a crash, and would rather not find out,
 > but its better than a sweat shirt.
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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_Bob Nixon_1

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:30 am
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On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 04:02:28 GMT, Daniel Bannon
<daniel_r_bannon RemoveThis @hahtmail.dott.c0mm> wrote:

 >I've watched Joe Rocket products since they arrived on the American
 >scene c. 1999. Some clever person or consortium found the financial
 >backing, identified a market need (low-cost, medium quality, catchy
 >styles), found a manufacturer, and filled the bill. I'd like to read
 >the business case-study.
 >
 >Anyway, I own two pieces. Both are decent: one a summer jacket, the
 >other semi-waterproof pants. Both were relatively inexpensive. On
 >inspection, neither use the highest-quality components or stitching,
 >but there's that "low cost" thing again.

I've bought a Phoenix jacket (second season) and find it suitable for
casual summer riding but that's it. Their gloves suck, IMO. My winter
gear is either Triumph leathers + heated liner or Tourmaster Cortex
jacket with various liners, from light or heated.


 >The "waterproof" pants really aren't, but hold up well enough about
 >20-30 minutes in moderate rain. That's almost to be expected, though
 >one would hope for better. In pants, I tolerate a little leaking.
 >Jacket, no way: bought an Aerostich instead which does not leak, as in
 >"ever."

My Aerostich one piece developed a minor crotch leak on the recent
Colorado trip. I didn't buy large enough for comply jeans underneath
and wear either cycling shorts and or long johns, with the top a
squeeze with a liner. And it's not particularly warm without the
liner below 50. Add the irritation of wearing it half on in
restaurants, ect and I find myself feeling confined by the damn thing.
I should have bought the two piece. About the only benefit is that the
beemer guys don't snub me when I wear it. To the good, It's nearly as
tough as leathers; tested in a medium speed track get off, with very
little damage either to myself or suit.

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 >I've witnessed a couple guys drill in wearing JR gear, plus heard
 >anecdotes. Every crash scenario is different, making direct
 >comparisons difficult and subjective. The ones I witnessed flew off,
 >slid a short distance, and exited the road into ditches or dirt. Both
 >guys did well: the light armor and synthetic abrasion resistance held
 >up quite well indeed.

I think the Phoenix jacket is good for one low speed crash.

[...]

 >Not a bad $100 for textile pants.

Yup and there's now lots of competition.


Bob Nixon
Phoenix AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED"<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Kurt Kesler1

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 9:05 am
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In article <csjqlvgp5s74jh4o1ra4f0tol5nhqfuuef DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
daniel_r_bannon DeleteThis @hahtmail.dott.c0mm says...

 >
 > Not a bad $100 for textile pants.
 >
 > Guess you pays your money and takes your chances. They ain't
 > Aerostich, but then again no one claimed they were.
 >
 > '-----------------------------------------------------
 > ' Daniel Bannon
 > ' NW WA State, U.S.A.
 > ' 2003 ZX636B Hercusaki, 1999 CBR1100XX
 > '-----------------------------------------------------
 >
I have a pair of their ballistic 4.0 pants and 2 hard drive coats (one
older, one newer). The older hard drive coat is definitely a better
winter coat, as it has the big neck warmer and also seems to seal out
wind better. Both keep you dry in the rain. The pants are fairly
waterproof IF you fold the crease at the knees properly. The crotch
leaks. They will either burn you up or freeze you, as they breathe
about as well as a trash bag.

I have some First Gear pants I like MUCH better for winter use. This
summer I picked up some Alpinestar mesh pants, which have done ok so
far.

Never been down in any of it so I can't speak to it's crashability. It
has held up well for me, and I ride to work daily (30 miles each way)
pretty much year round.

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Kurt Kesler

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:54 pm
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In article <cbjrlv8sd11nartm79ru8jv84fua5fbku2 DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
bilbo DeleteThis @nospam.com says...

 >
 > I've bought a Phoenix jacket (second season) and find it suitable for
 > casual summer riding but that's it. Their gloves suck, IMO.

Forgot about the gloves. Have a couple pair and they do indeed suck.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:58 am
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"_Bob Nixon_" <bilbo.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message news:cbjrlv8sd11nartm79ru8jv84fua5fbku2@4ax.com...

 > I've bought a Phoenix jacket (second season) and find it suitable for
 > casual summer riding but that's it. Their gloves suck, IMO. My winter
 > gear is either Triumph leathers + heated liner or Tourmaster Cortex
 > jacket with various liners, from light or heated.

I too have been using a Tourmaster Cortex jacket for almost 2 years and find it quite versatile.
Adjustable vents above the top pockets, 2 exhaust vents in the back and a pair of arm vents which
help a little bit when it gets hot (not to offen around here). Certainly not as cool as perforated
leather jackets in the heat but better then my non-perforated leather jacket. When the weather gets
colder you can zip in the thinsulate liner and stay warmer...

In the past year I've been given the opportunity to purchase 3 different Aerostich outfits--2 two
piece suits and a one piece...In all cases I've not been as impressed with the crash protection or
ventilation options of the Aerostich compaired to the Tourmaster. They are very well made but, but,
but....

BTW the extra pockets on the jacket allow me to forgo using my tankbag on one day trips--an
advantage I find more conducive to confortable sportbike riding....



  > >The "waterproof" pants really aren't, but hold up well enough about
  > >20-30 minutes in moderate rain. That's almost to be expected, though
  > >one would hope for better. In pants, I tolerate a little leaking.
  > >Jacket, no way: bought an Aerostich instead which does not leak, as in
  > >"ever."
 >
 > My Aerostich one piece developed a minor crotch leak on the recent
 > Colorado trip. I didn't buy large enough for comply jeans underneath
 > and wear either cycling shorts and or long johns, with the top a
 > squeeze with a liner. And it's not particularly warm without the
 > liner below 50. Add the irritation of wearing it half on in
 > restaurants, ect and I find myself feeling confined by the damn thing.
 > I should have bought the two piece. About the only benefit is that the
 > beemer guys don't snub me when I wear it. To the good, It's nearly as
 > tough as leathers; tested in a medium speed track get off, with very
 > little damage either to myself or suit.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tank69.com/images/cyclefest/DAY1/DSCN0011.JPG</font" target="_blank">http://www.tank69.com/images/cyclefest/DAY1/DSCN0011.JPG</font</a>>
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tank69.com/images/cyclefest/DAY1/DSCN0005.JPG</font" target="_blank">http://www.tank69.com/images/cyclefest/DAY1/DSCN0005.JPG</font</a>>
 >
  > >I've witnessed a couple guys drill in wearing JR gear, plus heard
  > >anecdotes. Every crash scenario is different, making direct
  > >comparisons difficult and subjective. The ones I witnessed flew off,
  > >slid a short distance, and exited the road into ditches or dirt. Both
  > >guys did well: the light armor and synthetic abrasion resistance held
  > >up quite well indeed.
 >
 > I think the Phoenix jacket is good for one low speed crash.
 >
 > [...]
 >
  > >Not a bad $100 for textile pants.
 >
 > Yup and there's now lots of competition.
 >
 >
 > Bob Nixon
 > Phoenix AZ
 > 01 Sprint ST "RED"<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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