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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 9:51 pm
Post subject: Jamin^2....electrical problems?
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So today I decide to go buy a new xbox game and take the bike ('01 929RR).
Ride to the mall, then to another shop and once I'm done there the bike wont
start and the clock is flashing 1:00. Hmm.. Lost power. I take off the
seat, check all of the fuses (all good) and try and turn it over again. All
I get is a clickity-click from the starter relay switch (contains a 30A
fuse). The starter relay switch is connected directly to the battery and
has an offshoot that goes to the secondary fuse box (for lights, ignition
etc - 10 and 20A fuses). I've never noticed the clicking noise before, so
my first guess was something is broken in the relay switch. Just for kicks
I try and bump start it. The bike runs for a few seconds and then dies
(peters out to a stop) even when giving it gas.
Andrew to the rescue! Thankfully Andrew had just got up and was fixing
breakfast. I'm pretty sure thats what he said...note this is at 3pm today,
so it seems the marriage thing is still "new" eh? I wouldn't know such a
life anymore as my 10th anniversary is in June. 
Andrew loads the bike up and we get it home, whereby I charge the battery.
Just went into the garage and the battery is charged - bike fires right up.
So my question is this (I don't have a complete shop manual, I've got
portions from the web) - how can I tell if the charging system is working on
the bike? Although I am fairly competent in wrenching - I've not got the
experience that Jamin does, so hopefully there's a fairly straight forward
way to tell if the charging system is working. Could I disconnect the
battery while it is running? The last time I spent any reasonable time with
my hands inside of bike innards was before fuel injection and all this
computerized LCD, ECM yadda yadda crazyness.
Note that I just had my 16k service and valve adjustment. I didn't let the
bike run for more than a handful of seconds tonight, but it definitely ran
normally for the time it was on. Now I'm just wondering if something in the
charging system died and I have just been running off the battery for
however long its been.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 1:13 am
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"Tim Lowe" <tim[dot]lowe[at]comcast[dot]net> wrote in message
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> So today I decide to go buy a new xbox game and take the
bike ('01 929RR).
> Ride to the mall, then to another shop and once I'm done
there the bike wont
> start and the clock is flashing 1:00. Hmm.. Lost power. I
take off the
> seat, check all of the fuses (all good) and try and turn it
over again. All
> I get is a clickity-click from the starter relay switch
(contains a 30A
> fuse). The starter relay switch is connected directly to
the battery and
> has an offshoot that goes to the secondary fuse box (for
lights, ignition
> etc - 10 and 20A fuses). I've never noticed the clicking
noise before, so
> my first guess was something is broken in the relay switch.
Just for kicks
> I try and bump start it. The bike runs for a few seconds
and then dies
> (peters out to a stop) even when giving it gas.
>
> Andrew to the rescue! Thankfully Andrew had just got up and
was fixing
> breakfast. I'm pretty sure thats what he said...note this
is at 3pm today,
> so it seems the marriage thing is still "new" eh? I
wouldn't know such a
> life anymore as my 10th anniversary is in June.
>
> Andrew loads the bike up and we get it home, whereby I
charge the battery.
> Just went into the garage and the battery is charged - bike
fires right up.
> So my question is this (I don't have a complete shop manual,
I've got
> portions from the web) - how can I tell if the charging
system is working on
> the bike? Although I am fairly competent in wrenching -
I've not got the
> experience that Jamin does, so hopefully there's a fairly
straight forward
> way to tell if the charging system is working. Could I
disconnect the
> battery while it is running? The last time I spent any
reasonable time with
> my hands inside of bike innards was before fuel injection
and all this
> computerized LCD, ECM yadda yadda crazyness.
>
> Note that I just had my 16k service and valve adjustment. I
didn't let the
> bike run for more than a handful of seconds tonight, but it
definitely ran
> normally for the time it was on. Now I'm just wondering if
something in the
> charging system died and I have just been running off the
battery for
> however long its been.
you could have turned the key off to 'accessories' or park or
whatever that leaves the lights on when you left and drained
the battery.
or it could not be charging...in your case I suspect the
former.
that clicking sound you heard was the starter solenoid getting
a trickle of juice but not enough to fully engage the starting
gears or enough power to turn the motor...so it just
chattered...happens when the battery is low of course.
Phil Scott
>
> --Tim
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 5:52 am
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> portions from the web) - how can I tell if the charging system is working
on
> the bike?
bike off, battery should be over 12v
bike running, battery should be over 13.5 or so
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 5:52 am
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"mike" <mikein562athotmail.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> bike off, battery should be over 12v
> bike running, battery should be over 13.5 or so
Perfect.. Thanks Mike I'll give that a try, just gotta run to work and grab
my Fluke meter.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:28 am
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on 5/30/04 8:51 PM, Tim Lowe wrote:
> how can I tell if the charging system is working on the bike?
My manual says to test the DC voltage across the battery terminals at cruise
RPM (5k), looking for a test reading of around 14V or slightly higher.
--
Jamin Kortegard
2002 YZF-R1 / 2003 WRX
"Hokey 600s and trackday usability are no match
for a good literbike at your side, kid."
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:44 am
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"Tim Lowe" <tim[dot]lowe[at]comcast[dot]net> wrote in message
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> So today I decide to go buy a new xbox game and take the bike ('01 929RR).
> Ride to the mall, then to another shop and once I'm done there the bike
wont
> start and the clock is flashing 1:00. Hmm.. Lost power. I take off the
> seat, check all of the fuses (all good) and try and turn it over again.
All
> I get is a clickity-click from the starter relay switch (contains a 30A
> fuse). The starter relay switch is connected directly to the battery and
> has an offshoot that goes to the secondary fuse box (for lights, ignition
> etc - 10 and 20A fuses). I've never noticed the clicking noise before, so
> my first guess was something is broken in the relay switch. Just for
kicks
> I try and bump start it. The bike runs for a few seconds and then dies
> (peters out to a stop) even when giving it gas.
>
> Andrew to the rescue! Thankfully Andrew had just got up and was fixing
> breakfast. I'm pretty sure thats what he said...note this is at 3pm
today,
> so it seems the marriage thing is still "new" eh? I wouldn't know such a
> life anymore as my 10th anniversary is in June.
Yes, you heard right, breakfast!
It's nice to be married and on my honeymoon till 6-14.
--
Andrew
00 Speed Triple
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 8:23 pm
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Ok. Got meself a Fluke meter and after charging the battery the results are:
No Load: 13v; Acc On: 12.5v; At Idle: 12.3v
After a short ride:
No Load: 12.5v; Acc On: 12.3v; Running: 12.1v
So its pretty obvious the battery isn't getting charged. Now here's the
next question.... I'm one of those kind of guys that buys warantee's, so the
bike is under a warantee till 9/14/05. The following electrical components
are covered (those not mentioned are not covered):
Alternator, starter, manually operated switches, coils, rectifiers, magneto,
voltage regulator, electronic ignition control module, electronic fuel
injection control module and sensors, wiring harness and cooling fan motor.
If the actual faulty part isn't in the list I have to pay. I also have to
pay for the diagnostic fee's in the event its not covered under the
warantee. Do you guys think there could be something causing the problem
that isn't in that list above? If not, I'll ride the thing to the local
stealer and get it fixed there. Otherwise it'd be cheaper to buy beer, meat
and garden burgers (Jamin you're veggie right? Bannon prob can't eat more
than a twig or he'll gain weight, so he'll be a cheap feed.) and invite the
locals to help me tear it down. Ah hell, maybe we should have a shindig
regardless since I've got nothing better to do this summer (I'm a teacher),
as long as you guys will drive a bit north of the border and visit me in
Everett.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:51 pm
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"Tim Lowe" <tim[dot]lowe[at]comcast[dot]net> wrote in message
news:O_CdncdyDvIlNifdRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> So today I decide to go buy a new xbox game and take the bike ('01 929RR).
> Ride to the mall, then to another shop and once I'm done there the bike
wont
> start and the clock is flashing 1:00. Hmm.. Lost power. I take off the
> seat, check all of the fuses (all good) and try and turn it over again.
All
> I get is a clickity-click from the starter relay switch (contains a 30A
> fuse). The starter relay switch is connected directly to the battery and
> has an offshoot that goes to the secondary fuse box (for lights, ignition
> etc - 10 and 20A fuses). I've never noticed the clicking noise before, so
> my first guess was something is broken in the relay switch. Just for
kicks
> I try and bump start it. The bike runs for a few seconds and then dies
> (peters out to a stop) even when giving it gas.
>
> Andrew to the rescue! Thankfully Andrew had just got up and was fixing
> breakfast. I'm pretty sure thats what he said...note this is at 3pm
today,
> so it seems the marriage thing is still "new" eh? I wouldn't know such a
> life anymore as my 10th anniversary is in June.
>
> Andrew loads the bike up and we get it home, whereby I charge the battery.
> Just went into the garage and the battery is charged - bike fires right
up.
> So my question is this (I don't have a complete shop manual, I've got
> portions from the web) - how can I tell if the charging system is working
on
> the bike? Although I am fairly competent in wrenching - I've not got the
> experience that Jamin does, so hopefully there's a fairly straight forward
> way to tell if the charging system is working. Could I disconnect the
> battery while it is running? The last time I spent any reasonable time
with
> my hands inside of bike innards was before fuel injection and all this
> computerized LCD, ECM yadda yadda crazyness.
>
> Note that I just had my 16k service and valve adjustment. I didn't let th
e
> bike run for more than a handful of seconds tonight, but it definitely ran
> normally for the time it was on. Now I'm just wondering if something in
the
> charging system died and I have just been running off the battery for
> however long its been.
>
> --Tim
>
Tim, its Easy, start the bike and then disconnect one of the cables from the
battery. If it still runs, its charging. Some motorcycles require a batter
to run, but not most. I'd say most likely the battery is bad. I would
replace it first unless its pretty new. Or, you could take the battery out
and take it to Autozone and have them test it. they usually will do it for
free. Good luck.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:01 am
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on 5/31/04 7:23 PM, Tim Lowe wrote:
> Ok. Got meself a Fluke meter and after charging the battery the results are:
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> No Load: 13v; Acc On: 12.5v; At Idle: 12.3v
>
What about at medium rpm (~5k)? As far as I know, most charging systems
don't generate decent voltage at idle.
> After a short ride:
>
> No Load: 12.5v; Acc On: 12.3v; Running: 12.1v
>
> So its pretty obvious the battery isn't getting charged. Now here's the
> next question.... I'm one of those kind of guys that buys warantee's, so the
> bike is under a warantee till 9/14/05. The following electrical components
> are covered (those not mentioned are not covered):
>
> Alternator, starter, manually operated switches, coils, rectifiers, magneto,
> voltage regulator, electronic ignition control module, electronic fuel
> injection control module and sensors, wiring harness and cooling fan motor.
>
> If the actual faulty part isn't in the list I have to pay. I also have to
> pay for the diagnostic fee's in the event its not covered under the
> warantee. Do you guys think there could be something causing the problem
> that isn't in that list above?
>
Battery's not on the list. How old is the battery? Would it be reasonably
easy to have it tested at a local Schuck's or similar place? Also have you
checked the fuses? There should be a reasonably large amperage main fuse
(mine's 30 Amps) between the VRR and the battery positive terminal. If this
fuse is blown, your battery won't charge.
> If not, I'll ride the thing to the local stealer and get it fixed there.
> Otherwise it'd be cheaper to buy beer, meat and garden burgers (Jamin you're
> veggie right? Bannon prob can't eat more than a twig or he'll gain weight, so
> he'll be a cheap feed.) and invite the locals to help me tear it down.
>
Definitely NOT veggie. I'm an omnivore, with heavy emphasis on the meat,
cheese, beer, peanut butter and ice cream food groups. Occasionally I dig
into a fat salad, but the last thing I'd eat would be vegetables
masquerading as meat (e.g. garden burger, tofu dog, etc).
> Ah hell, maybe we should have a shindig regardless since I've got nothing
> better to do this summer (I'm a teacher), as long as you guys will drive a bit
> north of the border and visit me in Everett.
>
Sure. I'm up that way somewhat frequently anyway, since my parents live in
Marysville.
If I were you, though, I'd probably just take it to the dealer for the
warranty service, provided you're reasonably sure the battery's not the
culprit. My manual says that a good test of battery health is to charge it
up, remove it from the charger, wait at least 30 minutes, then test the
voltage on the battery. Mine is supposed to be at least 12.8 Vdc, and when I
did this test on my own battery it tested at 13.1 Vdc. If yours is 13 Vdc,
my guess is it's something else in the system.
--
Jamin Kortegard
2002 YZF-R1 / 2003 WRX
"Hokey 600s and trackday usability are no match
for a good literbike at your side, kid."
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:01 am
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"Jamin Kortegard" <notme DeleteThis @notmymail.com> wrote in message
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> What about at medium rpm (~5k)? As far as I know, most charging systems
> don't generate decent voltage at idle.
It didn't increase at all.. I should have said "At Idle and 5k". Of course
now that you say your parents are in Marysville you have to come by and give
me a ride in the WRX.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:05 am
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"Tim Lowe" <tim[dot]lowe[at]comcast[dot]net> wrote in message
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> Ok. Got meself a Fluke meter and after charging the battery the results
are:
>
> No Load: 13v; Acc On: 12.5v; At Idle: 12.3v
>
> After a short ride:
>
> No Load: 12.5v; Acc On: 12.3v; Running: 12.1v
not good.
>
> So its pretty obvious the battery isn't getting charged. Now here's the
> next question.... I'm one of those kind of guys that buys warantee's, so
the
> bike is under a warantee till 9/14/05. The following electrical components
> are covered (those not mentioned are not covered):
>
> Alternator, starter, manually operated switches, coils, rectifiers,
magneto,
> voltage regulator, electronic ignition control module, electronic fuel
> injection control module and sensors, wiring harness and cooling fan
motor.
gotta be one of em. thing is finding a dealer thatll agree with ya
personally, if i paid extra for a warranty like yours, id use it. now is as
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:58 am
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>From: "Tim Lowe"
>Alternator, starter, manually operated switches, coils, rectifiers, magneto,
>voltage regulator, electronic ignition control module, electronic fuel
>injection control module and sensors, wiring harness and cooling fan motor.
>If the actual faulty part isn't in the list I have to pay. I also have to
>pay for the diagnostic fee's in the event its not covered under the
>warantee.
Sounds like you're well covered as long as the battery is good and no fuses are
blown.
>If not, I'll ride the thing to the local
>stealer and get it fixed there.
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