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Seamus

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:55 am
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I'm having some trouble with my bike overheating. I was wondering if
just pulling the thermostat is a totaly bad thing. I know it's
probably necessary if running in cold wether but I don't run unless
it's warm out. So you know I've checked the obvious such as spark
plug gap (gapped to what clymer spcified but that manual seems to give
inacurate info on occasion) and fan but have yet to check the temp
sensor and have not actually pulled the thermostat. One more thing
the temp guage seems to fluctuate what seems to be abnormally but
mostly gets really close to the redline at idle after running a
while. By the way thanks all of you for answering my previous posts.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:18 pm
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"Seamus" <mcdonal68 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote

> and fan but have yet to check the temp
> sensor and have not actually pulled the thermostat. One more thing
> the temp guage seems to fluctuate what seems to be abnormally but
> mostly gets really close to the redline at idle after running a
> while.

And at that point, is the fan running? If not, it's likely that the temp
sensor switch is bad.
You didn't mention it but I assume you have checked the coolant level ????
On some bikes, low coolant will not heat the switch properly and the fan
won't run when it should.

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Mark Olson

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:20 pm
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Seamus wrote:
> I'm having some trouble with my bike overheating. I was wondering if
> just pulling the thermostat is a totaly bad thing. I know it's
> probably necessary if running in cold wether but I don't run unless
> it's warm out. So you know I've checked the obvious such as spark
> plug gap (gapped to what clymer spcified but that manual seems to give
> inacurate info on occasion) and fan but have yet to check the temp
> sensor and have not actually pulled the thermostat. One more thing
> the temp guage seems to fluctuate what seems to be abnormally but
> mostly gets really close to the redline at idle after running a
> while. By the way thanks all of you for answering my previous posts.

Why would you think removing the thermostat is going to make your
bike stop overheating? If your thermostat is working it's already
fully open before the temperature gauge gets to the "Hot" zone.

Hint: bikes that are working normally, with a good thermostat
installed, do not normally overheat. Find what's wrong with your
engine and fix it. Believe it or not, running too cool can damage
your engine.

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Albrecht via MotorcycleKB

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 6:42 pm
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Seamus wrote:
>I'm having some trouble with my bike overheating. I was wondering if
>just pulling the thermostat is a totaly bad thing.

It looks to me like you wouldn't hurt anything by removing the thermostat for
testing in boiling water with a candy thermometer to see what temperature it
opens at. You could check out the temperature sensor at the same time.

Just be careful not to break anything taking it apart. I broke my thermostat
housing cover when I hit the phillips head screw with an impact driver.
Fortunately, I had another cover from a junk bike.

Your thermostat doesn't look like a bypass thermostat. My water buffalo
thermostats had a dual action, they would close off a bypass to a small
diameter heater hose when they opened the main thermostat valve.

I remember old time mechanics answering the question of whether you can run
without a thermostat with the reply that a water pump needed the restriction
of the thermostat in order to work.

Or, they would say that the water need to reside in the cylinder block for a
certain amount of time to pick up the heat. They claimed that the water
wouldn't pick up the heat if it was circulating too fast...

And, in the petroleum refining industry, operators will recommend starting a
centrifugal pump with the inlet valves open and outlet valves closed and then
gradually open the outlet valves.

Which side of the pump is the thermostat on, isn't it on the outlet side of
the pump?

And, is the water pump moving water? A centrifugal pump cannot pump anything
until the impeller is full of---liquid.

Some friends of mine built a water cooled two stroke triple for endurance
road racing. They managed to seize the engine and break a connecting rod
within a few hours of operation.

It turned out that the water pump impeller was full of some fibrous leak stop
compound sold by Suzuki to prevent leaks. The water pump wasn't pumping
anything, even though it was turning.

And then there is the problem of a plugged up radiator core. A radiator
cannot cool the water if water cannot pass from the header tank to the lower
tank, the water pump will just pressurize the header tank.

A friend was adding a gallon of water to his old Buick every day because it
was overheating, and I said, "Why don't we take the radiator down and get it
rodded out?" So we drove around until we found an old guy at a radiator shop
who unsoldered the header tanks and rodded out the vertical tubes and
soldered it all back together.

Too bad you can't get that done so easily with an aluminum motorcycle
radiator. But there must be somebody who specializes in such repairs.

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The Older Gentleman

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:07 pm
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Mark Olson <olsonm DeleteThis @tiny.invalid> wrote:

> Why would you think removing the thermostat is going to make your
> bike stop overheating?

Well, tapping the oil warning light is widely known to restore oil
pressure, isn't it?




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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:07 pm
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"Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com" <u33665@uwe> wrote:

> in the petroleum refining industry,

What?

What has this got to do with the OP?


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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 2:40 am
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The Older Gentleman <chateau.murray.takethisout.RemoveThis@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> Mark Olson <olsonm.RemoveThis@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Why would you think removing the thermostat is going to make your
>> bike stop overheating?
>
> Well, tapping the oil warning light is widely known to restore oil
> pressure, isn't it?

Ahh, yes, but did _removing_ the light ever restore oil pressure?
Cool

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Mike Freeman

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:40 am
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Mark Olson <olsonm.RemoveThis@tiny.invalid> wrote in news:135ea7h66qrua65
@corp.supernews.com:

> Why would you think removing the thermostat is going to make your
> bike stop overheating? If your thermostat is working it's already
> fully open before the temperature gauge gets to the "Hot" zone.

But is the thermostat working? You can try running the bike without the
thermostat, and if that solves the overheating, then you know you need a
new thermostat.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:40 am
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Mike Freeman wrote:
> Mark Olson <olsonm.DeleteThis@tiny.invalid> wrote in news:135ea7h66qrua65
> @corp.supernews.com:
>
>> Why would you think removing the thermostat is going to make your
>> bike stop overheating? If your thermostat is working it's already
>> fully open before the temperature gauge gets to the "Hot" zone.
>
> But is the thermostat working? You can try running the bike without the
> thermostat, and if that solves the overheating, then you know you need a
> new thermostat.

Sure, that makes sense. The OP wasn't planning on replacing the
thermostat though, which is what I was trying to address.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:39 pm
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"Mark Olson" <olsonm RemoveThis @tiny.net> wrote in message
news:135o1ff1j45cl54@corp.supernews.com...
> Mike Freeman wrote:
> > Mark Olson <olsonm RemoveThis @tiny.invalid> wrote in news:135ea7h66qrua65
> > @corp.supernews.com:
> >
> >> Why would you think removing the thermostat is going to make your
> >> bike stop overheating? If your thermostat is working it's already
> >> fully open before the temperature gauge gets to the "Hot" zone.
> >
> > But is the thermostat working? You can try running the bike without the
> > thermostat, and if that solves the overheating, then you know you need a
> > new thermostat.
>
> Sure, that makes sense. The OP wasn't planning on replacing the
> thermostat though, which is what I was trying to address.
>
> --

Once drove a car without a thermostat when I had to be somewhere. It didn't
register even normal temperature for a 100 miles then suddenly overheated. I
was watching the gauge and it just suddenly started moving like a fuel gauge
after a fill up. Wouldn't try that again but if it had to be done just
remove the center and leave the normal, when open, restriction. The
suggestion to check the thermostat with a thermometer in a pan would seem to
be best. "Normal Operating Temperature" is a good thing. Does the gauge even
register coolant or more importantly engine temperature correctly w/o a
thermostat? It is a cooling SYSTEM.

Was lucky and didn't have any damage but these things can bite you in the
ass, especially on a bike. YMMV
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