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Tom Bubb

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:53 pm
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I just purchased a 1987 Honda CMX250 Rebel for my Wife and it has an
incandesant style headlight bulb. I would like to update to an H-4 style
headlamp.

My question is:

Will the stock wiring be heavy enough to support the extra load of an H-4
style headlamp or will rewiring be necessary?

Thanks in advance,
Tom

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:53 pm
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On Sep 29, 6:53?pm, "Tom Bubb" <b... RemoveThis @acsworld.com> wrote:

> Will the stock wiring be heavy enough to support the extra load of an H-4
> style headlamp or will rewiring be necessary?

You should be OK if your headlight wiring is about 16 gauge. You can
google for the "ampacity" of stranded copper wire if you want to be
sure what the exact current rating of a particular AWG wire size is.

Your headlight is 35/36.5W.

It draws about 3 amps @ 12 volts and the 55/60 H4 halogen will draw
about 5 amps.

I replaced the 30/30watt halogens in my FZR with 55/60's and the only
other thing I did was increase the fuse size because my bike has twin
headlights that are on at the same time.

You should probably use at least a 10 amp fuse in your lighting
circuit if there is a separate headlight fuse.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:44 pm
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Thanks,

I'll check the wire size and check to see if the headlamp is fused
separately.

Tom
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:44 pm
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Tom Bubb wrote:

> Thanks,
>
> I'll check the wire size and check to see if the headlamp is fused
> separately.
>
> Tom

Fuses are sized to protect the wiring. Don't simply put in a bigger
fuse, you want the fuse to melt before the wires do.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:45 am
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Tom Bubb <bubb.DeleteThis@acsworld.com> wrote:
> I just purchased a 1987 Honda CMX250 Rebel for my Wife and it has an
> incandesant style headlight bulb. I would like to update to an H-4 style
> headlamp.

Just in case the H4 replacement turns into more trouble than
it's worth, an ordinary sealed beam with a halogen capsule
(your Sylvania) will draw the same power and throw vastly
more light than the OEM unit. If you're lucky, it'll be an
easy fit in the headlight bucket. They only cost about $6.

bob prohaska
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:17 am
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This sounds like the way to go if the sealed beam fits the bucket.

Thanks Bob,

Tom
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:27 am
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:38 am
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On Sep 29, 9:59?pm, Beryl <terra....RemoveThis@coolbits.net> wrote:

> Fuses are sized to protect the wiring. Don't simply put in a bigger
> fuse, you want the fuse to melt before the wires do.

I'm a demolitions expert. I always cut my fuzes long enough so I can
get far enough away from the effects of the blast. Wink

Of course electrical fuses are sized to protect the wiring, but every
person who modifies an electrical system cannot automatically be
assumed to be an idiot.

Electrical technicans and engineers employ a rule of thumb safety
factor.

The fuse must be capable of carrying 2 or 3 times the expected
electrical load.

If the OP wants to install a bulb that pulls 5 amps, he needs a 10 amp
or 15 amp fuse on that circuit.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:41 pm
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"Nameless 1" <RhiannonX.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 29, 9:59?pm, Beryl <terra....TakeThisOut@coolbits.net> wrote:
>
> > Fuses are sized to protect the wiring. Don't simply put in a bigger
> > fuse, you want the fuse to melt before the wires do.
>
> I'm a demolitions expert. I always cut my fuzes long enough so I can
> get far enough away from the effects of the blast. Wink
>
> Of course electrical fuses are sized to protect the wiring, but every
> person who modifies an electrical system cannot automatically be
> assumed to be an idiot.
>
> Electrical technicans and engineers employ a rule of thumb safety
> factor.
>
> The fuse must be capable of carrying 2 or 3 times the expected
> electrical load.
>
> If the OP wants to install a bulb that pulls 5 amps, he needs a 10 amp
> or 15 amp fuse on that circuit.
>

Haven't seen you at Possum Lodge lately.

Giving up the safety margin of the fuse and risking burning the whole
harness or bike isn't a good idea. Wire is also sized to keep resistance to
a minimum at the specified current. The more current carried the more the
wire looks like a resistor in the circuit. Limiting light output and
creating heat. The fuse also is in line with all the contacts including
switches that will have increased wear.

If your going to give advise like this at least acknowledge the extra risk.
Assuming you aren't truly clueless.
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