Economic Twilight Zone

>>> If you take the position that some are unworthy because they can not do
>>> what you did, well, lets just say that type of elitist thinking is a
>>> good start down the slippery slope.
>
>> Yeah, except no one has espoused the position that you specify in your
>> straw man.
>
> if:
> Definition 1. on the condition that; in the event that.
> Example: If I pay, will you go with me?
>
> Definition 2. granting or accepting that.
> Example: If the situation is that bad, what can we Do?

Wow...now I'm REALLY confused. Maybe we should ALL act silly and pretend
we're retarded this evening...sure seems like everyone ELSE is trying it
out....
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>> if:
>> Definition 1. on the condition that; in the event that.
>> Example: If I pay, will you go with me?
>>
>> Definition 2. granting or accepting that.
>> Example: If the situation is that bad, what can we Do?
>
> If someone some day, at some time, espouses that viewpoint in this
> forum, if I happen to see it, and if I feel like it, I will address
> my opinion of that viewpoint. Maybe. Perhaps. Possibly.
>

Hell, I'm still trying to figure out his answer. But yours is pretty good
Tim.
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:25:16 +0000, Dave wrote

> Perhaps because America has been touted as "the land of opportunity, where
> everyman can be a success no matter how humble his origins" for the last
> 200 years, the current crop of working-age low-income Americans believe
> that, for some reason, they are too good to do some jobs... maids, cooks,
> laborors and the like.

You obviously have never seen a migrant labor camp. We are surrounded by
them because of Florida's agricultural industry. I guarantee you when
you see the conditions they live in and what they have to pay for abject
squalor housing you won;t be waving that flag.

What is being done is not only wrong for US citizens it is immoral and
simply modern day indentured servitude.

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Indentured servants:

Only two indentured servants[1] are known to have worked at Monticello
while under the terms of their indentures (Thomas Walker and William
Rice). Two others worked for Thomas Jefferson after completion of their
contracted service (Antonio Giannini and Giovannini da Prato). In these
cases, the term indentured servant is used in accordance with its most
familiar definition: individuals from outside the colonies who contracted
to work forusuallyfour or five years in return for passage to America,
or who were convicts transported to America as punishment for crimes or
indebtedness.

An indenture is an agreement or contract between two parties. More
particularly, in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, it was a
contract by which an apprentice was bound to serve a master, who
undertook to teach him a trade, or by which someone bound himself to
service in return for money or passage to the colonies. Indentured
servitude in Virginia was a kind of temporary slavery. While still
serving their time, servants were under the total authority of their
masters and they could be bought and sold like slaves. They took up
their indentures when they became free.

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You see slaves are cheaper than modern farm machinery. BTW, my relatives
owned a few thousand acres of farmland.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:19:13 -0700, saddlebag wrote:

>> My generation aspired to be
>> dope-smoking porn stars ,

> Everyone needs a goal.

I won't reply to another of his posts.

Mines bigger than his. I worked my way through college for TWO
bachelors degrees, one of them Engineering and with my Dad ran a
successful mechanical Contracting business for years with NO borrowed
start up money.

But you know what? I know very damn few other people could have done
what I did. I'm gifted fortunately in scholastics and had the
organizational skills that very few people have.

If you take the position that some are unworthy because they can not do
what you did, well, lets just say that type of elitist thinking is a
good start down the slippery slope.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:06:55 -0700, tomorrow.TakeThisOut@erols.com wrote:

>> If you take the position that some are unworthy because they can not do
>> what you did, well, lets just say that type of elitist thinking is a
>> good start down the slippery slope.

> Yeah, except no one has espoused the position that you specify in your
> straw man.

if:
Definition 1. on the condition that; in the event that.
Example: If I pay, will you go with me?

Definition 2. granting or accepting that.
Example: If the situation is that bad, what can we Do?

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"John Smith" <assemblywizard.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> tomorrow.TakeThisOut@erols.com wrote:
>
> > ...
>> Effectively zero unemployment by historical measuring methods. And
>> illegal immigrants do lots of work that is spurned even by unemployed
>> citizens.
>>
>
> Yeah, and all the people without medical insurance are that way
> because they like it ...
>
> When I was in high school, I had a little job in a shell gas
> station--$1.65 p/hr--I think that was minimum wage back then, or
> around there. Now as I see it, the cost of EVERYTHING is about 10
> times what it was back then. You take that $1.65 p/hr * 10 = $16.50
> p/hr--that is about what minimum wage should be.
>
> Ain't too difficult to figure--people have been screwed!
>


You're forgetting that all the imports that people cry about are
cheaper and better then what we could get ten years ago. televisions
used to be a major purchase. I'd have to say, what with people below
"poverty level" owning cars and two televisions, on average, and food
prices at historic lows, there's some good news also.

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On Oct 11, 2:54 pm, "Dave" <dspear9... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yesteryear's nobility is today's corporations. You should read "The
> Corporation" by Joel Bakan. The main premise of the book is to illustrate
> using a myriad of examples that "The corporation's legally defined mandate
> is to pursue relentlessly and without exception its own economic
> self-interest, regardless of the harmful consequences it might cause to
> others".

Shhhhhhh. We CEOs would prefer that the truth not leak out like that.
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On Oct 11, 3:55 pm, "Dave" <dspear9....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Rednecks are proud hardworking people. White trash are not, and I don't see
> the rationale by which you keep attempting to lump them togehter.

Um, Dave? I don't see the rationale whereby you expect Krusty's
racist hate rants to be based on REASON.

Sheesh.
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> Red necks are the perfect example of true American independence and the
> pioneering spirit. They are the real Americans.
>

Nah....rednecks, while amusing, tend to be pretty stupid, which most
definitely ISN'T a real American.



> Those people that you call "red necks" and "crackers" who live in the
> hills
> of Appalachia or the despair of the San Joaquin valley are the descendants
> of
> the Border Scots who were forced out of their own country to make room
> for
> sheep.

Having grown up in Appalchia, I sure didn't notice much in the way of
bagpipes and skirts around, even during William Wallace day.
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>> This game of economic expansion for the sake of profits
>> cannot do anything except destroy the environment. California planners
>> are
>> already beginning to realize that they will have to make a choice between
>> agriculture and housing and educating the burgeoning illegal alien
>> population.
>
> Excellent story. Unfortunately some refuse to accept studies and
> conclusions that show clearly this very precarious state of class
> conflict. Like the proverbial ostrich their heads are in the sand.

Yeah, but they all ride Hardleys, and are therefore irrelevant.
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On Oct 11, 5:18 pm, Ron Gibson <rsgib....TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:31:45 +0000, Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com wrote:
> > The new capitalist elites want to pit Americans against Mexicans now.
> > And for what? This game of economic expansion for the sake of profits
> > cannot do anything except destroy the environment. California planners are
> > already beginning to realize that they will have to make a choice between
> > agriculture and housing and educating the burgeoning illegal alien
> > population.
>
> Excellent story. Unfortunately some refuse to accept studies and
> conclusions that show clearly this very precarious state of class
> conflict. Like the proverbial ostrich their heads are in the sand.
>
> The basis of this struggle is and always has been over land - The landed
> gentry verses the peasants. Land is the primary economic input that is
> the basis for generation of wealth. With 5% of the US population owning
> 95% of the wealth the problem is ongoing in the states just like it
> always has gone on across the world.
>
> I am not happy about this. Only a madman would be. I wish I was flat out
> 100% wrong. And unfortunately I have no solution nor have I heard of any
> short of a major upheaval of some kind.

Unfortunately, it is much worse than you think. Actually, less than
one percent of the U.S. population owns well in excess of 98% of the
wealth; it is just cleverly hidden via expesive accounting shams.

Worldwide, more than 99.995% of the wealth is concentrated in the
hands of less than 0.0003 percent of the population, and it is only
getting worse.

It will continue to get worse until the people recognize the class
struggle and rise up in revolution.
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On Oct 11, 8:36 pm, Ron Gibson <rsgib....RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:55:30 -0600, TroytheTroll wrote:
> > Yeah, but they all ride Hardleys, and are therefore irrelevant.
>
> I agree with this post

Silly peasants. When will you realize that owning a Harley is the
badge of those in the top 1%; those who own and control the world's
weath?
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Reassembler wrote:

> You're forgetting that all the imports that people cry about are
>cheaper and better then what we could get ten years ago. televisions
>used to be a major purchase. I'd have to say, what with people below
>"poverty level" owning cars and two televisions, on average, and food
>prices at historic lows, there's some good news also.

So. You've never visited an Asian sweatshop? I have.

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