Economic Twilight Zone

"saddlebag" <saddlebag.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> You people who are contemplating a bike had better get on with it,
> while our money is still accepted on the world market.
>
I've never really understood the "big picture" economics of the US Economy.
Since before passage of the Graham-Rudman Act (in, I belive 1973 or so)
which MANDATED that the Federal Government work to a balanced budget (and
which they have summarily ignored ever since), the US has spent more than it
takes in. Every year the gap gets bigger. In 1980 when Ronald Reagan took
office the US financed approximately 90% of it's debt domestically. By the
time he left eight years later we were borrowing 90% from the Germans and
Japanese. Now we'll take it from whomever will give it. Haven't the most
enlightened financial minds on the planet realized that, based on our track
record, the U.S. JUST AIN'T GONNA EVER EVER EVER pay back that principal? I
mean, come on, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it
would take hundreds of years to pay back trillions of dollars... and yet,
and yet, they keep lending money to us.

How long can this go on? Dare I ask?

Dave S.
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tomorrow RemoveThis @erols.com wrote:
> On Oct 9, 6:54 pm, "Dave" <dspear9... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "saddlebag" <saddle... RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> You people who are contemplating a bike had better get on with it,
>>> while our money is still accepted on the world market.
>
>> How long can this go on? Dare I ask?
>
> Who cares? As long as you can make your own loin cloth, and can kill,
> butcher, smoke and later eat your slower, fatter, more sedentary
> neighbor(s) in the coming hard times (say, 18 months from now), you'll
> be fine.
>
> Trust me.
>


Don't think us fat bastards aren't ready!

While you expend energy running around looking for us, we will be the
ambush artists. Even fat bastards have trigger fingers.....
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>> Wanna bet a $7/hour job isn't paid $10/hour today?
>
> No you dope. You and Timsey both have the same problem. You think
> you're personal situation applies to the entire country. To answer
> your first question yes. A grocery store cashier was making ~ $7/hr
> in 1981. I made ~$4/hr bagging groceries and sorting bottles that
> year. Wanna stop by Piggly Wiggly and see what the checkout girls are
> making today?

So your only examples are from the low end of the spectrum? goes to show you
the value of not being a union protected nose picker, I'd say.


>
> Guess what knucklehead, they still have to live somewhere.
>
> P.S. There are a lot more cashier jobs today than there was in 1981
> and a lot fewer machinist careers.

America still rewards exceptional effort and ability....good thing this
country wasn't designed by, built by and kept running by cashiers.
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> > ...
>> Don't like capitalism, try socialism or communism. Just don't expect most
>> Americans to agree with you that such systems are any good.
>
> Huh?
>
> In a village, all the men go hunting, all the women take care of the
> chores--everyone gets together to build a new couple a new home, etc.
>
> It ain't socialism, anymore than public water/sewer is communism. It is
> the people taking care of what the people need.

It worked pretty good for the Indians, if I recall my history correctly.
Doesn't work as well in a capitalist system of course, but then such a
system doesn't reward the mediocre or whiners, unless they are protected by
a union of course.


>
> Housing, medical, clothing, food, transportation (maybe one or two more I
> am missing) should be tax free and free from capitalistic manipulations
> (or, free from the rich ruling the peasants by manufacturing shortages and
> controlling supply and demand.)

Manufactured shortages and such don't happen much...you got a particular
example in mind? And I don't think anything can be tax free, because those
who wish to run the country off the backs of the exceptional and hard
working indivuals can't JUST milk them to try and built their utopian and
socialist dream country.

Although the Dems try for all they are worth.


> The rest of the world is up for grabs. My people before me, right up till
> me myself, have all worked to free man from his lot of strife suffering
> and control and to create explorers, writers, poets, artists, etc.
>

They pay taxes too. Good. The more the better.


> We damn well didn't work so a relatively few can control all the natural
> resources and live in splendor while managing a peasant class!
>

So, you don't appear to live in America, because such nonsense sure doesn't
happen much around here. What country do you live in?



> The truth is, some people are only happy if they are able to subject
> others to their control.

Yeah, I think those are dictatorships. Do you live under that system?


> Indeed, their very feeling of worth comes from being able to suffer
> others with their wishes ... we need so something with those poor mental
> defectives.
>

Well, if I spot any in America that aren't in a union, I'll certainly
suggest they move to whichever country you live in.
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> Your 1987 TV was one of the last of the good ones, by my estimation.
> When you look at amps, dvd players, and other consumer electronics,
> three-five years is a general life expectency.

The only electronics I've had break since my kids were born were VCR's which
they jammed food and stuff into. Still using my wife's high school
stereo..but thats older. Dunno....I've still got, and it works, the FIRST
computer i ever purchased for the family ( 1998 ). And every one since then
still functions as well. I guess I just don't have the requiste experience
with electronics which break.



> Thus, our lifestyle and consumption is not sustainable because "market
> driven forces" are driving us to do very wasteful things to be
> competetive.
>

Well, if DVD's can be assembled from a few droplets of metal and cardboard,
sounds like a good way to create a cheap and disposable product to
me....without even getting into whether its sustainable...the idea thats its
so cheap as to be disposable strikes me as better than committing huge
resources to make things "better built".


> Why not build a dvd player with replaceable parts? Eli Whitney nailed
> the concept of interchangeable parts in the 18th century, but we are
> back to using disposible equipment while are resources are running
> thin.
>

Because they are harder, and more expensive to mass produce?
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> As Bin Laden was so keenly aware...the chickenhawks would overreact
> and he could win without ever lifting another finger.

Oh...is that what hiding in a hole in the woods with your dialasis machine
is? Winning?

Another saddle classic...first all americans drop to their knee's when
confronted, now saddles verison of "winning".
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On Oct 9, 9:52 pm, "TroytheTroll" <f4_....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Wanna bet a $7/hour job isn't paid $10/hour today?
>
> > No you dope. You and Timsey both have the same problem. You think
> > you're personal situation applies to the entire country. To answer
> > your first question yes. A grocery store cashier was making ~ $7/hr
> > in 1981. I made ~$4/hr bagging groceries and sorting bottles that
> > year. Wanna stop by Piggly Wiggly and see what the checkout girls are
> > making today?
>
> So your only examples are from the low end of the spectrum? goes to show you
> the value of not being a union protected nose picker, I'd say.
>
> > Guess what knucklehead, they still have to live somewhere.
>
> > P.S. There are a lot more cashier jobs today than there was in 1981
> > and a lot fewer machinist careers.
>
> America still rewards exceptional effort and ability....good thing this
> country wasn't designed by, built by and kept running by cashiers.

Nor gubament mooches, but we got another 57k of them to support now.
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And the Canadian dollar is worth 2 cents more than the US

"saddlebag" <saddlebag DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> The stock market soars to new highs on the basis of a "great" jobs
> report. What apparently goes unnoticed is the details of the report:
>
> 1. The manufacturing sector lost 18,000 jobs in the latest report.
>
> 2. Construction also saw a 14,000 reduction in jobs.
>
> 3. The sector of financial services that includes mortgage lenders cut
> 12,000 jobs.
>
> 4. Most of the big upward revision in the August payroll reading was
> due to a different estimate of government hiring, which is now
> estimated to have added 57,000 jobs in the month.
>
> So this is just great. We now have an additional 57k gov't workers to
> provide for with an additional 50k of new poodle groomers and massage
> therapists jobs. Surely those new positions will turn our enormous
> trade deficit around. Why I'll bet the Chinese can't make ocean
> liners fast enough to hold all of their people who are lined up to
> come to America for their happy ending.
>
> You people who are contemplating a bike had better get on with it,
> while our money is still accepted on the world market.
>
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>> > P.S. There are a lot more cashier jobs today than there was in 1981
>> > and a lot fewer machinist careers.
>>
>> America still rewards exceptional effort and ability....good thing this
>> country wasn't designed by, built by and kept running by cashiers.
>
> Nor gubament mooches, but we got another 57k of them to support now.

Someone has to make sure short, hairy guys supported by their sugar momma's
don't carry illegal drugs into schools or guns onto airplanes.
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On Oct 10, 2:25 pm, "TroytheTroll" <f4_... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > P.S. There are a lot more cashier jobs today than there was in 1981
> >> > and a lot fewer machinist careers.
>
> >> America still rewards exceptional effort and ability....good thing this
> >> country wasn't designed by, built by and kept running by cashiers.
>
> > Nor gubament mooches, but we got another 57k of them to support now.
>
> Someone has to make sure short, hairy guys supported by their sugar momma's
> don't carry illegal drugs into schools or guns onto airplanes.

Party pooper.
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On Oct 10, 4:25 pm, "Dave" <dspear9....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "BrianNZ" <br....DeleteThis@itnz.co.nz> wrote in message
>
> news:feemno$375$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...> Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com wrote:
>
> or own property along the ocean.
>
> > So why do you allow Mexicans to work in America? Don't you have any
> > unemployed to do the jobs they do?
>
> Perhaps because America has been touted as "the land of opportunity, where
> everyman can be a success no matter how humble his origins" for the last 200
> years, the current crop of working-age low-income Americans believe that,
> for some reason, they are too good to do some jobs... maids, cooks, laborors
> and the like. Many have learned to work the welfare system such that it's
> more beneficial financially for them not to work as opposed to taking a
> menial labor job. They have no work ethic. They think that because America
> has such wealth, that they are ENTITLED to a decent lifestyle for little or
> no effort. They feel that working at a menial job is BENEATH them, no
> matter that they smoke generic cigarettes and live in a rathole of a trailer
> park.
>
> I worked with my brother-in-law in San Francisco awhile back. He's a
> contractor who specializes in renovations, mainly in well-to-do Marin
> County. He hires Mexicans becuase there are no white people who are willing
> to dig, carry, landscape, and generally labor. And those Mexicans know how
> to WORK. They show up... every day. They are not late. They are not lazy.
> They do not complain. They do not steal. They are the type of people who
> MADE America great originally. I find it disgusting to hear politicians and
> whiners complain about Mexicans taking their jobs... are you raising your
> kids to be landscapers? Maids? Construction laborors? Obviously not...
> your kids are too GOOD for that kind of work! They're all going to become
> professional friggin' video gamers, right, that's what they're training for?
> Someone MUST do this work to keep the economy rolling and as long as the
> Mexicans are willing to work harder than U.S. citizens then that's who is
> going to get hired.

(Snippolla)

Excellent post, Dave. I'll echo your comments about the decline in
appreciation for manual labor. My middle son is a ASE certified Ford
technician, and makes his living with his hands. Most of the people
in my family are white collar workers. You would not believe some of
the snide, derogatory comments I got from cousins, etc, when they
learned that Justin was taking a 2-year community college co-op
program to get an Associate's Degree and his ASE certs. And these
from more than one cousin/Aunt/Uncle who had grown kids sitting at
home, unemployed, mooching off them! I couldn't be prouder of a
young man who is out in the work force, supporting himself, paying his
taxes, and getting on with his life. If someone is willing to work
hard and support themselves, whatever work they find is fine and fully
honorable as far as I'm concerned.
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On Oct 10, 6:56 pm, "Dave" <dspear9... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> My generation aspired to be
> dope-smoking porn stars ,

Everyone needs a goal.
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tomorrow.TakeThisOut@erols.com wrote:
> On Oct 10, 4:25 pm, "Dave" <dspear9....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "BrianNZ" <br....TakeThisOut@itnz.co.nz> wrote in message
>>
>> news:feemno$375$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...> Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com wrote:
>>
>> or own property along the ocean.
>>
>>> So why do you allow Mexicans to work in America? Don't you have any
>>> unemployed to do the jobs they do?
>> Perhaps because America has been touted as "the land of opportunity, where
>> everyman can be a success no matter how humble his origins" for the last 200
>> years, the current crop of working-age low-income Americans believe that,
>> for some reason, they are too good to do some jobs... maids, cooks, laborors
>> and the like. Many have learned to work the welfare system such that it's
>> more beneficial financially for them not to work as opposed to taking a
>> menial labor job. They have no work ethic. They think that because America
>> has such wealth, that they are ENTITLED to a decent lifestyle for little or
>> no effort. They feel that working at a menial job is BENEATH them, no
>> matter that they smoke generic cigarettes and live in a rathole of a trailer
>> park.
>>
>> I worked with my brother-in-law in San Francisco awhile back. He's a
>> contractor who specializes in renovations, mainly in well-to-do Marin
>> County. He hires Mexicans becuase there are no white people who are willing
>> to dig, carry, landscape, and generally labor. And those Mexicans know how
>> to WORK. They show up... every day. They are not late. They are not lazy.
>> They do not complain. They do not steal. They are the type of people who
>> MADE America great originally. I find it disgusting to hear politicians and
>> whiners complain about Mexicans taking their jobs... are you raising your
>> kids to be landscapers? Maids? Construction laborors? Obviously not...
>> your kids are too GOOD for that kind of work! They're all going to become
>> professional friggin' video gamers, right, that's what they're training for?
>> Someone MUST do this work to keep the economy rolling and as long as the
>> Mexicans are willing to work harder than U.S. citizens then that's who is
>> going to get hired.
>
> (Snippolla)
>
> Excellent post, Dave. I'll echo your comments about the decline in
> appreciation for manual labor. My middle son is a ASE certified Ford
> technician, and makes his living with his hands. Most of the people
> in my family are white collar workers. You would not believe some of
> the snide, derogatory comments I got from cousins, etc, when they
> learned that Justin was taking a 2-year community college co-op
> program to get an Associate's Degree and his ASE certs. And these
> from more than one cousin/Aunt/Uncle who had grown kids sitting at
> home, unemployed, mooching off them! I couldn't be prouder of a
> young man who is out in the work force, supporting himself, paying his
> taxes, and getting on with his life. If someone is willing to work
> hard and support themselves, whatever work they find is fine and fully
> honorable as far as I'm concerned.
>


Tim & Dave......you'd both get my vote!

I totally agree with both of you. One of my first jobs was helping my
mother do commercial cleaning after-hours. There is no incentive to get
a better job than cleaning other peoples toilets! Not enough people are
prepared to start at bottom (pun intended).
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