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(Msg. 31) Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:06 pm
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:06 pm
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"guig" wrote in message
>... And Stoner now has more GP wins in his short career than Hayden has.
Not to take credit away gfrom Stoner, who I think is a fantastic rider who
has shown how much maturity one can win through a rough year. *But* he has
the Ducati-Bridgestone thing going for him thus far this year.
It may be an ufair call, it's simply based on his track record and the fact
he was never this dominant before. If he wins 2 MotoGP world titles, we'll
all remove our doubts in hindsight and go, oh hech, he realy was *that*
good. It's the way it goes.
And don't write off Hayden. I think he remains one of the most methodical
and consistent riders in MotoGP. I don't believe he had a bike advantage
against the rest of the field (as thus far I suspect Stoner does) and yet
through consistency, grit and smart he won the title. The field is so
competitive now and going forward that I'd be willling to offer 3:1 odds
that Hayden will win another title within the next 4 years.
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:58 am
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pablo Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:11:45
>"guig" wrote in message
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>>... And Stoner now has more GP wins in his short career than Hayden has.
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>Not to take credit away gfrom Stoner, who I think is a fantastic rider who
>has shown how much maturity one can win through a rough year. *But* he has
>the Ducati-Bridgestone thing going for him thus far this year.
Yes. He's still got to ride it though.
>And don't write off Hayden. I think he remains one of the most methodical
>and consistent riders in MotoGP. I don't believe he had a bike advantage
>against the rest of the field (as thus far I suspect Stoner does) and yet
>through consistency, grit and smart he won the title. The field is so
>competitive now and going forward that I'd be willling to offer 3:1 odds
>that Hayden will win another title within the next 4 years.
I don't think I can wait that long. Guess I need an email from the
future to remind me.
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:57 pm
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:11:45 -0700, "pablo"
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>And don't write off Hayden. I think he remains one of the most methodical
>and consistent riders in MotoGP. I don't believe he had a bike advantage
>against the rest of the field (as thus far I suspect Stoner does) and yet
>through consistency, grit and smart he won the title. The field is so
>competitive now and going forward that I'd be willling to offer 3:1 odds
>that Hayden will win another title within the next 4 years.
A MotoGP title? I'll take that bet. But, I'd be very surprised if
Hayden gets four years to try in.
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:57 pm
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"Champ" wrote in message
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:11:45 -0700, "pablo"
> wrote:
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>>And don't write off Hayden. I think he remains one of the most methodical
>>and consistent riders in MotoGP. I don't believe he had a bike advantage
>>against the rest of the field (as thus far I suspect Stoner does) and yet
>>through consistency, grit and smart he won the title. The field is so
>>competitive now and going forward that I'd be willling to offer 3:1 odds
>>that Hayden will win another title within the next 4 years.
>
> A MotoGP title? I'll take that bet. But, I'd be very surprised if
> Hayden gets four years to try in.
Hmm, really? Please, by all means, clarify. By the way, I don't take Euro's,
pound sterliing's and dollars only and I'd be more than happy to grab some
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:03 pm
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:18:44 -0400, "T3" wrote:
>>>And don't write off Hayden. I think he remains one of the most methodical
>>>and consistent riders in MotoGP. I don't believe he had a bike advantage
>>>against the rest of the field (as thus far I suspect Stoner does) and yet
>>>through consistency, grit and smart he won the title. The field is so
>>>competitive now and going forward that I'd be willling to offer 3:1 odds
>>>that Hayden will win another title within the next 4 years.
>>
>> A MotoGP title? I'll take that bet. But, I'd be very surprised if
>> Hayden gets four years to try in.
>
>
>Hmm, really? Please, by all means, clarify.
Well, let's make sure that we've got the 3:1 the right way round
first. And, also, let's make sure we specify it's a MotoGP title.
>By the way, I don't take Euro's,
ah, the famous 'grocer's apostrophe' 
>pound sterliing's and dollars only and I'd be more than happy to grab some
>of yours...
Happy to put 50 dollars of mine against 150 of yours on that bet.
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:03 pm
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"Champ" wrote in message
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:18:44 -0400, "T3" wrote:
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>>>>And don't write off Hayden. I think he remains one of the most
>>>>methodical
>>>>and consistent riders in MotoGP. I don't believe he had a bike advantage
>>>>against the rest of the field (as thus far I suspect Stoner does) and
>>>>yet
>>>>through consistency, grit and smart he won the title. The field is so
>>>>competitive now and going forward that I'd be willling to offer 3:1 odds
>>>>that Hayden will win another title within the next 4 years.
>>>
>>> A MotoGP title? I'll take that bet. But, I'd be very surprised if
>>> Hayden gets four years to try in.
>>
>>
>>Hmm, really? Please, by all means, clarify.
>
> Well, let's make sure that we've got the 3:1 the right way round
> first. And, also, let's make sure we specify it's a MotoGP title.
Ok, I'm still interested..
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>>By the way, I don't take Euro's,
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> ah, the famous 'grocer's apostrophe'
Damn right, my local bar will take a pound, but they don't know from
Euro's..
>
>>pound sterliing's and dollars only and I'd be more than happy to grab some
>>of yours...
>
> Happy to put 50 dollars of mine against 150 of yours on that bet.
Damn, a deal killer! Oh well... >> Stay informed about: Ducati and Hayden? |
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:40 pm
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"guig" wrote in message
> On 2007-06-14 21:41:16 +0100, DaveW said:
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>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:47:56 +0100, guig wrote:
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>>>> Just who is wearing the # 1 plate?
>>>> Sure the hell ain't Pedrosa
>>>
>>> Sure as hell shouldn't be Hayden.
>>
>> The reigning champion earns the right to wear the #1 plate. It's a
>> long-standing tradition, and the bitterness of some ignorant fans has
>> no bearing on it.
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>> You have to try to let this go, and try to take some solace in the
>> knowledge that he won't be repeating.
>
> Has anyone ever denied that Hayden is the champion? But IMHO someone who
> was only capable of winning 2 GPs and one of them a very fortunate win
> isn't deserving of the Championship.
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:17 pm
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"Champ" wrote in message
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:11:45 -0700, "pablo"
> wrote:
> >... offer 3:1 odds
>>that Hayden will win another title within the next 4 years.
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> A MotoGP title? I'll take that bet. But, I'd be very surprised if
> Hayden gets four years to try in.
I am pretty sure he will. Unless he freely chooses to throw in the towel,
which he does not inclined to do.
Bet's on I guess. I am convinced to the core Hayden has the fundamental
qualities: methodical and measured approach, smart, and yet the ability to
really be aggressive when circumstances demand it and something is truly at
stake.
He'll have a much better streak on a bike that suits him better. He was not
on the podium almost every time last year by chance. He is an outstanding
rider. The tragedy is that he is in an outstanding team that got a
dysfcuntionally developed and arrogantly enginnered bike this year. It
sucks, but I am certain insiders know his qualities, and that's why the
likes of Ducati entertain him for dinner and present him with a one off bike
he'll be able to auction off in 5 years for a million to some rich dumbass.
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