Confronting a squid

bsr3997 RemoveThis @my-deja.com <bsr3997 RemoveThis @my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> of the center line without skipping any. Or you can off and back on
> the highway just to have some fun on the ramps. Of course that only
> gets one side scuffed up, so you would have to play around in a
> parking lot to scuff the other side. See, there are all kinds of ways

We are getting more and more of those roundabout things here in the US - they
do a good job for the left side....

- Kurt
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On Oct 13, 4:23 pm, ~kurt <actinouran... RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ron Gibson <rsgib... RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > You know I've been thinking about what is the most depressing part of
> > someone pulling out in front of you. My vote is when you are flying
> > through the air thinking about how much all this is about to hurt.
>
> I actually found I more of have just a morbid sense of curiosity about
> what the outcome will be. The depressing part is usually afterwards,
> after the adrenaline rush is gone.
>
> - Kurt


Hmmm.

Gawds I love wave rotors, four pot calipers, michelin sticky rubber,
and properly sprung inverted forks on a four hundred pound bike.

Coming around a long clean curve today (away from fields!) a driver
pulled out from one of the few and most blind driveways.

I was going fast.

But the bike came right down, cut my speed in more than half in
moments - feathering the brake at the end as the driver pulled away,
successfully signaling for the followers (since I was leading) who
were a good stretch back, to slow down in time.

Good traction and amazing brakes are blessed. So is good luck ( if I
had been two-four seconds earlier, the only test worth noting would be
agility, and reflexes.)


Anyway... here's to respecting the art.
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On Oct 14, 9:25 am, "Battleax" <unavaila....TakeThisOut@thistime.net> wrote:
> <tomor....TakeThisOut@erols.com> wrote in message
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> > On Oct 13, 9:36 am, "TroytheTroll" <f4_....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Battle is the guy who thought I was nuts trading a 929 on sn sv650, can't
> >> possibly be happy with such a terrible swap like that, him knowing all
> >> things about my particular hankerings for motorcycles. I still remember
> >> him
> >> whining about how crazy it was back when I did it.
>
> >> Now, nearly 20K and 4+ years later, the sv650 still rules.
>
> > I'll never understand how some people get to the point where they
> > think that they know the best motorcycle for other people. And yet,
> > it happens ALL the time!
>
> Well this whole thread is about someone bullying another over the type of
> bike they chose. Bob and Troy being the worst offenders in this field. Troy
> is remembering a disagreement from several years ago, but he and many others
> do it on a regular basis to this day.

I didn't get that from this thread. It's true that in the past, Bob
Nixon has been one of the worst of offenders of the "I know what is
best for you" concept, but if you have followed the group at all,
you'd know that he has softened that stance considerably, and he has
spoken candidly about some of the issues that he had that - at least
partially - accounted for that sort of approach in the past. I'm
willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Troy, like me, knows EXACTLY what *he* wants and expects from *his*
motorcycles, and we've certainly traded more than our share of barbs
on various issues here in AMS, but I'll be damned if I can EVER
remember a single case of him trying to tell another motorcyclist what
they SHOULD be riding, unless they asked.

In this thread, Bob may very well have come on too strong when he was
chatting with his neighbor, and that certainly may have turned the guy
off - it sure seemed to be the case based on Bob's own description of
the encounter - but it also seemed clear to me that Bob at least
started out with good intentions - to try to give the guy some
information that might very well save his life.

When I was that guy's age, with one baby at home, the Falls Church
City Chief of Police pulled me over on my Honda CB750F SuperSport one
day and basically offered me the same advice. He didn't ticket me
that day because he said to do so would be a waste of his time, since
I would certainly be dead within six months if I kept riding the way I
was when he observed me that day.

Slowed me down but good. Sure wish Bob's chat with his neighbor
would have the same effect, but I don't get the sense that it will!

Tim
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On Oct 13, 5:24 pm, "bsr3...@my-deja.com" <bsr3... RemoveThis @my-deja.com> wrote:

> Another friend that returned to racing after losing his lower leg in a
> street accident wore half of his wooden foot off his first weekend
> back. He declared that hence forth that would be his racing foot.

Now *that* is a classic!!! Thanks for sharing that, Bruce!
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<tomorrow.RemoveThis@erols.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 13, 9:36 am, "TroytheTroll" <f4_....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Battle is the guy who thought I was nuts trading a 929 on sn sv650, can't
>> possibly be happy with such a terrible swap like that, him knowing all
>> things about my particular hankerings for motorcycles. I still remember
>> him
>> whining about how crazy it was back when I did it.
>>
>> Now, nearly 20K and 4+ years later, the sv650 still rules.
>
> I'll never understand how some people get to the point where they
> think that they know the best motorcycle for other people. And yet,
> it happens ALL the time!
>

Well this whole thread is about someone bullying another over the type of
bike they chose. Bob and Troy being the worst offenders in this field. Troy
is remembering a disagreement from several years ago, but he and many others
do it on a regular basis to this day.
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> Well this whole thread is about someone bullying another over the type of
> bike they chose.

I don't recall Bob bullying anyone. So now...any conversation which isn't a
bunch of like minded individuals slapping each other on the back over their
co-choice in squidliness is somehow "bullying"?


>Bob and Troy being the worst offenders in this field.

And both of us know good sporting middleweight twins when we see them as
well. Versus people who think you can't be right in the head if you
trade/sell down from literbike sporting hardware.


> Troy is remembering a disagreement from several years ago, but he and many
> others do it on a regular basis to this day.

It wasn't a disagreement....it was a riot...and shows exactly how limited
someone's ( not mine ) perspective on motorcycles was. Maybe still is.
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> Troy, like me, knows EXACTLY what *he* wants and expects from *his*
> motorcycles, and we've certainly traded more than our share of barbs
> on various issues here in AMS, but I'll be damned if I can EVER
> remember a single case of him trying to tell another motorcyclist what
> they SHOULD be riding, unless they asked.

Self awareness is next to godliness, eh Tim?
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> You had your nickname painted, taped, or etched anywhere on your
> helmet,
> leathers, or bike.

I have my real name painted on my Trackbike.
I also have Ben Spies' and Jake Holden's autographs on my tank.

http://groups.msn.com/mctrippics/oneofakind.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=732

Am I a squid?


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Bob Nixon wrote:
> On Oct 12, 12:33 pm, Vaughn <vbra....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 11, 7:36 pm, BrianNZ <br....TakeThisOut@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>> Only in America would anyone consider a slap around the ears for being a
>>> smartarse 'assault & battery'? By pointing out his chicken strips what
>>> were you hoping to achieve other than run down his riding abilities in
>>> front of his wife and child?
>> Yeah, most people are a bit extra touchy about their personal space in
>> this country.
>>
>> But even if the cops did come to investigate promplty, without any
>> noticeable injury to the person, a slap on the ears would probably end
>> up getting charged as "disorderly conduct," at the worst, which is
>> usually a local city/county ordinance violation rather than a state
>> misdemeanor. Thus it does not look as bad on one's record, but will
>> still set you back $200-300, plus court costs if you fight it.
>>
>> But I, too, always think there be a lot less wars and murder in this
>> world if there were more bloody noses.
>>
>> And when confronting a bully in this county (if you know what you are
>> doing...) it is always good to first ask them, "do you want to
>> fight?" and if they say, "yes." Then you can proceed to goad them
>> into an attack and defend yourself nicely while being within the
>> letter of the self-defense laws - assuming you don't use excessive
>> force.
>
> Really on the bloody nose thing. Have you ever been in a war zone or
> seen the results of phyical violence at the animal level?


You don't need to go to a war zone to find violence at the animal level.
It's on the streets.....


> Me thinks
> neither you or our NZ friend have ever served for their prospective
> counties (military out of their countries)


I've never been in the military, but I still carry the scars of sparring
with mates who were (including baby bro.)

I've seen gunshot wounds (one a grazed arm, the other a hole through his
foot!) and heard the zip twhack of bullets in the air hitting behind me.



> & have led fairly sheltered
> lives.


LOL.....if only.


> Talk is tough.


I usually find actions speak louder than words.


> I a 62 year old 160lb semi-cripple confronted

You stopped for a chat, don't make it sound like you stepped him outside
for a fight.......oh, thats right, talk is tough.


> this obvious 200+lb body builder and didn't back down, rather he did.



To get away from the crazy old guy who cornered him by pretending to be
interested in his bike, then went into preacher mode to tell him how it
should be done.



> If that makes me a bully then so be it;)
>
> Bob Nixon.
>


No bully, just a verbal pain in the ass?
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As a teacher, I agree with some of the earlier comments. People
resent being lectured to, especially about things that cannot now be
changed. The guy has already bought the bike. Telling him it's the
wrong one is certainly not likely to be well received.

When I am at school, dealing with students, I feel free to teach.
That is what I was hired to do, and what they are there for. But off
the school grounds, I have no more authority than any other stranger,
so I don't try to instruct.

The best instruction is a good example. Wearing the proper gear when
riding, even in hot weather, sends a message far more effectively than
any lecture, especially when your conversation reveals that you are a
long-time rider. Simply showing an artificial leg while you ride in
full leathers will say more about safety gear than any lecture you can
give.

When I SCUBA, I have noticed that it is always the most experienced
divers who are the most scrupulous about safety checks. When I ride,
I have noticed that it is the lifelong daily riders, who ride bikes in
all weathers and conditions, who seem to be the most scrupulous about
wearing proper gear. When an experienced biker says, "Yes, I'd love
to ride with you to X. Just wait while I get my gear," the new biker
gets a clear message: safety gear is important.

Jim Wayne
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On 10/12/07 12:33 PM, "Vaughn" wrote:

> And when confronting a bully in this county (if you know what you are
> doing...) it is always good to first ask them, "do you want to
> fight?" and if they say, "yes." Then you can proceed to goad them
> into an attack and defend yourself nicely while being within the
> letter of the self-defense laws - assuming you don't use excessive
> force.

I'll do you one better:

First, don't start fights.

If someone tries to start one with you, say in an honestly surprised voice,
"You're not going to hurt me, are you??"

If the answer is in the affirmative, you're immediately in a self-defense
situation. No need to wait for him to physically attack you first. The
believable threat of violence is itself the start of the attack.

Personally, I don't like violence. However, sometimes (not often) it's
necessary, and at those times, nothing else will do the job.

--
Jamin
"Freedom costs a buck-oh-five"




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On Oct 17, 11:19 am, jhwa....DeleteThis@bigfoot.com wrote:
> As a teacher, I agree with some of the earlier comments. People
> resent being lectured to, especially about things that cannot now be
> changed. The guy has already bought the bike. Telling him it's the
> wrong one is certainly not likely to be well received.
>
> When I am at school, dealing with students, I feel free to teach.
> That is what I was hired to do, and what they are there for. But off
> the school grounds, I have no more authority than any other stranger,
> so I don't try to instruct.
>
> The best instruction is a good example. Wearing the proper gear when
> riding, even in hot weather, sends a message far more effectively than
> any lecture, especially when your conversation reveals that you are a
> long-time rider. Simply showing an artificial leg while you ride in
> full leathers will say more about safety gear than any lecture you can
> give.
>
> When I SCUBA, I have noticed that it is always the most experienced
> divers who are the most scrupulous about safety checks. When I ride,
> I have noticed that it is the lifelong daily riders, who ride bikes in
> all weathers and conditions, who seem to be the most scrupulous about
> wearing proper gear. When an experienced biker says, "Yes, I'd love
> to ride with you to X. Just wait while I get my gear," the new biker
> gets a clear message: safety gear is important.
>
> Jim Wayne

Brilliant.

Humans (outside of formal learning enviornments) do learn best by
example, and modelling.
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