Boots that aren't hot in the summer

On Sep 29, 1:59 pm, "TroytheTroll" <f4_....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> You haven't heard? I was passing, and the guy was fading left while looking
> right. Unfortunately, I was on his left, about 3/4's of a bike length ahead.
> He hit me with his clipons, his wheel hit my pipe, put his frontend into a
> shimmy and he dumped it right there in the straightaway.
>
> It wasn't a good day.

That sounds like a terrible experience.

Riding in tight formations with others (on the track or the street)
makes me more nervous than arbitrary and unpredictable variables. The
other riders are probably more dangerous most of the time. I can
predict which way a deer is going to move once they recognize the
oncoming threat, but another rider is totally unpredictable unless you
know them really well.
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>> You haven't heard? I was passing, and the guy was fading left while
>> looking
>> right. Unfortunately, I was on his left, about 3/4's of a bike length
>> ahead.
>> He hit me with his clipons, his wheel hit my pipe, put his frontend into
>> a
>> shimmy and he dumped it right there in the straightaway.
>>
>> It wasn't a good day.
>
> That sounds like a terrible experience.

Like I said, it wasn't a good day. It was the track however, and some things
happen their that might not normally happen on the street because you aren't
in quite the same proximity all the time.


>
> Riding in tight formations with others (on the track or the street)
> makes me more nervous than arbitrary and unpredictable variables.

Its something you get over, but it works because everyone can be expected to
do what they are supposed to do. For example, when barreling down a straight
at 150mph 6 feet behind someone, you don't expect them to suddenly slam the
throttle closed. If they do...you both might get killed. Its slightly
different than "street" thinking, for certain. And until you get used to the
idea that it going to happen...yup....some people might not like it. But it
works quite well.


> The
> other riders are probably more dangerous most of the time. I can
> predict which way a deer is going to move once they recognize the
> oncoming threat, but another rider is totally unpredictable unless you
> know them really well.

No one can predict deer, sorry. I've shot and run over enough of them to
know that as fact. And when all track riding activities are happening the
way they are supposed to ( which means inexperienced riders REALLY need to
get some training and be in there own groups ) it really isn't that big of a
deal.

I know EXACTLY the second I realized that ( Mid-Ohio, July 1994, Turn 1,
3/4's through, face 3 feet from a green 750 Kawasaki at 80mph ). Since
then...no problem.
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On Sep 30, 10:59 pm, "TroytheTroll" <f4_....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I agree that if you wish to improve your riding skills, the track is a
> >> > much better place to practice
> >> > in a much more controlled maner. HOWEVER the track is (by the very
> >> > nature
> >> > of the activity) a more
> >> > dangerous enviroment then street riding at "the pace"....
>
> >> I would agree with you....but I don't consider the Pace, as I read it, to
> >> encompass 140mph street riding because we happen to be comfortable with
> >> the
> >> speed.
>
> > Troy, you and I both know that there are plenty of roads throughout the
> > good old US of A that can
> > accommodate a quite rational blast up to 140 or More
>
> Yes. I get to ride/drive some of them quite often.
>
> But I still don't go 140mph on them. It just isn't necessary.
>
>
>
> > We're both kind of rational guys, right? ....
>
> I do not disagree with the concept of some roads being real good for high
> speed travel. I disagree with the premise of using them as such just because
> "I feel like it". I don't like being limited by silly limits any more than
> the next guy, but "because I feel like it" isn't a good enough of a reason.

How about "to blur the line of connection between man and machine."

Or to just admire what the marvels of babylon we have created, from
time to time. And be free.

Either way, that's okay if you don't need to go fast anymore. It is
risky. Just don't presume it is always unsafe. Absolutes are the
hobgoblins of small minds. Keep the horizon open.
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On Sep 30, 10:40 pm, "TroytheTroll" <f4_....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Should Vaughn post a vid of himself running blindly into the oncoming
> > lane because he's trying to "prove" himself, I'll join right in with
> > the TTT chorus, but simply wicking up a sportbike on some razor
> > straight farmroad in the cheese state flatland is hardly worth getting
> > all worked up over.
>
> Always looking for a bandwagon to jump on. Get your own issue, you MOOCH.

There's only like two issues a week here. Can't I get a lil piece
papa?
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On Oct 1, 12:46 am, Vaughn <vbra... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 10:02 pm, "TroytheTroll" <f4_... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > No one can predict deer, sorry. I've shot and run over enough of them to
> > know that as fact. And when all track riding activities are happening the
> > way they are supposed to ( which means inexperienced riders REALLY need to
> > get some training and be in there own groups ) it really isn't that big of a
> > deal.
>
> > I know EXACTLY the second I realized that ( Mid-Ohio, July 1994, Turn 1,
> > 3/4's through, face 3 feet from a green 750 Kawasaki at 80mph ). Since
> > then...no problem.
>
> Predicting deer before they move is impossible (unless precognition is
> in one's repertoire - but lets save that for the Marvel Universe).
> However, they usually start to move once they perceive the threat.
> Once they start to move, even a few small movements, then you have
> something to work with.
>
> And the idea is to stay on the road, even if you hit one. I usually
> figure the best thing to do is maintain some throttle while control
> braking (if it is a last second sighting) and hold the line until they
> start to move. Then make an instant decision to go just a hair or a
> bit more the other way, while holding the line.
>
> Usually, taken by unthinking fear, their instinct is to run, and once
> they find an escape line, they'll take it and move fast.
>
> So I can't predict them, but watching their movements start on the
> micro level gives a lot of information about which way to go when
> dodging them.
>
> Stupid highway rats.... they get huge around here, and carry frickin
> CWD to ruin the value (meat) of shooting the local white tails, unless
> a trophy buck is one's idea of value. Gotta go 200 miles north to get
> a safe one these days.

What's CWD?
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"saddlebag" <saddlebag.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 1, 12:46 am, Vaughn <vbra....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 30, 10:02 pm, "TroytheTroll" <f4_....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>

>> Stupid highway rats.... they get huge around here, and carry frickin
>> CWD to ruin the value (meat) of shooting the local white tails, unless
>> a trophy buck is one's idea of value. Gotta go 200 miles north to get
>> a safe one these days.
>
> What's CWD?
>
Chronic Wasting Disease. IOW, mad cow.
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> In article <mmuLi.383$bM6.290@newsfe20.lga>, d RemoveThis @d.DDD says...
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>> "TroytheTroll" <f4_boy RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> >>>> Doesn't interest me. As I said, I ride The Pace.
>> >>>
>> >>> Well thats wonderfully fantastic and I'm sure its all great fun, but
>> >>> the
>> >>> pace isn't enthused about the front pushing too much, or powersliding
>> >>> out of corners, or how to get around people in close corners at
>> >>> similar
>> >>> speeds, or trailbraking the piss outta the front, or the more
>> >>> interesting ( or stupid ) things you can get away with on decent
>> >>> pavement you are familiar with, with warm tires, and no oncoming
>> >>> traffic.
>> >>
>> >> That'd be too easy.
>> >
>> > Have you ever actually DONE a trackday?
>>
>> Nope. Just a school once.
>>
> I get the impression you are in the same area I am in, so why not tag
> along next time I do a track day at little Tally? It really is a hoot,
> and I think you will be suprised at the scarcity of squids.
>
> --
> Tweak

I'm about 1 1/2 hrs south of you. It looks like a small, tight track fit
for a noob, yes? I'll think about it. When are you thinking of going?
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>> I do not disagree with the concept of some roads being real good for high
>> speed travel. I disagree with the premise of using them as such just
>> because
>> "I feel like it". I don't like being limited by silly limits any more
>> than
>> the next guy, but "because I feel like it" isn't a good enough of a
>> reason.
>
> How about "to blur the line of connection between man and machine."
>
> Or to just admire what the marvels of babylon we have created, from
> time to time. And be free.
>
> Either way, that's okay if you don't need to go fast anymore.

Since when? Shawn and I used to see who's bike could get to 150mph first
down the back straight at Pueblo...and then we'd come into the pits, swap
bikes, ( we had 3 or 4 out that day ) and do it again. Perfectly nice place
to go fast.

His Gixxer1000 street bike was the fastest. But my 750 sure didn't give up
much to literbikes.
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On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, "TroytheTroll" <f4_....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> I do not disagree with the concept of some roads being real good for high
> >> speed travel. I disagree with the premise of using them as such just
> >> because
> >> "I feel like it". I don't like being limited by silly limits any more
> >> than
> >> the next guy, but "because I feel like it" isn't a good enough of a
> >> reason.
>
> > How about "to blur the line of connection between man and machine."
>
> > Or to just admire what the marvels of babylon we have created, from
> > time to time. And be free.
>
> > Either way, that's okay if you don't need to go fast anymore.
>
> Since when? Shawn and I used to see who's bike could get to 150mph first
> down the back straight at Pueblo...and then we'd come into the pits, swap
> bikes, ( we had 3 or 4 out that day ) and do it again. Perfectly nice place
> to go fast.
>
> His Gixxer1000 street bike was the fastest. But my 750 sure didn't give up
> much to literbikes.

I hear that, I really do.

But how much moo-la did you have to fork out for all those track
days? How much for one day?

It really seems to me that the glory days of track riding are past.
At $165/day pre-reg for a mediocre track, or $185 day of, that just
makes it too painful to make it a regular habit.

All the older folks I know who are great riders talk about the time
when they did track time for $100 for the weekend, at a premier
track. I'm saving up for next season, but sheesh, making a regular
habit of track time cost more than the bikes and the maintenance these
days.
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>> > Either way, that's okay if you don't need to go fast anymore.
>>
>> Since when? Shawn and I used to see who's bike could get to 150mph first
>> down the back straight at Pueblo...and then we'd come into the pits, swap
>> bikes, ( we had 3 or 4 out that day ) and do it again. Perfectly nice
>> place
>> to go fast.
>>
>> His Gixxer1000 street bike was the fastest. But my 750 sure didn't give
>> up
>> much to literbikes.
>
> I hear that, I really do.
>
> But how much moo-la did you have to fork out for all those track
> days? How much for one day?

That day was $45 for about 5 hours. No sessions. We put probably 100 track
miles on each of 4 bikes that day maybe? Of course, unlike limited street
excursions, about every 110 seconds we were drag racing each other for all
we were worth down that dragstrip. Once you get hooked on that dosage of
speed, its kinda hard to find a single 140mph burst particularly amusing.
Especially on the highway. Especially when you don't get to practice panic
breaking from 150mph+ every 110 seconds as well. The street just don't do it
after a few of those.


>
> It really seems to me that the glory days of track riding are past.
> At $165/day pre-reg for a mediocre track, or $185 day of, that just
> makes it too painful to make it a regular habit.
>

I stopped going to CLASS when it passed the $300-$350 mark, I still consider
a decent $130-$190 day not all bad, depending on the track.


> All the older folks I know who are great riders talk about the time
> when they did track time for $100 for the weekend, at a premier
> track.

I was paying $250 back in 89...how far back have your friends been doing
trackdays?
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On Oct 1, 8:48 pm, Vaughn <vbra... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, "TroytheTroll" <f4_... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> I do not disagree with the concept of some roads being real good for high
> > >> speed travel. I disagree with the premise of using them as such just
> > >> because
> > >> "I feel like it". I don't like being limited by silly limits any more
> > >> than
> > >> the next guy, but "because I feel like it" isn't a good enough of a
> > >> reason.
>
> > > How about "to blur the line of connection between man and machine."
>
> > > Or to just admire what the marvels of babylon we have created, from
> > > time to time. And be free.
>
> > > Either way, that's okay if you don't need to go fast anymore.
>
> > Since when? Shawn and I used to see who's bike could get to 150mph first
> > down the back straight at Pueblo...and then we'd come into the pits, swap
> > bikes, ( we had 3 or 4 out that day ) and do it again. Perfectly nice place
> > to go fast.
>
> > His Gixxer1000 street bike was the fastest. But my 750 sure didn't give up
> > much to literbikes.
>
> I hear that, I really do.
>
> But how much moo-la did you have to fork out for all those track
> days? How much for one day?
>
> It really seems to me that the glory days of track riding are past.
> At $165/day pre-reg for a mediocre track, or $185 day of, that just
> makes it too painful to make it a regular habit.
>
> All the older folks I know who are great riders talk about the time
> when they did track time for $100 for the weekend, at a premier
> track. I'm saving up for next season, but sheesh, making a regular
> habit of track time cost more than the bikes and the maintenance these
> days.

Not to mention, most of these outfits now require you to wear a
leather suit and back protector. Not cheap and something that most
probably won't use off the track. Then there's the time/cost of
changing out antifreeze to water wetter and removing/replacing the
mirrors (which may be easy or a 1 hr job each way on a Duc ST). Don't
forget you'll need fresh tires to pass tech inspection.

And now that TTT doesn't have a track within 15 minutes, we don't here
about him doing any trackdays anymore either. Seems the time/money/
hassle to travel hundreds of miles to ride 10 corners may even be to
great for him.
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