Boots that aren't hot in the summer

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>> Unfortunately, lots
>> of national caliber tracks have a BIG straight somewhere, sniff around
>> the
>> secondary, local club racing semi-goattrail tracks, those might work.
>> Lots
>> of bumps, slower speeds, lots of turns, not really enough room for a
>> decent
>> straightaway.
>>
>
> Talladega grand prix is one such course. Great fun, and Bargy track
> days there are 100 bucks. Liberal passing rules (adv. is pretty much
> race practice), and good people running the show. If you make it down
> to this corner of the country we should do a day there.
>
> --
> Tweak

I noticed that Talladega did track days a few years back, forget what
organization I was examining at the time. I always have an eye open for
sv650 sized tracks.
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>> > Man, I don't know how I can be any clearer on this. There's over 4M
>> > miles
>> > of paved streets in the US and how many miles of track? Do the math.
>>
>> I don't have to. Like some of the more talented around here, I can use
>> statistics to lie
>
> Now there is a TTT statement for the ages. Talented riders are
> deceptive mathematicians. Damn this can be amusing.

Statisticians aren't necessarily mathematicians. Matter of fact, the
statistician I know is also an economist.


>
> Hey dodo, did ya see Honda's answer to your gully washer?
>
> http://www.motorcycledaily.com/27september07_honda2008transalp.htm
>

Damn. Maybe I can trade my KLR in, I would love a small, vtwin sized
semi-dirt bike, as long as its got the right goodies for both offroading and
highway use. But the power has got to be better than the KLR, which wold
make it a much better highway bike.
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"TroytheTroll" <f4_boy.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> > Man, I don't know how I can be any clearer on this. There's over 4M
>>> > miles
>>> > of paved streets in the US and how many miles of track? Do the math.
>>>
>>> I don't have to. Like some of the more talented around here, I can use
>>> statistics to lie
>>
>> Now there is a TTT statement for the ages. Talented riders are
>> deceptive mathematicians. Damn this can be amusing.
>
> Statisticians aren't necessarily mathematicians. Matter of fact, the
> statistician I know is also an economist.
>
>
>>
>> Hey dodo, did ya see Honda's answer to your gully washer?
>>
>> http://www.motorcycledaily.com/27september07_honda2008transalp.htm
>>
>
> Damn. Maybe I can trade my KLR in, I would love a small, vtwin sized
> semi-dirt bike, as long as its got the right goodies for both offroading
> and highway use. But the power has got to be better than the KLR, which
> wold make it a much better highway bike.

The DL650 wouldn't fit that bill?
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On Sep 28, 2:45 pm, "D" <d... RemoveThis @d.DDD> wrote:

> > I've ridden with him on the street and the track, and I gotta tell you
> > the guy is truly inspiring. If the Troll just observed him from a
> > distance he'd call him a squid because he does all the above
>
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Maybe not, but the three themes I read most clearly in your post were:
1) "Everything has a darkside, including track and/or street riding."
2) "My answer isn't to give up street riding in favor of track riding"
3) You ride The Pace on the street, away from what you consider
squids.

My post agreed with those points, and then went on to say that in
remote areas away from others it really is all relative to the
situation, the rider, the conditions, and the bike.

The tone of all this "squidly" judging of others seems like a
categorical kind of classist prejudice. There's a lot of people (most
sportbike riders, actually) whom I won't ride with because I judge
their behavior to be unsafe. But I'm hesitant to judge others sight
unseen, and try to not develop strong prejudices about a class of
riders until I see if they are riding within the limit of their
skills.

And I avoid places like the Gap, too.
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>>> Hey dodo, did ya see Honda's answer to your gully washer?
>>>
>>> http://www.motorcycledaily.com/27september07_honda2008transalp.htm
>>>
>>
>> Damn. Maybe I can trade my KLR in, I would love a small, vtwin sized
>> semi-dirt bike, as long as its got the right goodies for both offroading
>> and highway use. But the power has got to be better than the KLR, which
>> wold make it a much better highway bike.
>
> The DL650 wouldn't fit that bill?

It isn't "dirty" enough. I realize some people use them that way, but I am
way more comfortable on the KLR when out "exploring". My old one wore
semi-knobbies year round, kept the suspension on the stiff side, and went
down dirt roads and trails any chance I got.
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> Point is, all the categorical squidly behavior some are so quick to
> judge is completely relative to the situation - and the rider.
>
>

140 mph on a public highway doesn't require any "judgment" at all. Assuming
the story is true, I stand by my original comment on the exact jackass
nature of such a move.
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> You are toast now, Troy. Give it up.
>
> > A lot of the really talented riders in my area have a wealth of track
> > experience, but have switched back to street riding by preference.
> > One fellow in particular was one of the region's best racers last year
> > - sponsored and everything.
>
> Got a number and race org? Or at least from what organization all these
> riders are fleeing?
>
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While I'm not claiming he's the fastest guy in the world or anything,
he is really talented, #93.
http://www.msbracing.com/index.php?mode=viewcat&cat_id=9
The regional group is CCS Racing - they race at Blackhawk Farms and
Road America, in IL/WI.

And when asked why he's switching to street riding this year, he said,
"It's just more fun."
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>> Good wisdom in this post - I agree with everything in D's post.
>
> You are toast now, Troy. Give it up.

I am quite surprised, what is obvious to some, and yet so invisible to
others.


>
>> A lot of the really talented riders in my area have a wealth of track
>> experience, but have switched back to street riding by preference.
>> One fellow in particular was one of the region's best racers last year
>> - sponsored and everything.
>
> Got a number and race org? Or at least from what organization all these
> riders are fleeing?
>
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> Tweak

I'm curious as well. Most of the MRA guys I've talked to have nearly
abandoned the street. Of course, some of our MRA riders have pasted Miquel
himself in AMA Superbike, as well as finishing on the podium a chunk of the
season in FX. Maybe the riders V are talking about are REALLY accomplished,
versus the locals here.
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>> Got a number and race org? Or at least from what organization all these
>> riders are fleeing?
>>
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> While I'm not claiming he's the fastest guy in the world or anything,
> he is really talented, #93.
> http://www.msbracing.com/index.php?mode=viewcat&cat_id=9
> The regional group is CCS Racing - they race at Blackhawk Farms and
> Road America, in IL/WI.
>
> And when asked why he's switching to street riding this year, he said,
> "It's just more fun."
>

So that answers that question. Local club racers who don't beat Miquel.
Well, there is quality, then there is quality. Did I mention Ricky has
finished Daytona 200 in the Top 10 before? Of course, he doesn't street ride
either.
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> Troy, first off "the pace" doesn't belong to the writer-- it was in place
> long before that piece was
> written. Many off us ride within our own comfort zones and have for a very
> long time.

Sure have. But the guy who wrote it, was it Ienatsch?, seems to have
codified it pretty well.

>
> Regarding 140mph on a public street--Many bikes today can accelerate to
> 140mph in very short order.
> My bike can accerate from 0-140mph in around 10 seconds. If you're
> cruising along at 80mph and pull
> out to make a pass it's pretty easy to see higher speeds while you're
> slowing down .
>

So....because we all ride bikes which go fast....we should only use it when
passing?


> I agree that if you wish to improve your riding skills, the track is a
> much better place to practice
> in a much more controlled maner. HOWEVER the track is (by the very nature
> of the activity) a more
> dangerous enviroment then street riding at "the pace"....

I would agree with you....but I don't consider the Pace, as I read it, to
encompass 140mph street riding because we happen to be comfortable with the
speed.
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"TroytheTroll" <f4_boy.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > I agree that if you wish to improve your riding skills, the track is a
> > much better place to practice
> > in a much more controlled maner. HOWEVER the track is (by the very nature
> > of the activity) a more
> > dangerous enviroment then street riding at "the pace"....
>
> I would agree with you....but I don't consider the Pace, as I read it, to
> encompass 140mph street riding because we happen to be comfortable with the
> speed.


Troy, you and I both know that there are plenty of roads throughout the good old US of A that can
accommodate a quite rational blast up to 140 or More

We're both kind of rational guys, right? ....
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