New Bike shopping Day 1

On Sep 18, 7:10 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
> On Sep 18, 6:56 pm, Berg wrote:
>
> > tomor....DeleteThis@erols.com wrote:
> > > Having raced agains SV650s on both EX500s and Ducati 750SS's (2v air-
> > > cooled) and currently track riding a Sport 620, and having just ridden
> > > an 800SS
>
> > 800SS ?? Year?
> > Something U.S. only? Or a 750 with a big bore kit?(or a de-stroked 900?).
>
> In 1999, Ducati replaced the "original" Pantah-descended 750SS and
> 900SS models with a new 750/900cc replacement.
>
> In 2003, the Ducati 750cc and 900cc air-cooled 2-valve motors were
> replaced both in the U.S. and worldwide with their newer 800cc and
> 1000cc replacements in both the SS (Supersport) and Monster chassis.
>
> In 2003 ONLY, in the U.S. and in Europe, an identically framed,
> bodied, and suspended (with minor detail variances) 620cc model called
> the 620 Sport was introduced as a replacement for the failed 600SS of
> several years earlier, a bike that was never offered in the U.S.
>
> Ducati sold 170 620 Sports worldwide. It was never offered again.
>
> In 2007, the 620cc motor from that model, that had been used in the
> Monster 620ie since 2003, was replaced with the 695, essentially using
> the newer technology heads from the 800.
>
> Cornfoozling enough for ya? Tim
>
> P.S. Now they have an 1100cc 2-valver in the HyperMotard and the
> MultiStrada. Bet it'll be in the top of the line SS and air-cooled
> Monster in 2008!

You weren't kidding about following Ducati. That's an impressive list
of facts.

I've never had the chance to ride a Duc. But I like the way the
company seems to be going. The mid-sized monsters really appeal to
me, as well as the big sportbikes.
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On Sep 19, 8:29 am, Berg wrote:
> tomor....RemoveThis@erols.com wrote:
> > On Sep 18, 6:56 pm, Berg wrote:
> >> tomor....RemoveThis@erols.com wrote:
>
> >>> Having raced agains SV650s on both EX500s and Ducati 750SS's (2v air-
> >>> cooled) and currently track riding a Sport 620, and having just ridden
> >>> an 800SS
> >> 800SS ?? Year?
> >> Something U.S. only? Or a 750 with a big bore kit?(or a de-stroked 900?).
>
> > In 1999, Ducati replaced the "original" Pantah-descended 750SS and
> > 900SS models with a new 750/900cc replacement.
>
> > In 2003, the Ducati 750cc and 900cc air-cooled 2-valve motors were
> > replaced both in the U.S. and worldwide with their newer 800cc and
> > 1000cc replacements in both the SS (Supersport) and Monster chassis.
>
> I was aware of the 800 Monster but must have missed the 800SS.
>
>
>
> > In 2003 ONLY, in the U.S. and in Europe, an identically framed,
> > bodied, and suspended (with minor detail variances) 620cc model called
> > the 620 Sport was introduced
>
> Never heard of this model.
>
> as a replacement for the failed 600SS of
>
> > several years earlier, a bike that was never offered in the U.S.
>
> I have a -98 600SS here in Norway.
> (The shortest stroke of the early SS's).Has big bore cylinders, topping
> out at 648cc OR 688cc, bought second hand and not opened yet...

Excellent! Here are a couple of pictures of my 620 Sport:

http://tinyurl.com/yodlpa
http://tinyurl.com/2t8hly

Cheers, Tim
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Vaughn wrote:
> On Sep 18, 7:10 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
>> On Sep 18, 6:56 pm, Berg wrote:
>>
>>> tomor... RemoveThis @erols.com wrote:
>>>> Having raced agains SV650s on both EX500s and Ducati 750SS's (2v air-
>>>> cooled) and currently track riding a Sport 620, and having just ridden
>>>> an 800SS
>>> 800SS ?? Year?
>>> Something U.S. only? Or a 750 with a big bore kit?(or a de-stroked 900?).
>> In 1999, Ducati replaced the "original" Pantah-descended 750SS and
>> 900SS models with a new 750/900cc replacement.
>>
>> In 2003, the Ducati 750cc and 900cc air-cooled 2-valve motors were
>> replaced both in the U.S. and worldwide with their newer 800cc and
>> 1000cc replacements in both the SS (Supersport) and Monster chassis.
>>
>> In 2003 ONLY, in the U.S. and in Europe, an identically framed,
>> bodied, and suspended (with minor detail variances) 620cc model called
>> the 620 Sport was introduced as a replacement for the failed 600SS of
>> several years earlier, a bike that was never offered in the U.S.
>>
>> Ducati sold 170 620 Sports worldwide. It was never offered again.
>>
>> In 2007, the 620cc motor from that model, that had been used in the
>> Monster 620ie since 2003, was replaced with the 695, essentially using
>> the newer technology heads from the 800.
>>
>> Cornfoozling enough for ya? Tim
>>
>> P.S. Now they have an 1100cc 2-valver in the HyperMotard and the
>> MultiStrada. Bet it'll be in the top of the line SS and air-cooled
>> Monster in 2008!
>
> You weren't kidding about following Ducati. That's an impressive list
> of facts.
>
> I've never had the chance to ride a Duc. But I like the way the
> company seems to be going. The mid-sized monsters really appeal to
> me, as well as the big sportbikes.

Course Superbikes in Saukville has demo days every spring... We oughta go!
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On Sep 19, 10:58 am, Berg wrote:

> I have the previous chassis/fairing, the classic square headlamp, full
> fairing job in red.

IOW, a MUCH better looking bike!

> Is yours a carb or injection model?
> Did yours come with dual exhausts stock?
> The 600SS came with a single muffler.

Yes, the 620 Sport is injected, came stock with dual exhausts. It
shares the chassis (frame, suspension, brakes, bodywork, instruments,
controls) with both the 800SS and the 1000SS, although the 1000SS has
multi-adjustable forks, lighter 5-spoke wheels, and an aluminum
(rather than steel) swingarm. The 800SS was discontinued in the U.S.
for 2007, leaving only the 1000 as the sole surviving SuperSport in
the Ducati lineup.
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On Sep 18, 11:11 am, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
> On Sep 18, 1:38 pm, Bob Nixon wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 16, 4:45 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 14, 7:11 pm, "BryanUT" wrote:
>
> > > > "Andrew" wrote in message
>
> > > >
>
> > > > > Did you look at the Monster 620?
>
> > > > It's not in their current line up. An orphan. But used:
>
> > > >http://phoenix.craigslist.org/mcy/395529460.html
>
> > > Current is the 695. A much better bike than the 620.
>
> > The Dealer didn't have a 695, Tim but he did mention than I would need
> > at least an 800 or 1000 to hang with a well tuned SV-650. And he's
> > been selling Duc's fo 2r0 years. BTW, he did not mean that statment to
> > include a 4 valve 749 which can wipe the floor up with an SV. The air
> > cooled two valve engines were all I was interested in.
>
> > Bob Nixon.
>
> Having raced agains SV650s on both EX500s and Ducati 750SS's (2v air-
> cooled) and currently track riding a Sport 620, and having just ridden
> an 800SS at the track two weeks ago, I have to respectfully disagree
> with your dealer.
>
> Motorcyclist has a test of the 695 Monster in their current issue, "10
> bikes under $10k" article. They dynoed the 695 at 73 hp, 46 ft-lbs of
> torque, and it weighed 412 or 416 pounds full of gas. Equal enough
> to an SV650 that the rider will almost always certainly be the
> difference. The old 620 had 14 less horsepower, enough that you had
> to be a MUCH better rider on it to put an SV650 behind you. An
> S2R800 or S2R1000 Monster, otoh, will both annihilate a stock SV650,
> riders being equal.

The 695 equal maybe but factoring in price not really. And a current
(top5% of the production line SV's with a pipe are closer to 80RWHP)
Hell even an average one on the bell curve is ~75HP especially with
the Yosh pipe. All which makes the Ducati dealers statement true in
that it REALLY takes either an 800 or 1000=(current duc models) to
soundly trounce an SV-650 in say a 1/4 mile drag race or top end run.
A close curcuit track is more about the rider so I didn't include that
in my statement.

> BTW, the current Roadracing World & Motorcycle Technology issue has a
> STREET test of the Triumph 675 Street Triple that makes it sound as if
> it might very well be worth waiting for Triumph to get its act
> together and the price to come down to msrp on them. They emphasised
> the lower seat height compared to the 675 Daytona as well as the
> humane riding position. Unusually positive review coming from those
> guys.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think we've beat this one to death, Tim. I can't wait over a year to
see if the Street triple is a viable ride with a nice "low "seat
height, unlike the current 675 with a 33.5" seat height. They
delivered the SV with the triple clamp pushed down ~1" and the rear
preload set down a bit. I can actually flat foot it better than the
little RZ-350.

Finally Tim, would it kill you to be a nice fellah and just say,
congrats or nothing at all. I tried the Duc and found them too damned
expensive & potentially high maintenance for MY needs. So the SV is a
common bike? It has a good reputation and I owned one before so I knew
what I was getting. After the RZ-350 debacle, I wanted something
reliable that I won't have to worry about starting or wrenching on
with one leg and 1/2 a functional heart in this AZ heat. I'll keep and
get the RZ-350 fixed but will never subject it to 100MPH+ runs any
more. That said, I'll end this with an old cliché, "Walk a mile in my
shoes". I went to the trouble of Ducati shooping like you suggested
but it was $$not$$ to be.

Bob Nixon.
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On Sep 19, 1:07 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
> On Sep 19, 2:54 pm, Bob Nixon wrote:

[...]
>
> So, congratulations on your SV. I think I've already said that the
> SV is a great bike and beyond that, is a helluva performance bargain
> in today's marketplace, but I'll say it again. It's great out of the
> box, and it responds very well to minor, inexpensive, well-understood
> modifications for those who WISH to modify it. For those who prefer
> to leave it the hell alone, it is a wonderful ride, and a competent
> rider can hang surprisingly well with anyone on any bike (well, except
> for going 140 mph on the public streets, of course!) on an SV.
>
> I call it the demon bike from hell because it was so FUCKING HARD to
> beat competent riders on SV650s on the racetrack when I was racing.
> That's a COMPLIMENT.
>
> I hope the bike is everything you need it to be in order to enjoy
> riding it as often as, and as well as, I'm sure you will.

Sorry about your news feed and I know what you mean about Google being
hit & miss. That said, hopefully we're cool about this
misunderstanding.

Bob Nixon.
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On Sep 19, 4:52 pm, Bob Nixon wrote:

> Sorry about your news feed and I know what you mean about Google being
> hit & miss. That said, hopefully we're cool about this
> misunderstanding.

Yep, no problem.

Tim
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tomorrow RemoveThis @erols.com wrote:
> On Sep 18, 6:56 pm, Berg wrote:
>> tomor... RemoveThis @erols.com wrote:
>
>>> Having raced agains SV650s on both EX500s and Ducati 750SS's (2v air-
>>> cooled) and currently track riding a Sport 620, and having just ridden
>>> an 800SS
>> 800SS ?? Year?
>> Something U.S. only? Or a 750 with a big bore kit?(or a de-stroked 900?).
>
> In 1999, Ducati replaced the "original" Pantah-descended 750SS and
> 900SS models with a new 750/900cc replacement.
>
> In 2003, the Ducati 750cc and 900cc air-cooled 2-valve motors were
> replaced both in the U.S. and worldwide with their newer 800cc and
> 1000cc replacements in both the SS (Supersport) and Monster chassis.

I was aware of the 800 Monster but must have missed the 800SS.
>
> In 2003 ONLY, in the U.S. and in Europe, an identically framed,
> bodied, and suspended (with minor detail variances) 620cc model called
> the 620 Sport was introduced

Never heard of this model.

as a replacement for the failed 600SS of
> several years earlier, a bike that was never offered in the U.S.

I have a -98 600SS here in Norway.
(The shortest stroke of the early SS's).Has big bore cylinders, topping
out at 648cc OR 688cc, bought second hand and not opened yet...
>
> Ducati sold 170 620 Sports worldwide. It was never offered again.
>
> In 2007, the 620cc motor from that model, that had been used in the
> Monster 620ie since 2003, was replaced with the 695

Yes, knew about this one and its 73 hp..
, essentially using
> the newer technology heads from the 800.
>
> Cornfoozling enough for ya? Tim
>
> P.S. Now they have an 1100cc 2-valver in the HyperMotard

Yup, had a look at it in a dealership earlier this summer, nice!

and the
> MultiStrada.

Never could like the look of the Multistrada, a design fluke at best..

Bet it'll be in the top of the line SS and air-cooled
> Monster in 2008!
>


Thanx.

P.J.Berg
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On Sep 19, 9:11 am, Steve Mackay wrote:
> Vaughn wrote:
> > On Sep 18, 7:10 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" wrote:
> >> On Sep 18, 6:56 pm, Berg wrote:
>
> >>> tomor... RemoveThis @erols.com wrote:
> >>>> Having raced agains SV650s on both EX500s and Ducati 750SS's (2v air-
> >>>> cooled) and currently track riding a Sport 620, and having just ridden
> >>>> an 800SS
> >>> 800SS ?? Year?
> >>> Something U.S. only? Or a 750 with a big bore kit?(or a de-stroked 900?).
> >> In 1999, Ducati replaced the "original" Pantah-descended 750SS and
> >> 900SS models with a new 750/900cc replacement.
>
> >> In 2003, the Ducati 750cc and 900cc air-cooled 2-valve motors were
> >> replaced both in the U.S. and worldwide with their newer 800cc and
> >> 1000cc replacements in both the SS (Supersport) and Monster chassis.
>
> >> In 2003 ONLY, in the U.S. and in Europe, an identically framed,
> >> bodied, and suspended (with minor detail variances) 620cc model called
> >> the 620 Sport was introduced as a replacement for the failed 600SS of
> >> several years earlier, a bike that was never offered in the U.S.
>
> >> Ducati sold 170 620 Sports worldwide. It was never offered again.
>
> >> In 2007, the 620cc motor from that model, that had been used in the
> >> Monster 620ie since 2003, was replaced with the 695, essentially using
> >> the newer technology heads from the 800.
>
> >> Cornfoozling enough for ya? Tim
>
> >> P.S. Now they have an 1100cc 2-valver in the HyperMotard and the
> >> MultiStrada. Bet it'll be in the top of the line SS and air-cooled
> >> Monster in 2008!
>
> > You weren't kidding about following Ducati. That's an impressive list
> > of facts.
>
> > I've never had the chance to ride a Duc. But I like the way the
> > company seems to be going. The mid-sized monsters really appeal to
> > me, as well as the big sportbikes.
>
> Course Superbikes in Saukville has demo days every spring... We oughta go!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sounds great! Remind me in the Spring and I'm in!

I met the shop owner/staff at the CW Intl. Bike Show in Chicago last
year. Seemed a right nice chap.
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tomorrow.TakeThisOut@erols.com wrote:
> On Sep 19, 8:29 am, Berg wrote:
>> tomor....TakeThisOut@erols.com wrote:
>>> On Sep 18, 6:56 pm, Berg wrote:
>>>> tomor....TakeThisOut@erols.com wrote:
>>>>> Having raced agains SV650s on both EX500s and Ducati 750SS's (2v air-
>>>>> cooled) and currently track riding a Sport 620, and having just ridden
>>>>> an 800SS
>>>> 800SS ?? Year?
>>>> Something U.S. only? Or a 750 with a big bore kit?(or a de-stroked 900?).
>>> In 1999, Ducati replaced the "original" Pantah-descended 750SS and
>>> 900SS models with a new 750/900cc replacement.
>>> In 2003, the Ducati 750cc and 900cc air-cooled 2-valve motors were
>>> replaced both in the U.S. and worldwide with their newer 800cc and
>>> 1000cc replacements in both the SS (Supersport) and Monster chassis.
>> I was aware of the 800 Monster but must have missed the 800SS.
>>
>>
>>
>>> In 2003 ONLY, in the U.S. and in Europe, an identically framed,
>>> bodied, and suspended (with minor detail variances) 620cc model called
>>> the 620 Sport was introduced
>> Never heard of this model.
>>
>> as a replacement for the failed 600SS of
>>
>>> several years earlier, a bike that was never offered in the U.S.
>> I have a -98 600SS here in Norway.
>> (The shortest stroke of the early SS's).Has big bore cylinders, topping
>> out at 648cc OR 688cc, bought second hand and not opened yet...
>
> Excellent! Here are a couple of pictures of my 620 Sport:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yodlpa
> http://tinyurl.com/2t8hly
>
> Cheers, Tim
>


I have the previous chassis/fairing, the classic square headlamp, full
fairing job in red.

Is yours a carb or injection model?

All the best.

J.

Ps.
Did yours come with dual exhausts stock?
The 600SS came with a single muffler.
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