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 > Any takers? I'm open to anything, no matter how
outrageous, so long as
 > it is possible to do.
 >
 > Pierre

Enjoy your motorcycle while you have it, by the sounds of
your situation it will not be long in your possession. A
possible suggestion since you can't find a garage might be
one of those U-Stor it storage areas? I've used those before
to keep my motorcycles from sitting out where just about
anybody can get at them. Its a pain to have to travel to
some other place to get it, but at least you have a decent
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 > Since you mentioned you have a backyard, why not put up a small shed
 > that you can lock. It won?t eliminate the risk of theft but it will
 > certainly reduce it as it will be out of sight and lockable. There are
 > many different types out there and you can build it yourself if you?re
 > so inclined. Hell, you could even install an alarm of some sort if you
 > wanted.
 >
 > That?s what I?d do anyway.

Thats the best idea i've heard to date. Thanks for the advice.

Pierre

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"Pierre Lafontaine" <plafontain.RemoveThis@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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 > Gah... last post was to the wrong group...
 >
 > After lurking on here for some time i'm quite impressed by the amount
 > of useful and intelligent information that can be found here. Most
 > newsgroups aren't as informative or useful.
 >
 > My Story:
 >
 > i've got
 > no garage to park it in

Guarding against theft is definitely a priority reason for having some kind
of inside storage for your bike. Motorcycle's left outside weather quite a
bit faster than an automobile. A bike kept inside stays in new shape a lot
longer. Outside and they tend to look years old rather quickly.

Either get a storage unit to put it in, or build the storage shed out back,
out of sight, out of mind. I had a friend do this. Lots of times motorcycle
thefts occur by opportunity. Someone sea's it, and it's gone. I had a friend
of mine come home from a ride, park the bike in the driveway with the car
while he went inside to get the gear off. Turned on the TV and watched a
little racing before going out to put the bike in the garage. When he did,
it was gone!

The punks just pushed it off down the street. What really sucked was all
kinds of people saw them going down the street with the bike and did
nothing. They got away, but he eventually got the bike back through shear
luck. Most times they are stripped apart within hours of theft.

Anyway, get it inside somewhere to protect it from thieves and the elements.

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Pierre Lafontaine wrote
 > I've just purchased a 2003 Kawasaki Ninja 500R and because I fall into
 > almost the worst possible demographic for insurance, i'm concerned
 > about having my bike stolen and having my premiums shoot even further
 > through the roof. My neighbourhood is relatively quiet, but i've got
 > no garage to park it in and i'm loathe to leave it in my driveway
 > because it is so light.
 >
 > What I need is advice on ways to secure a motorcycle against theft.
 > Nothing is Theft Proof, but I want it to be as difficult as possible
 > to steal. I've had friend suggest I build a ramp in my backyard and
 > park it in my kitchen... probably not the best thing I could do, but
 > so far its my best suggestion.

Some mentioned the shack in the back yard. Great idea.
Short of that... you could bolt a rack system to your driveway. Chain
the front and back to two seperate sections.

How light is it? I'm actually relatively happy with parking my bike next
to the building and putting the steering column lock on. Unless they can
lift it, they'll just end up pusing it into the building.
Insurance wise, you'll likely get a break if you actually put an audible
alarm on it. I even saw some that were controlled remotely from teh key
itself and could be "killed" remotely. Some f#!kwad steals your bike
they deserve to be put in danger.

A bike cover does wonders for making people ignore it.

Chris
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Chris Moran <cmorandelete RemoveThis @crossfadedelete.com> wrote in message news:<NiFNa.21570$U23.21210@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
 > Pierre Lafontaine wrote
  > > I've just purchased a 2003 Kawasaki Ninja 500R and because I fall into
  > > almost the worst possible demographic for insurance, i'm concerned
  > > about having my bike stolen and having my premiums shoot even further
  > > through the roof. My neighbourhood is relatively quiet, but i've got
  > > no garage to park it in and i'm loathe to leave it in my driveway
  > > because it is so light.
  > >
  > > What I need is advice on ways to secure a motorcycle against theft.
  > > Nothing is Theft Proof, but I want it to be as difficult as possible
  > > to steal. I've had friend suggest I build a ramp in my backyard and
  > > park it in my kitchen... probably not the best thing I could do, but
  > > so far its my best suggestion.
 >
 > Some mentioned the shack in the back yard. Great idea.
 > Short of that... you could bolt a rack system to your driveway. Chain
 > the front and back to two seperate sections.
 >
 > How light is it? I'm actually relatively happy with parking my bike next
 > to the building and putting the steering column lock on. Unless they can
 > lift it, they'll just end up pusing it into the building.
 > Insurance wise, you'll likely get a break if you actually put an audible
 > alarm on it. I even saw some that were controlled remotely from teh key
 > itself and could be "killed" remotely. Some f#!kwad steals your bike
 > they deserve to be put in danger.
 >
 > A bike cover does wonders for making people ignore it.
 >
 > Chris

Hmm, an alarm isn't too bad an idea. I'm going to be moving shortly,
and I unfortunately I still don't have a garage, but I have more space
to setup a shed. By remotely controlled, do you mean the ignition, as
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On 17 Jul 2003 09:31:22 -0700, plafontain.TakeThisOut@sympatico.ca (Pierre
Lafontaine) wrote:

 >Chris Moran <cmorandelete.TakeThisOut@crossfadedelete.com> wrote in message news:<NiFNa.21570$U23.21210@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
  >> Pierre Lafontaine wrote
   >> > I've just purchased a 2003 Kawasaki Ninja 500R and because I fall into
   >> > almost the worst possible demographic for insurance, i'm concerned
   >> > about having my bike stolen and having my premiums shoot even further
   >> > through the roof. My neighbourhood is relatively quiet, but i've got
   >> > no garage to park it in and i'm loathe to leave it in my driveway
   >> > because it is so light.
   >> >
   >> > What I need is advice on ways to secure a motorcycle against theft.
   >> > Nothing is Theft Proof, but I want it to be as difficult as possible
   >> > to steal. I've had friend suggest I build a ramp in my backyard and
   >> > park it in my kitchen... probably not the best thing I could do, but
   >> > so far its my best suggestion.
  >>
  >> Some mentioned the shack in the back yard. Great idea.
  >> Short of that... you could bolt a rack system to your driveway. Chain
  >> the front and back to two seperate sections.
  >>
  >> How light is it? I'm actually relatively happy with parking my bike next
  >> to the building and putting the steering column lock on. Unless they can
  >> lift it, they'll just end up pusing it into the building.
  >> Insurance wise, you'll likely get a break if you actually put an audible
  >> alarm on it. I even saw some that were controlled remotely from teh key
  >> itself and could be "killed" remotely. Some f#!kwad steals your bike
  >> they deserve to be put in danger.
  >>
  >> A bike cover does wonders for making people ignore it.
  >>
  >> Chris
 >
 >Hmm, an alarm isn't too bad an idea. I'm going to be moving shortly,
 >and I unfortunately I still don't have a garage, but I have more space
 >to setup a shed. By remotely controlled, do you mean the ignition, as
 >in you can kill the engine remotely? That would definetly put a crimp
 >in trying to drive it away I imagine

Alarms are good but can fail. Also people tend to ignore the sound of
alarms (or do here in the UK). I've even had them send the battery
dead when left for a few weeks (whilst on holidays ... vacations) Do
you have a tracker type alarm in the US? Over here in the UK we have
bike alarms that when reported stolen the police can trace the bike to
within feet of where it is hidden. This is even if it is in
underground car parks etc. Not too expensive either.

If your alarm fails as mine have on occasion, that is a pain in the
butt, nothing worse than being in the middle of nowhere with a bike
immobilized. I'd rather spend the same money on a good chain and lock.

Over here in the UK the cost of not having an alarm to your bike is an
extra £50.00 UK, but a good alarm is £350(ish). I'd rather spend that
money on a chain and lock.

I think that a bolt system to lock your machine to your driveway is
great. I used to have one at my last house and will be installing
another in my garage as soon as I get some spare time. I have never
had a bike stolen even though I live 15 minutes from London. This I
reckon is due to the good quality chains, locks and floor bolt
systems. I'm sure if all I had was a alarm system someone would have
run of with my bikes years ago. Just be as careful as you can where
you leave your bike. Always try to leave it in view of crowds, shops,
garages, stations, that type of place. I think if someone really wants
to steal your bike they will, but if you take extra care then you cut
the odds big time.

UK bike insurance is MUCH cheaper than in the USA by the way. My
wife's from Richmond, Virginia and found out how much it would have
cost to insure my zx9r over there. It costs me £310.00 UK per year
which I guess is about $550.00. I think she was quoted over $1500 to
insure it in the Richmond area, and that was a good quote!

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I was thinking about that. Getting a bolt driven into the pavement
and some heavy-duty industrial chain with a kryptolock.
Unfortunately, my insurance is going to cost me around 2400$ a
year(thankfully, in CAD, instead of USD). I'm an under 25 yr old
single male driver with no priors and an ok credit history, with an M2
Class license (not a full license, but almost). Ah well... at least
its an under 500cc bike, that helped insurance alot. The price we pay
to ride!

I had a question about the motion detection alarms. I've read that
some of them detect movement for a couple of feet around the bike,
which I imagine is a boon if you have saddlebags that you want to
alarm as well, but how sensitive is it to things in the environment,
like moving leaves, or cats and such? Can you scale the alarm down to
set off only if the bike is moved?

Pierre
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Pierre Lafontaine wrote:

 >I was thinking about that. Getting a bolt driven into the pavement
 >and some heavy-duty industrial chain with a kryptolock.
 >Unfortunately, my insurance is going to cost me around 2400$ a
 >year(thankfully, in CAD, instead of USD). I'm an under 25 yr old
 >single male driver with no priors and an ok credit history, with an M2
 >Class license (not a full license, but almost). Ah well... at least
 >its an under 500cc bike, that helped insurance alot. The price we pay
 >to ride!
 >
 >I had a question about the motion detection alarms. I've read that
 >some of them detect movement for a couple of feet around the bike,
 >which I imagine is a boon if you have saddlebags that you want to
 >alarm as well, but how sensitive is it to things in the environment,
 >like moving leaves, or cats and such? Can you scale the alarm down to
 >set off only if the bike is moved?
 >
 >Pierre
 >


$2400 a year?!!? Wow! For less than 500cc bike? Man... what did you
do to deserve that?
I pay $500 a year CDN for a 1200cc Sporty, with lotsa speeding tickets.
I have to leave my bike outside too..with a bolted chain. What kind of
alarm you use?
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plafontain DeleteThis @sympatico.ca (Pierre Lafontaine) wrote in message news:<3bfbbe41.0306260525.33ef3dcd DeleteThis @posting.google.com>...

 > What I need is advice on ways to secure a motorcycle against theft.
 > Nothing is Theft Proof, but I want it to be as difficult as possible
 > to steal. I've had friend suggest I build a ramp in my backyard and
 > park it in my kitchen... probably not the best thing I could do, but
 > so far its my best suggestion.
 >
 > Any takers? I'm open to anything, no matter how outrageous, so long as
 > it is possible to do.
 >
 > Pierre
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If you think it'll be stolen, it probably will.

I parked bikes in the living room six years, after some jag-off
teenagers stole my (locked) FJ1100 from the car port. I got it back,
but the object lesson's clear.

Out of sight, out of mind. Sooner or later, it'll be ripped off from
the car port. Might take weeks, months, or (if you're lucky) a year
or two. Guess it depends on the area's demographics/propensity for
that sort of thing. (Seattle's getting worse for thefts, last I
heard, but YMMV.)

Park it in the kitchen or a storage place, as Troy suggested. Spend
the storage fees. Back in NorCal, my buddy with a 900SS and 888
(Ducks, c. 1993) kept both in storage. That was the only logical
option since his garage wasn't secure enough for his tastes.

<lecture>

I seldom leave bikes anywhere unsecured or out of sight these days.
Go to the bike, ride it, return to locked storage, drive home (or
walk, or whatever). Don't leave it at the Mammoth Mart while you run
in for a quart of Ben and Jerry's Chubby Hubby. Don't ride it to the
bar at eleven PM. Don't park on the piers in downtown San Francisco
for the Alcatraz Tour, then act surprised when some scumbag rips it
off.

Alarms don't always work. Chaining it down only slows down thieves;
ask anyone living in Great Britain, land of frequent thefts and few
garages (so it seemed to me, anyway). Sitting on a roof dressed in
black, with a Starlight Scope and Remington BDL .308 Win with
Parkerized action, might work just fine as you pick off thieves some
night. Not good options, though.

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Hope that helps.

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On 22 Jul 2003 09:42:21 -0700, plafontain.DeleteThis@sympatico.ca (Pierre
Lafontaine) wrote:

 >Ah well... at least its an under 500cc bike, that helped insurance
 >alot. The price we pay to ride!

On my 250 and 500 Ninjas I paid $100/year for minimum liability, which
is the minimum they charge.The 500 would have been $76/yr. if added to
my car policy, but they wouldn't do it for some reason. The 750 is
$148/year IIRC. Twice as much for 50% more displacement (and 100% more
horsepower

 >I had a question about the motion detection alarms. I've read that
 >some of them detect movement for a couple of feet around the bike,
 >which I imagine is a boon if you have saddlebags that you want to
 >alarm as well, but how sensitive is it to things in the environment,
 >like moving leaves, or cats and such? Can you scale the alarm down to
 >set off only if the bike is moved?

All of the motion detection alarms I've ever messed with had
adjustable sensitivity so you could keep the cat from setting it off.
Personally I'd want it to go off and scare the hell out of the cat.
Keep the furry little Quisenart the hell off my seats!

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On 22 Jul 2003 14:00:03 -0700, daniel_r_bannon.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (Daniel
Bannon) wrote:

 >garages (so it seemed to me, anyway). Sitting on a roof dressed in
 >black, with a Starlight Scope and Remington BDL .308 Win with
 >Parkerized action, might work just fine as you pick off thieves some
 >night. Not good options, though.

Really wish that was legal. Perhaps a good way to raise some funds for
the government? Sell theiving bastard hunting licenses

I prefer .243, though. Much flatter trajectory and with .17 cal
sabotted FMJs it pretty much liquifies the innards of whatever it
hits. Very good choice in hardware. I loved my 700BDL until some
bastard stole it. One of these days I'll have the cash to pick up a
700BDLSSDM and a McMillan stock. Might give .300 Whisper a try this
time. I considered .30 Short Russian (who else knows exactly what that
is?) so I could share ammo with other rifles, but it doesn't have the
range or impact energy... but it might with sabots... Hmm...

Then there's the company building self-contained thermal weapon sights
that run on D batteries. Truely evil little device.

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In article <3f1e0b7e.23917731 DeleteThis @news.dallas.sbcglobal.net>, Bubba wrote:

 > I prefer .243, though. Much flatter trajectory and with .17 cal
 > sabotted FMJs it pretty much liquifies the innards of whatever it
 > hits. Very good choice in hardware. I loved my 700BDL until some
 > bastard stole it. One of these days I'll have the cash to pick up a
 > 700BDLSSDM and a McMillan stock. Might give .300 Whisper a try this
 > time. I considered .30 Short Russian (who else knows exactly what that
 > is?) so I could share ammo with other rifles, but it doesn't have the
 > range or impact energy... but it might with sabots... Hmm...

Don't give me any ideas. My bike was not in my driveway this afternoon
when I needed to go to work. It was stolen today. I can't understand
why they would pick a high milage bike with the seat worn past the
fabric with the fairings all scratched. My bike was my life. I went
everywhere with it. Every one of the over 54,000 miles was life worth
living. My bike was a part of me. I rode alone, to stay out of
trouble, and to relieve stress. Its like they cut off my feet when they
took my bike.

This is the beginnings of what will happen to the guy if I catch him:

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for taking this from me:

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