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Yep. My dad got fried by this, too.

"Dirt" <christopher.l.cavin.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Does anyone else find it supremely frustrating that Speed continues to
> carry the AMA live when the AMA can't seem to finish a race on
> schedule to save it's life? When was the last time you saw a WSB or
> MotoGP race red flagged? Once again, live coverage of an AMA race
> busts the following TV race schedule due to a red flag. A red flag
> that looked completely unnecessary to me when viewed in the context of
> other series' (WSB, MotoGP) handling of similar situations (***).
> Normally I extend my Tivo recording schedule following live AMA
> coverage anticipating such over runs, but I was out of town this
> weekend and didn't have time or forethought to get to it. The
> result? I miss the last half of the MotoGP race.
>
> Yours in frustration,
>
> -Dirt-
>
> ***: Did anyone else get the feeling that Matt was play-acting for
> effect because he knew they'd throw the red if he hammed it up? He
> sure looked OK on TV in the pits afterwards and sure rode OK on the re-
> start.
>
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:09:50 -0600, Sparky <pannetron.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Blame it on the AMA, not Speed. I'm with you, I'm embarrassed over how poorly
>the AMA manages professional roadracing in the US.
>
>On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:19:00 -0000, Dirt <christopher.l.cavin.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Does anyone else find it supremely frustrating that Speed continues to
>>carry the AMA live when the AMA can't seem to finish a race on
>>schedule to save it's life? When was the last time you saw a WSB or
>>MotoGP race red flagged? Once again, live coverage of an AMA race
>>busts the following TV race schedule due to a red flag. A red flag
>>that looked completely unnecessary to me when viewed in the context of
>>other series' (WSB, MotoGP) handling of similar situations (***).
>>Normally I extend my Tivo recording schedule following live AMA
>>coverage anticipating such over runs, but I was out of town this
>>weekend and didn't have time or forethought to get to it. The
>>result? I miss the last half of the MotoGP race.
>>
>>Yours in frustration,
>>
>>-Dirt-
>>
>>***: Did anyone else get the feeling that Matt was play-acting for
>>effect because he knew they'd throw the red if he hammed it up? He
>>sure looked OK on TV in the pits afterwards and sure rode OK on the re-
>>start.
>--
>Russ Panneton pannetron.RemoveThis@hotmail.com
>Nederland, CO "Too bad ignorance isn't painful"

Didn't Yates pull something similar a few seasons back?
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:19:00 -0000, Dirt
<christopher.l.cavin RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>Does anyone else find it supremely frustrating that Speed continues to
>carry the AMA live when the AMA can't seem to finish a race on
>schedule to save it's life? When was the last time you saw a WSB or
>MotoGP race red flagged? Once again, live coverage of an AMA race
>busts the following TV race schedule due to a red flag. A red flag
>that looked completely unnecessary to me when viewed in the context of
>other series' (WSB, MotoGP) handling of similar situations (***).
>Normally I extend my Tivo recording schedule following live AMA
>coverage anticipating such over runs, but I was out of town this
>weekend and didn't have time or forethought to get to it. The
>result? I miss the last half of the MotoGP race.
>
>Yours in frustration,
>
>-Dirt-
>

I would have been in the same boat if I had recorded it. I had it set
to tape for 2 hrs when the wife called and said she had to work late
and not to bother meeting her for dinner. I turned the VCR off and
watched it instead, or I would also have missed half the MGP race.
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On 25-Jun-2007, sturd <mikesturdevant127.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Dirt is frustrated:
>
> > Yours in frustration,
> >
> > -Dirt-
> >
> > ***: Did anyone else get the feeling that Matt was play-acting for
> > effect because he knew they'd throw the red if he hammed it up? He
> > sure looked OK on TV in the pits afterwards and sure rode OK on the re-
> > start.
>
> Yea, no joke. First he looks like he's got a broken femur, then
> seconds later he's jogging back to the pits. Not quite on the
> level of throwing himself back onto the track but for sure good
> acting.
>
>
> Go fast. Take chances.
> Mike S.

Definitely could have been a bit of an acting job, didn't measure up to
Yates laying down on the track at Virginia a few years ago though!<Grin>

The red flags are mainly controlled by the cornerworkers in AMA racing,
most of the groups are SCCA/car racing workers and are more likely to throw
a red flag to take care of an incident.

The AMA can ask for a red flag, but over 90% of them are called by the
workers.
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Ron.DeleteThis@Somewhere.com wrote:
> Definitely could have been a bit of an acting job, didn't measure up to
> Yates laying down on the track at Virginia a few years ago though!<Grin>

Nope, it wasn't that bad but he got what he wanted and was able to
re-enter the race and get back some good points. Golden Globe performance.

> The red flags are mainly controlled by the cornerworkers in AMA racing,
> most of the groups are SCCA/car racing workers and are more likely to throw
> a red flag to take care of an incident.
>
> The AMA can ask for a red flag, but over 90% of them are called by the
> workers.

That depends on the track, there are quite a few tracks where the
cornerworkers from the local amateur roadracing club supplies the
cornerworkers. I know that's true at both Laguna Seca and Sears Pt. At
those events, race control consists of the local usual crew from the
club as well as a representative(s) from the sanctioning body, whether
it's the AMA of FIM. Depending on the event. The communicators/workers
at those events have had it drilled in their heads that they must ask to
have the session/race stopped. Don't say "I need a red flag", that keeps
another turn that may only have heard the "red flag" part and thrown a
red flag at the corner, inadvertently. "Red Flag" term is only said by
Race Control.

There are well in excess of 300 cornerworkers for the GP at Laguna. Most
from the US and Canada but also from quite a few other countries. Last
year there more than 30 flag stations around the track. The flaggers are
all on portable radios with race control so that the flaggers know to
have the appropriate flags to have displayed. The radio communication
also helps with displaying blue flags for passing.
--
Mick aka MotoMania
motomick at sbcgobal dot net

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in a pretty and well preserved body -- but rather to skid in
broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
-- WOW, WHAT A RIDE!!" - Author : Unknown
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On 25-Jun-2007, Mick <motomickNOSPAM DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:

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> Ron DeleteThis @Somewhere.com wrote:
> > Definitely could have been a bit of an acting job, didn't measure up to
> > Yates laying down on the track at Virginia a few years ago
> > though!<Grin>
>
> Nope, it wasn't that bad but he got what he wanted and was able to
> re-enter the race and get back some good points. Golden Globe performance.
>
> > The red flags are mainly controlled by the cornerworkers in AMA racing,
> > most of the groups are SCCA/car racing workers and are more likely to
> > throw
> > a red flag to take care of an incident.
> >
> > The AMA can ask for a red flag, but over 90% of them are called by the
> > workers.
>
> That depends on the track, there are quite a few tracks where the
> cornerworkers from the local amateur roadracing club supplies the
> cornerworkers. I know that's true at both Laguna Seca and Sears Pt. At
> those events, race control consists of the local usual crew from the
> club as well as a representative(s) from the sanctioning body, whether
> it's the AMA of FIM. Depending on the event. The communicators/workers
> at those events have had it drilled in their heads that they must ask to
> have the session/race stopped. Don't say "I need a red flag", that keeps
> another turn that may only have heard the "red flag" part and thrown a
> red flag at the corner, inadvertently. "Red Flag" term is only said by
> Race Control.
>
> There are well in excess of 300 cornerworkers for the GP at Laguna. Most
> from the US and Canada but also from quite a few other countries. Last
> year there more than 30 flag stations around the track. The flaggers are
> all on portable radios with race control so that the flaggers know to
> have the appropriate flags to have displayed. The radio communication
> also helps with displaying blue flags for passing.
> --
> Mick aka MotoMania
> motomick at sbcgobal dot net

I worked one of the 500cc GP's eons ago at Laguna, the communicators were
usually the older members, and they communicated with control but would not
tell anyone on the corner what was going on. Communications weren't the
best in those days!<G>

They ask their control for a red flag, but AMA figures if they need a red
flag to do their job, they (control and other workers) do it.
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Ron.DeleteThis@Somewhere.com wrote:
> I worked one of the 500cc GP's eons ago at Laguna, the communicators were
> usually the older members, and they communicated with control but would not
> tell anyone on the corner what was going on. Communications weren't the
> best in those days!<G>

Agreed that things were quite different back then. At that time they
didn't require a flag station every few hundred feet and also didn't
require so many handlers on hand so that when they respond there is too
many people on the track and it can be more dangerous overall then
letting a few workers get bikes and debris off the track/runoff area. If
you worked any of the GP events from 89 on then I'm sure we've met/seen
each other before. I've been working all the bike races at Laguna (and
many other tracks) since '89.


> They ask their control for a red flag, but AMA figures if they need a red
> flag to do their job, they (control and other workers) do it.

Things are much different now then they were 15-20 years ago, especially
when it comes to GP practices/races. The TV cameras are always going and
that allows race control to view the track from many angles. That also
allows race control to assess the incidents and make decisions on
possible red flag situations.

3 more weeks and I'll be headed to Laguna Seca to help put on this great
event, I can't wait.
--
Mick aka MotoMania
motomick at sbcgobal dot net

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in a pretty and well preserved body -- but rather to skid in
broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
-- WOW, WHAT A RIDE!!" - Author : Unknown
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