92 yamaha seca 2 problems

On 11 Oct 2005 15:37:31 -0400, cpilotpt wrote:

> purchased 92 seca 2 a few weeks ago.
> Ran fine at first but bogged down and wont re-start. When i try, just
> get clicking like battery is dead. had a problem with the battery
> holding a charge. Bike wont even run on choke.
> turns over fine.. just wont run anymore.
>
> Checked carbs- all clean
> Changed spark plugs
> Charged battery
> Re- filled oil and fuel after emptying
>
> What do i try next??
> Should i try a new battery?
>
> Help!!

unfortunately, and i realize this will be of no help to you, and will
almost certainly get me flamed by someone who has a yamaha whisch has never
given them a moments trouble, you bought a yamaha, a mistake i also made a
while ago because a friend convinced me that they had finally gotten their
s__t together.

i was (possibly) less fortunate than you because i bought a new bike,
actually, with the cost of the last repairs, almost 2 new bikes.

for any who may be interested, i have ridden and/or owned a considerable
number of bikes from different manufacturers, starting, many, many, years
ago in my home country with british models.

since then i can state, without, as the saying goes, fear of contradiction,
that yamaha make the most unreliable motorcycles of any manufacturer.

you can be sure that if you own a yamaha, apart from the more than average
maintenence costs, at some time in the life of the unit you can expect a
HUGE repair bill.

in fact, i would say that repair costs during the life of yamaha
motorcycles would be more than those of the next 5, combined.
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 05:11:24 GMT, zappafan wrote:

> Mi Tasol wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:43:12 -0500, cj wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Then why are you on this board?
>>
>>
>> after my last catastrophe i thought i would check some of the ng's to see
>> if my episode was still commonplace,
>
>
>>and it appears there definitely has been no change.
>>
>
> Based on what? I know bikers who hate Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Harley,
> Yamaha, and just about any other brand. If I listen to all of them,
> what's left for me to ride? You had a bad experience. Don't judge any
> manufacturer of millions of bikes by the ONE you bought.
>
> My yamaha starts every time I push the starter button. I've never had
> any type of vehicle this predictable and reliable.
>
> bc

as i said, i expected to get flamed.

i doubt whether all who have been stuck with HUGE repair bills for fixing
defective yamaha transmissions, going right back to the 1st ventures in the
early 1980's which had transmissions which were guaranteed to fail, a
failure rate of 100% i believe, would agree with you, but you too are
entitled to your own opinion.
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:44:10 GMT, e wrote:

> In article <141jpeyi1ateq.5w4y0d22hrn6$.dlg@40tude.net>, Mi Tasol <Mi_Tasol RemoveThis @png.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 05:11:24 GMT, zappafan wrote:
>>
>>> Mi Tasol wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:43:12 -0500, cj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Then why are you on this board?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> after my last catastrophe i thought i would check some of the ng's to see
>>>> if my episode was still commonplace,
>>>
>>>
>>>>and it appears there definitely has been no change.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Based on what? I know bikers who hate Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Harley,
>>> Yamaha, and just about any other brand. If I listen to all of them,
>>> what's left for me to ride? You had a bad experience. Don't judge any
>>> manufacturer of millions of bikes by the ONE you bought.
>>>
>>> My yamaha starts every time I push the starter button. I've never had
>>> any type of vehicle this predictable and reliable.
>>>
>>> bc
>>
>>as i said, i expected to get flamed.
>>
>>i doubt whether all who have been stuck with HUGE repair bills for fixing
>>defective yamaha transmissions, going right back to the 1st ventures in the
>>early 1980's which had transmissions which were guaranteed to fail, a
>>failure rate of 100% i believe, would agree with you, but you too are
>>entitled to your own opinion.
>
> i don't believe the 100%, it isn't a statistic likely. you
> have an axe o grind. why not post all your correspondance
> and paperwork from yamaha?
> empirical proof convinces me, not hesay.

unfortunately, 100% is a statistic, which is, unfortunately for yamaha,
100% correct.

there is a website www.ventureriders.org (i think) and i suspect someone
there could verify this.
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:44:10 GMT, e wrote:

> In article <141jpeyi1ateq.5w4y0d22hrn6$.dlg@40tude.net>, Mi Tasol <Mi_Tasol RemoveThis @png.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 05:11:24 GMT, zappafan wrote:
>>
>>> Mi Tasol wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:43:12 -0500, cj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Then why are you on this board?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> after my last catastrophe i thought i would check some of the ng's to see
>>>> if my episode was still commonplace,
>>>
>>>
>>>>and it appears there definitely has been no change.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Based on what? I know bikers who hate Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Harley,
>>> Yamaha, and just about any other brand. If I listen to all of them,
>>> what's left for me to ride? You had a bad experience. Don't judge any
>>> manufacturer of millions of bikes by the ONE you bought.
>>>
>>> My yamaha starts every time I push the starter button. I've never had
>>> any type of vehicle this predictable and reliable.
>>>
>>> bc
>>
>>as i said, i expected to get flamed.
>>
>>i doubt whether all who have been stuck with HUGE repair bills for fixing
>>defective yamaha transmissions, going right back to the 1st ventures in the
>>early 1980's which had transmissions which were guaranteed to fail, a
>>failure rate of 100% i believe, would agree with you, but you too are
>>entitled to your own opinion.
>
> i don't believe the 100%, it isn't a statistic likely. you
> have an axe o grind. why not post all your correspondance
> and paperwork from yamaha?
> empirical proof convinces me, not hesay.

i should clarify something regarding my statement, that being that the 100%
failure on the 1st ventures applied to all the 1983 and 1984 models, plus
up to # 1413 of the 1985's, at which time yamaha quietly corrected the
problem but did not notify anyone officially until the warranty period on
all units affected had expired.
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zappafan wrote:
>
> My yamaha starts every time I push the starter button. I've never had
> any type of vehicle this predictable and reliable.

That's been my experience, as well. I've been riding bikes for almost 40
years, and the three most reliable (and fun!) have been my Maxim-X, my R6,
and my FJR. Yamahas all.

I'm really sorry for anyone who has problems with *any* bike, but his
experience sure differs from mine.
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:05:43 -0700, Jerry Houston wrote:

> zappafan wrote:
>>
>> My yamaha starts every time I push the starter button. I've never had
>> any type of vehicle this predictable and reliable.
>
> That's been my experience, as well. I've been riding bikes for almost 40
> years, and the three most reliable (and fun!) have been my Maxim-X, my R6,
> and my FJR. Yamahas all.
>
> I'm really sorry for anyone who has problems with *any* bike, but his
> experience sure differs from mine.

others unfortunately are not so lucky. the following is taken from the
website i mentioned under the heading - AAAARRRGGHHHH..Still wont start.

OK, gonna run through this again. Opinions Please.

This started with a bad starter. got that fixed.
I was going to start the bike to to dry it after rita rained on it. not
directly as it was under part of my porch, but it blew in. and it didn't
soak it.

it turns over fairly well.

disconnected black/white wire from the harness.

It fires on cyls 1, 2, & 3. not on #4.

The pulse coils check good at 112-113 ohms through the harness.
Coil packs primary windings check good through the harness and the
secondary winding on the #4 coil checks good.

The TCI to coil outputs are at 12Vdc with ign.switch on (turning the motor
over seems to lower the voltage on 1, 2& 3. not 4 ; but hard to hold the
probes and turn over the motor.)

Put dielectric grease on all harness plugs.

put in new spark plugs

checked fuel supply, looks good. drained carbs 1 and 2, fuel looked good.

It will not start, it turns over and will spit and sputter sometimes.
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Well, since my 05 RSTD comes with a factory 5 year unlimited mileage
warranty, I for one am not worried about it. Yamaha must feel pretty
comfortable with they quality of their bikes to offer such a warranty.


"Mi Tasol" <Mi_Tasol.DeleteThis@png.net> wrote in message
news:141jpeyi1ateq.5w4y0d22hrn6$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 05:11:24 GMT, zappafan wrote:
>
>> Mi Tasol wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:43:12 -0500, cj wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Then why are you on this board?
>>>
>>>
>>> after my last catastrophe i thought i would check some of the ng's to
>>> see
>>> if my episode was still commonplace,
>>
>>
>>>and it appears there definitely has been no change.
>>>
>>
>> Based on what? I know bikers who hate Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Harley,
>> Yamaha, and just about any other brand. If I listen to all of them,
>> what's left for me to ride? You had a bad experience. Don't judge any
>> manufacturer of millions of bikes by the ONE you bought.
>>
>> My yamaha starts every time I push the starter button. I've never had
>> any type of vehicle this predictable and reliable.
>>
>> bc
>
> as i said, i expected to get flamed.
>
> i doubt whether all who have been stuck with HUGE repair bills for fixing
> defective yamaha transmissions, going right back to the 1st ventures in
> the
> early 1980's which had transmissions which were guaranteed to fail, a
> failure rate of 100% i believe, would agree with you, but you too are
> entitled to your own opinion.
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I sent nice close up photo's of the totally _unmachined_ gears I bought NEW
from Yamaha which are obviously faulty to Yamaha themselves, asking what
they could/should do, and the nice snotty reply I got was:

"Did I not send information saying if the gears dogs are undercut (as is
done often on racing transmissions) the shift quality is reduced to
unaceptable (for most customers) levels. If the transmission is shifted
carefully and the engine power is applied in a reasonable fashion, the gear
will not fail and life expectancy of the gear is good. If the shift is not
properly completed and the power is reapplied harshly, it is very possible
to damage the gear.
There are a good number of machine shops in Canada that can undercut the
dogs if the riding action is anticipated."

Niiiice reply guys.

Guess they don't realize that every damn FJ sold had tranny failures in the
exact same place after a couple thousand K's. Hmph. Guess EVERYONE drag
races, rides harshly, or whatever they want to call it.


>> Not sure who said:
>> i doubt whether all who have been stuck with HUGE repair bills for fixing
>> defective yamaha transmissions, going right back to the 1st ventures in
>> the
>> early 1980's which had transmissions which were guaranteed to fail, a
>> failure rate of 100% i believe, would agree with you, but you too are
>> entitled to your own opinion.
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Why dont you directly connect the battery to the output of the solenoid?

I had the same probelm and found that the solenoid connections under the
seat panel on the left side had become water logged and corroded. A bit of
sandpaper and Ive never had a problem since.


"Mi Tasol" <Mi_Tasol.TakeThisOut@png.net> wrote in message
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> On 11 Oct 2005 15:37:31 -0400, cpilotpt wrote:
>
>> purchased 92 seca 2 a few weeks ago.
>> Ran fine at first but bogged down and wont re-start. When i try, just
>> get clicking like battery is dead. had a problem with the battery
>> holding a charge. Bike wont even run on choke.
>> turns over fine.. just wont run anymore.
>>
>> Checked carbs- all clean
>> Changed spark plugs
>> Charged battery
>> Re- filled oil and fuel after emptying
>>
>> What do i try next??
>> Should i try a new battery?
>>
>> Help!!
>
> unfortunately, and i realize this will be of no help to you, and will
> almost certainly get me flamed by someone who has a yamaha whisch has
> never
> given them a moments trouble, you bought a yamaha, a mistake i also made a
> while ago because a friend convinced me that they had finally gotten their
> s__t together.
>
> i was (possibly) less fortunate than you because i bought a new bike,
> actually, with the cost of the last repairs, almost 2 new bikes.
>
> for any who may be interested, i have ridden and/or owned a considerable
> number of bikes from different manufacturers, starting, many, many, years
> ago in my home country with british models.
>
> since then i can state, without, as the saying goes, fear of
> contradiction,
> that yamaha make the most unreliable motorcycles of any manufacturer.
>
> you can be sure that if you own a yamaha, apart from the more than average
> maintenence costs, at some time in the life of the unit you can expect a
> HUGE repair bill.
>
> in fact, i would say that repair costs during the life of yamaha
> motorcycles would be more than those of the next 5, combined.
 >> Stay informed about: 92 yamaha seca 2 problems