500 miles today

>Now my Dad has made up for the lack of street miles I have been
> putting on. He started riding in 1953 and is still riding today.

Maybe he should post rather than you, seeing as how he actually RIDES
sometimes?
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>>> Pretty harsh statement there Steve since I don't BS.
>>
>>Sure you do Mike, otherwise we wouldn't have some AMS CLASSICS!! credited
>>to
>>you. "Faster than a Busa" is interesting, my favorite is "handles like a
>>TZ250!!" , now its "70% front weight bias!"
>>
>>Might not be BS, but that could be bad if you actually BELIEVE some of the
>>stuff you say.
>
> Mr. Kettle meet Mr. Black. Seriously Troy you of all people passing
> judgments on truths in here Mr. My wife's mini van is faster than a
> Mustang GT.

And your memory is terrible. I said my wife's mini-van makes more power than
her last Mustang GT....I didn't say anything about how fast it was. And I
wasn't passing judgement, just commenting on the irony of YOU saying you
don't BS when we have several AMS classics generated by Mr No BS himself.


>>
>>>Maybe I was
>>> misinformed. I was told many years ago (Most likely long before you
>>> got your first Buell) the weight of Buells was more toward the front
>>> end as it would help in terms of control and handling. I was told 70%.
>>> I guess a street bike with a light front end is a bad idea. This is
>>> why my rear brake is basically useless.
>>
>>> Please tell me what the
>>> weight distribution numbers of the Buell are instead of throwing
>>> around insults.
>>
>>50/50 is close to what lots of bikes shoot for. Give or take. Which is why
>>70% seemed so extreme.
>
> Well maybe Steve can answer the question or I will just have to ask
> Mr. Buell when I run into him again.

Ask him why he wasn't listening nearly a decade ago when I said he should
have shoehorned in a decent TL1000 motor to his bikes....what took him so
long? Ask...I'm curious.
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on 9/7/07 2:53 PM, Michael Fell wrote:

> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:34:21 -0700, Jamin <notme.RemoveThis@notmymail.com> wrote:
>
>> on 9/5/07 3:16 PM, Michael Fell wrote:
>>
>>> I am closing in on 15k. Let the ridculing begin. Those are quality
>>> miles though. Basically no commuting mileage. Street riding is just
>>> not that fun too me. I grew up riding MX bikes and nothing I do on the
>>> street comes close to soaring through the air on a 196 lb MX bike.
>>
>> Wait a sec... do you mean 15k total street miles for you as a rider? Or 15k
>> miles on your current bike? Or both?
>
> That is about it for me for the street although growing up I rode MX
> bikes for years. I did do a few street miles with the dirt bike though
> as the cops were chasing me on the way to the trails. The dirt
> biking experience helped a great deal though. From about 1974 to 87 I
> had an MX bike. Motocross was huge in my neck of the woods growing up.
> If I enjoyed riding more on the street I could have racked up a few
> thousand more miles. When you are accustomed to 196 lb bikes that
> feel like a Bicycle with very good suspension and lots of power a
> street bike feels cumbersome in comparison. Even a brand new Gixxer
> 600 feels heavy and bulky to me. Take into account the moronic cagers
> and other obstacles on the road and it makes the experience even less
> enjoyable for me. I am sure i would enjoy a track day as much as the
> next guy but as i stated for the cost of a track day there could be a
> CR 125 or 250 in my possesion and when it comes to fun on a motorcycle
> IMO nothing comapares to getting some serious air on a dirt bike or
> powering out of a berm with the front tire coming up off the ground in
> the first three or four gears. I bet if you got a good dirt bike and
> found some great trails to ride on you would sell your overweight
> R1. Now my Dad has made up for the lack of street miles I have been
> putting on. He started riding in 1953 and is still riding today.

Your dad sounds like the kind of guy I want to be in another 40+ years.

I doubt I'd give up the R1 for a dirt bike. Maybe if you tried my R1, you'd
want to give up your overweight, underpowered Buell!

I probably would like a dirt bike though. It's something I have in the back
of my mind for "later", whenever that is.

I added up some past and current bike mileage a little while ago, and came
up with a total somewhere around 150k miles. Just turned 36k miles on this
R1 earlier this summer (2002 model). I used to put over 10k miles on per
year but for the past few years it's been closer to half that. They've been
good miles, though. Interstate road trips, weekend rides, etc. Minimal
commuting.

--
Jamin
"Freedom costs a buck-oh-five"
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On Sep 5, 6:16 pm, Michael Fell <mfell2... RemoveThis @REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

> I am closing in on 15k. Let the ridculing begin. Those are quality
> miles though. Basically no commuting mileage.

Well, you do vote Republican. I guess being that you're afraid of
Muslims, Mexicans, Blacks, Jews, Gays, and the US Constitution and
find the need to pack 24/7 just in case some crazy cracker in the
neighborhood acts up and scares ya too, it doesn't come as much of a
shock that you're afraid to ride in traffic too.
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:06:44 -0600, "TroytheTroll" <f4_boy DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>>>> Pretty harsh statement there Steve since I don't BS.
>>>
>>>Sure you do Mike, otherwise we wouldn't have some AMS CLASSICS!! credited
>>>to
>>>you. "Faster than a Busa" is interesting, my favorite is "handles like a
>>>TZ250!!" , now its "70% front weight bias!"
>>>
>>>Might not be BS, but that could be bad if you actually BELIEVE some of the
>>>stuff you say.
>>
>> Mr. Kettle meet Mr. Black. Seriously Troy you of all people passing
>> judgments on truths in here Mr. My wife's mini van is faster than a
>> Mustang GT.
>
>And your memory is terrible. I said my wife's mini-van makes more power than
>her last Mustang GT....I didn't say anything about how fast it was. And I
>wasn't passing judgement, just commenting on the irony of YOU saying you
>don't BS when we have several AMS classics generated by Mr No BS himself.

Well google them up than and post them here.


>
>
>>>
>>>>Maybe I was
>>>> misinformed. I was told many years ago (Most likely long before you
>>>> got your first Buell) the weight of Buells was more toward the front
>>>> end as it would help in terms of control and handling. I was told 70%.
>>>> I guess a street bike with a light front end is a bad idea. This is
>>>> why my rear brake is basically useless.
>>>
>>>> Please tell me what the
>>>> weight distribution numbers of the Buell are instead of throwing
>>>> around insults.
>>>
>>>50/50 is close to what lots of bikes shoot for. Give or take. Which is why
>>>70% seemed so extreme.
>>
>> Well maybe Steve can answer the question or I will just have to ask
>> Mr. Buell when I run into him again.
>
>Ask him why he wasn't listening nearly a decade ago when I said he should
>have shoehorned in a decent TL1000 motor to his bikes....what took him so
>long? Ask...I'm curious.


I am glad he didn't listen to you. Hes running the superior Rotax
motor instead. That all said have you placed an order on the new Buell
yet? Seems to me it delivers in all the things you have spoke about
in here in a motorcycle. More than enough power,great brakes and
suspension and the typical great Buell handling. The price is not so
bad either. Lets us know when you pick it up.
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>>> Mr. Kettle meet Mr. Black. Seriously Troy you of all people passing
>>> judgments on truths in here Mr. My wife's mini van is faster than a
>>> Mustang GT.
>>
>>And your memory is terrible. I said my wife's mini-van makes more power
>>than
>>her last Mustang GT....I didn't say anything about how fast it was. And I
>>wasn't passing judgement, just commenting on the irony of YOU saying you
>>don't BS when we have several AMS classics generated by Mr No BS himself.
>
> Well google them up than and post them here.

I don't have to, like I said, they are classics, if I remembered them wrong
I'm sure some others will correct me.



>>> Well maybe Steve can answer the question or I will just have to ask
>>> Mr. Buell when I run into him again.
>>
>>Ask him why he wasn't listening nearly a decade ago when I said he should
>>have shoehorned in a decent TL1000 motor to his bikes....what took him so
>>long? Ask...I'm curious.
>
>
> I am glad he didn't listen to you.

He did. He just didn't choose the easy way, went and wangled something up
EXACTLY like I said he needed. Maybe he reads AMS?


>Hes running the superior Rotax
> motor instead.

Yeah...a DECADE after Suzuki did their street bike AND their racebike. And
Honda won an AMA Championship with a literbike twin. Gee....how ORIGINAL!!
Like I said, what took him so long? All the rest of us KNEW it needed
done....


>That all said have you placed an order on the new Buell
> yet?

I'm quite happy with my sportbike right now....don't really need another
until I go back to lots of trackdays on a big track. Maybe next year,
assuming Buell passes the test of being at least as good as its competition
and not needing to compete in another universe to make things even enough
that it only loses by the odd half lap or so.


>Seems to me it delivers in all the things you have spoke about
> in here in a motorcycle. More than enough power,great brakes and
> suspension and the typical great Buell handling. The price is not so
> bad either. Lets us know when you pick it up.

We don't know how much power it makes yet, other than "more than the old
lump", we don't know how much it weighs yet, other than "more than a
obsolete Suzuki 750 making 120+ RWHP", we know people like the brakes but I
haven't noticed anyone using their new fangled technology to outbrake Aaron
Yates yet, and I guess we don't even know anything about the handling other
than at least Erik considers this one a sportbike and not some other BS
category in an effort to NOT get compared to comparable hardware.

Having said that, this is at least apparently a sportbike. One of the first
Eriks' ever made I guess. Good deal. Now lets get on with the real world
testing, real world racing, and see what happens.
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On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:25:22 -0600, "TroytheTroll" <f4_boy RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>>>> Mr. Kettle meet Mr. Black. Seriously Troy you of all people passing
>>>> judgments on truths in here Mr. My wife's mini van is faster than a
>>>> Mustang GT.
>>>
>>>And your memory is terrible. I said my wife's mini-van makes more power
>>>than
>>>her last Mustang GT....I didn't say anything about how fast it was. And I
>>>wasn't passing judgement, just commenting on the irony of YOU saying you
>>>don't BS when we have several AMS classics generated by Mr No BS himself.
>>
>> Well google them up than and post them here.
>
>I don't have to, like I said, they are classics, if I remembered them wrong
>I'm sure some others will correct me.

Yes you do because it is a story you conjured up. Prove me wrong. If
they actually exist I will be made the fool.
>
>
>
>>>> Well maybe Steve can answer the question or I will just have to ask
>>>> Mr. Buell when I run into him again.
>>>
>>>Ask him why he wasn't listening nearly a decade ago when I said he should
>>>have shoehorned in a decent TL1000 motor to his bikes....what took him so
>>>long? Ask...I'm curious.
>>
>>
>> I am glad he didn't listen to you.
>
>He did. He just didn't choose the easy way, went and wangled something up
>EXACTLY like I said he needed. Maybe he reads AMS?

The guy was racing bikes when you were in High school and had a full
blown race bike in 1990.

>
>
>>Hes running the superior Rotax
>> motor instead.
>
>Yeah...a DECADE after Suzuki did their street bike AND their racebike. And
>Honda won an AMA Championship with a literbike twin. Gee....how ORIGINAL!!

How original? Since when did you start caring about originality? The
Japanese are the copy cats. Maybe someday Honda will win as many
races as moto Guzzi.


>Like I said, what took him so long? All the rest of us KNEW it needed
>done....

If you say so.


>
>
>>That all said have you placed an order on the new Buell
>> yet?
>
>I'm quite happy with my sportbike right now....don't really need another
>until I go back to lots of trackdays on a big track. Maybe next year,
>assuming Buell passes the test of being at least as good as its competition
>and not needing to compete in another universe to make things even enough
>that it only loses by the odd half lap or so.

Yea right. The bike cost more than 4K so it is out of your price
range.
>
>
>>Seems to me it delivers in all the things you have spoke about
>> in here in a motorcycle. More than enough power,great brakes and
>> suspension and the typical great Buell handling. The price is not so
>> bad either. Lets us know when you pick it up.
>
>We don't know how much power it makes yet,

I am sure most of us have a good idea. Four valve,water cooled 1150 CC
lightweight vtwin. My guess is as much as the Aprillia.

>other than "more than the old
>lump", we don't know how much it weighs yet, other than "more than a
>obsolete Suzuki 750 making 120+ RWHP", we know people like the brakes but I
>haven't noticed anyone using their new fangled technology to outbrake Aaron
>Yates yet, and I guess we don't even know anything about the handling

Maybe you don't know about the handling but Buell has been running
this chassis for quite sometime on the race track. Not too mention
this chassis has been in use since 2003 on the street bikes as well.

> other
>than at least Erik considers this one a sportbike and not some other BS
>category in an effort to NOT get compared to comparable hardware.
>
>Having said that, this is at least apparently a sportbike.

You think so? Erik Buell being a former racer himself owns a
motorcycle company so yes this could be a sport bike.


> One of the first
>Eriks' ever made I guess. Good deal. Now lets get on with the real world
>testing, real world racing, and see what happens.

Why? Go take it for a test ride and see how YOU like it.
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>>> Well google them up than and post them here.
>>
>>I don't have to, like I said, they are classics, if I remembered them
>>wrong
>>I'm sure some others will correct me.
>
> Yes you do because it is a story you conjured up. Prove me wrong. If
> they actually exist I will be made the fool.

That point isn't in question Mike.



> The guy was racing bikes when you were in High school and had a full
> blown race bike in 1990.

Excellent. And he finally made a move to fix the biggest issue with his
bikes. An issue, which I remind you, some of us were advocating YEARS ago.
WE already knew what the problem was...it took Erik longer to figure it out
apparently.


>>>Hes running the superior Rotax
>>> motor instead.
>>
>>Yeah...a DECADE after Suzuki did their street bike AND their racebike. And
>>Honda won an AMA Championship with a literbike twin. Gee....how ORIGINAL!!
>
> How original? Since when did you start caring about originality? The
> Japanese are the copy cats. Maybe someday Honda will win as many
> races as moto Guzzi.

Maybe someday Moto Guzzi will have some modern hardware and duke it out with
Buell in the club racing scene while avoiding matching up against the big
boys? You know....out of fear that what happened to Hardley will happen to
them?


>
>>Like I said, what took him so long? All the rest of us KNEW it needed
>>done....
>
> If you say so.

Its a fact. Google it up if you don't believe me.



>>>That all said have you placed an order on the new Buell
>>> yet?
>>
>>I'm quite happy with my sportbike right now....don't really need another
>>until I go back to lots of trackdays on a big track. Maybe next year,
>>assuming Buell passes the test of being at least as good as its
>>competition
>>and not needing to compete in another universe to make things even enough
>>that it only loses by the odd half lap or so.
>
> Yea right. The bike cost more than 4K so it is out of your price
> range.

What are you talking about? I spent more than that just TODAY. Geez Mike,
keep up with the times, maybe get out and ride or something.


>>
>>>Seems to me it delivers in all the things you have spoke about
>>> in here in a motorcycle. More than enough power,great brakes and
>>> suspension and the typical great Buell handling. The price is not so
>>> bad either. Lets us know when you pick it up.
>>
>>We don't know how much power it makes yet,
>
> I am sure most of us have a good idea. Four valve,water cooled 1150 CC
> lightweight vtwin. My guess is as much as the Aprillia.

Could be. As soon as Steve runs into a dyno comparison of one sort or
another we'll know. I'm hoping for the best myself. Say...at least as much
as the near decade old TL1000R? Which is smaller, and old....


>
>>other than "more than the old
>>lump", we don't know how much it weighs yet, other than "more than a
>>obsolete Suzuki 750 making 120+ RWHP", we know people like the brakes but
>>I
>>haven't noticed anyone using their new fangled technology to outbrake
>>Aaron
>>Yates yet, and I guess we don't even know anything about the handling
>
> Maybe you don't know about the handling but Buell has been running
> this chassis for quite sometime on the race track. Not too mention
> this chassis has been in use since 2003 on the street bikes as well.

Well, if Buells chassis and a 100% displacement advantage were worth squat,
I wouldn't have to point out how well REAL vtwins like the little Duck do in
Formula Extreme and how Buell basically disappeared from the class after
getting embarassed last year. Maybe because they couldn't get the little
600's to tow trailers behind them to even up the field even more?

I do have better hopes for this new model. But we'll see.


>
>> other
>>than at least Erik considers this one a sportbike and not some other BS
>>category in an effort to NOT get compared to comparable hardware.
>>
>>Having said that, this is at least apparently a sportbike.
>
> You think so? Erik Buell being a former racer himself owns a
> motorcycle company so yes this could be a sport bike.
>

Could be. Everyone is calling it one. It looks like one. I'll give it a
chance, and see how it does.


>
>> One of the first
>>Eriks' ever made I guess. Good deal. Now lets get on with the real world
>>testing, real world racing, and see what happens.
>
> Why? Go take it for a test ride and see how YOU like it.

I can get at least 75% of the basic info I need for a purchase off a spec
sheet, and the rags voting for Top Ten motorcycles in the country, various
columnists,websites, etc etc. My guess is, I might like it. But that doesn't
do me much good when I already have a good sportbike around. Until a big
track opens nearby, or I take up trackdays in quantity again.
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