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On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:39:45 -0800, "Inlaw Biker"
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 >Most race-reps never see the track. They're sold mainly for the "look at
 >me" factor on the street. For a trackbike though I'd say the 750 is the
 >poop. (That means it's good.)
 >
 >There are a precious few number of people who can handle a 600 supersport on
 >the track to full potential. I do track days with decent WMRRA racers on
 >their literbikes, and their laptimes are well below the top 600 racers'.

Who cares? Ever heard of a 2nd gear liter race rep that mimics an
automatic CV transmission pretty damn close?

On the track, same thing....or no shifting except maybe to third down
the long straights. As soon as you leave pit row get er' out of 1st
gear and stay out.


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I saw an AMA race final, on tv where one of the riders elected to race the
750 instead of the 1000, due to tire wear..and other intrensic racing
factors. He got the holeshot, but once he was passed, he didn't have the
power to catch up.

Corner after corner, the 1000's would blast out giving themselves .003
seconds advantage every time.

When it comes to racing, it really depends upon the bike and the track. I
guess if we were all to race the lolipop testing loop at the Cal DMV,
neither the Gixxer 750 nor the 1000 would be the bike to own, it would be
one of those 400 buck pocket bikes.

I'd love to have a Gixxer 750. Maybe at the end of the year a few will be
on sale. I know the local dealer has had a few 04's sitting on his floor
for awhile, cuz they are too much money. They get into the "you might as
well get the 1000 for that price" sale.



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   >>> That makes sense, but I've been hearing the same thing for at least
   >>> five or six years. It usually goes something like "the 600's are
   >>> making almost as much power as the 750's, and the liter-bikes are
   >>> getting to be almost as lightweight as the 750's, so what do we need
   >>> 750's for anyway?"
   >>>
   >>> There must be SOME reason, but it escapes me at the moment.
  >>
  >> My 750 does quite well against both 600's and literbikes. Without the
  >> obvious pain in the neck issues of either.
 >
 > Most race-reps never see the track. They're sold mainly for the "look at
 > me" factor on the street. For a trackbike though I'd say the 750 is the
 > poop. (That means it's good.)
 >
 > There are a precious few number of people who can handle a 600 supersport
 > on the track to full potential. I do track days with decent WMRRA racers
 > on their literbikes, and their laptimes are well below the top 600
 > racers'.
 >
 > It's all about what's the most fun for me.
 >
 > --
 > Greg Sumner
 > Seattle WA
 > '03 CBR 600RR
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 > I'd love to have a Gixxer 750. Maybe at the end of the year a few will be
 > on sale. I know the local dealer has had a few 04's sitting on his floor
 > for awhile, cuz they are too much money. They get into the "you might as
 > well get the 1000 for that price" sale.

Thats the bummer, ain't it? I got mine, 2 years old, 800 miles on the clock,
for $6000. Shawn picked up a 1000, same year I think, $6800, with something
like 1.5K or 2.5K on it.

We took them both to the track immediately of course, him having sworn the
1000 would never see the track ( silly rabbit ), and there are differences,
and DAMN is it mostly about the motor. The 750 turns better, vibrates less,
feels lighter even though it isn't by much....but that engine...DAMN does
that thing go...the difference is night and day on the street...at the track
with everything spinning hard, it masks the difference a little, beyond the
1000 not really requiring much shifting....

Hopefully we're going to have to take them out again, the R1, 600, 750 and
1000 and run them all over again at Pueblo, because its dragstrip front
straight makes it alot easier to do speed comparisons up through about
140...and I REALLY want to see how the 750 performs now thats its geared a
little better for track work.

The 750 is quite a trackbike....mid range a 600 doesn't have, but a
SCREAMING top end like a 600 only with a bike bikes ferocity, weighs less
and turns better than the big bikes, absolutely fantastic gearbox on the
750's, one of the best I've ever used, doesn't have the mondo torque of a
1000 so you don't have as much trepidation getting throttle open while still
banked over, that has to be one of the real advantages of the size, with
acceleration requiring revs, you find yourself able to mess around with the
throttle, similar to a 600, and not worry as much about some tiny change in
throttle position breaking the rear end away in a single massive move.
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mjt <mjtobler.TakeThisOut@removethis_mail.ru> wrote:

 > ("Larry xlax Lovisone" <netters2.TakeThisOut@combogusinfocast.com>) scribbled:
 >
   > > > Ummm, Larry? Where's that Yammie V-4 that you said was in Rossi's future
   > > > for
   > > > the 2005 MotoGP?
  > >
  > > Rossi won last year on virtual V4... Yamaha's logical step is a real V4...
 >
 > .... WTF is a 'virtual v4'?? a bike on a computer screen?

It's an inline 4 for bikers who aren't good enough to keep the rear
settled in corners.

Charles

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Simpledog wrote:
 > I saw an AMA race final, on tv where one of the riders elected to
 > race the 750 instead of the 1000, due to tire wear..and other
 > intrensic racing factors. He got the holeshot, but once he was
 > passed, he didn't have the power to catch up.
 >
 > Corner after corner, the 1000's would blast out giving themselves .003
 > seconds advantage every time.

Sure it makes a difference to a pro racer. To us track-day weekend warriors
the difference between a 1000 and 600 is only noticed on the straights, and
also when somebody gets a little over-zealous on the throttle of a 1000
whilst leaned over. Hello Mr. Highside!

 > I'd love to have a Gixxer 750. Maybe at the end of the year a few
 > will be on sale. I know the local dealer has had a few 04's sitting
 > on his floor for awhile, cuz they are too much money. They get into
 > the "you might as well get the 1000 for that price" sale.

I agree - I wrestled with the same thing. Why not get a 1000, they only
cost a little more? They're all nice bikes but the truth is a 600 or 750 is
more than enough. I would rather master the 600 on the track and then
upgrade, instead of jumping on the track with a 1000 and looking silly.


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Scott Gardner wrote:
 > That makes sense, but I've been hearing the same thing for at least
 > five or six years. It usually goes something like "the 600's are
 > making almost as much power as the 750's, and the liter-bikes are
 > getting to be almost as lightweight as the 750's, so what do we need
 > 750's for anyway?"
 >
 > There must be SOME reason, but it escapes me at the moment.

If I had to buy an inline-4 sportbike, I would definitely get a 750,
not a 600 or a 1000. The 600s make more than 100HP, but they are way
too weedy in the midrange. And the 1000s have just too much power.
What's the point of riding a bike where you're too scared to get the
throttle WFO?

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lubecki RemoveThis @hotmail.com wrote:

 > ... the 1000s have just too much power.

You can get used to it, really you can.

 > What's the point of riding a bike where you're too scared to get the
 > throttle WFO?

Throttle control, my man, throttle control. Also, it's nice to
have enough power to spin the rear wheel through the exit instead
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On 18 Mar 2005 09:54:53 -0800, lubecki.RemoveThis@hotmail.com wrote:

 >Scott Gardner wrote:
  >> That makes sense, but I've been hearing the same thing for at least
  >> five or six years. It usually goes something like "the 600's are
  >> making almost as much power as the 750's, and the liter-bikes are
  >> getting to be almost as lightweight as the 750's, so what do we need
  >> 750's for anyway?"
  >>
  >> There must be SOME reason, but it escapes me at the moment.
 >
 >If I had to buy an inline-4 sportbike, I would definitely get a 750,
 >not a 600 or a 1000. The 600s make more than 100HP, but they are way
 >too weedy in the midrange. And the 1000s have just too much power.
 >What's the point of riding a bike where you're too scared to get the
 >throttle WFO?
 >
 >-Gniewko

Let's also remember the difference between a 130lb versus a 230lb rider.

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Ben Kaufman wrote:
 > On 18 Mar 2005 09:54:53 -0800, lubecki DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote:
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  > >Scott Gardner wrote:
   > >> That makes sense, but I've been hearing the same thing for at
least
   > >> five or six years. It usually goes something like "the 600's are
   > >> making almost as much power as the 750's, and the liter-bikes are
   > >> getting to be almost as lightweight as the 750's, so what do we
need
   > >> 750's for anyway?"
   > >>
   > >> There must be SOME reason, but it escapes me at the moment.
  > >
  > >If I had to buy an inline-4 sportbike, I would definitely get a 750,
  > >not a 600 or a 1000. The 600s make more than 100HP, but they are way
  > >too weedy in the midrange. And the 1000s have just too much power.
  > >What's the point of riding a bike where you're too scared to get the
  > >throttle WFO?
  > >
  > >-Gniewko
 >
 > Let's also remember the difference between a 130lb versus a 230lb
rider.

Are you saying that 600s are for the skinny boys and 1000s for the
fatties? Hmm... I'm right in the midle at 180lbs. Maybe that's why I'd
go for the 750...

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