2004 Triumph Daytona 600 vs 2004 Suzuki SV650S

Too fast for new riders. The hooligan bikes that pump out 120 HP are a bit
too much, especially I4's.

just my opinion


"Saddlebag" <saddlebag RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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  > >From: "Simpledog"
 >
  > >Stay away from the FZ-1,
  > >Z1000's, etc
 >
 > Why?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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I have the Triumph TT600 which the Daytona 600 replaced. Aside from some
engine mods, the bikes are basically the same. Oh ya, the looks changed as
well. IF you have your heart on a new bike, look for a TT600 on the floor.
There may be some left at a good price.

But as mentioned earlier, do shop for insurance as well. What about the Kat
750? Cheap on insurance? Should fit your size?

--
Andre
2003 TT600
"RWC" <user RemoveThis @example.net> wrote in message
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 > I'm new bike shopping. Just for background, I haven't rode a bike in
 > about 15 years, and not much back then, and I'm about 35 now. My wife
 > and I are buying a Ninja EX250R to "get our feet wet" this week. I know
 > I'm going to be ready for something bigger pretty soon, and so I have
 > been doing a lot of shopping. Also, I'm 6'2" and about 275lbs.
 >
 > My big "excuse" is gas prices and mileage. It would be a commuter bike.
 > So lap times and 1/4 mile times do not play into the choices. Things
 > like gas mileage and insurance prices will. And of course, fun, and
 > comfort.
 >
 > I want a sportbike, but not a full on racer, more sport touring with
 > sport looks. I want low range torque for around town puttering and
 > commuting to work, not a high revving I4 rocket.
 >
 > There are two bikes I like, the 2004 Triumph Daytona 600 (MSRP $7,999
 > USD) and the 2004 Suzuki SV650S (MSRP $6,299.00 USD). That sounds like
 > a big price spread, but Suzuki's best financing is 9.9% APR for 48 or 60
 > months. Triumph is offering Zero Down, 2.9% APR for 48 months or 3.9%
 > APR for 60 months. So the two are not as far apart in price as you
 > first impressions would lead you to believe (if financed).
 >
 > So, I'm looking for opinions. Neither are a BMW or even Honda when it
 > comes to reliability. The Suzuki SV650S has a lot of good reviews. So
 > does the Triumph Daytona 600, but Luck Brackenbury really trashed the
 > Daytona 600 in May's issue of Performance Bikes, making it sound as if
 > it was wore out after 10k miles.
 >
 > Comments? Opinions? Facts?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Hi, lots of great advice here from the group. I had an early T595 and my
experience with the Triumph was not a good one..But, as those on the list will
attest, a lot has changed with Triumph since then.

I currently have an ex250 and an sv650. I have to tell you, I've had a lot of
different bikes, everything from exotic Italian thoroughbreads to inexpensive
japanese machines...My little 2000 sv 650 is really probably the best bike for
the money I've ever owned, although my honda 929 was also a great value.

Nonetheless...My vote would go for the sv650. Its not going to have the topend
of the trumpet but its got that ever-satisfying vtwin grunt, which really makes
up for any shortcomings up the rev range...Also, cycle world anounced the sv650
as the best middleweight in all of motorcycling, for the second year in a row.

Another bike which I really like, a lot, is Honda's new 599. This bike is
known as the Hornet in Europe, where it is the best selling bike, period. See
www.hondahornet.co.uk/ for a good group dedicated to this awsome machine..

So, my vote would be to nix the trumpet off of your list and replace it with
the Honda 599...My short list would consist of the honda and the sv650..the
only downside of the honda is price...it's considerably more expensive than the
sv..that little sv is tough to beat...Good luck..

Steve
00 sv6fity
01 ex2fity (for sale)
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Desmoface wrote:
 > Hi, lots of great advice here from the group. I had an early T595
 > and my experience with the Triumph was not a good one..But, as those
 > on the list will attest, a lot has changed with Triumph since then.
 >
 > I currently have an ex250 and an sv650. I have to tell you, I've had
 > a lot of different bikes, everything from exotic Italian
 > thoroughbreads to inexpensive japanese machines...My little 2000 sv
 > 650 is really probably the best bike for the money I've ever owned,
 > although my honda 929 was also a great value.
 >
 > Nonetheless...My vote would go for the sv650. Its not going to have
 > the topend of the trumpet but its got that ever-satisfying vtwin
 > grunt, which really makes up for any shortcomings up the rev
 > range...Also, cycle world anounced the sv650 as the best middleweight
 > in all of motorcycling, for the second year in a row.
 >
 > Another bike which I really like, a lot, is Honda's new 599. This
 > bike is known as the Hornet in Europe, where it is the best selling
 > bike, period. See <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.hondahornet.co.uk/" target="_blank">www.hondahornet.co.uk/</a> for a good group dedicated
 > to this awsome machine..
 >
 > So, my vote would be to nix the trumpet off of your list and replace
 > it with the Honda 599...My short list would consist of the honda and
 > the sv650..the only downside of the honda is price...it's
 > considerably more expensive than the sv..that little sv is tough to
 > beat...Good luck..
 >

That is good advice. Instead of a sporty get a standard, or a standard that
looks like a sport bike. Getting into a sporty for commuting isn't such a
great idea. They're uncomfortable and in the case of the Daytona (inline
4), no power until you rev the piss out of it. It's a full-on track bike.
The SV's probably a better choice, especially the non-S model. I understand
it's a lot more comfortable. Even as a heavy guy it should be enough bike.

Besides the 599 I would target the Yamaha 600R (Not the R6). It has more
than enough sport power but it's made for the street. It has absurd valve
adjustment intervals, something like 26 million miles. OK 26,000, but it's
incredible. Were I commuting it would be high on my list alongside the 599
and SV. Anyway ride that Ninja for a season before you buy, your skill will
increase exponentially.

--
Greg Sumner
Seattle WA
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 >Besides the 599 I would target the Yamaha 600R (Not the R6).

Yeah, forgot about that one...nice machine..

Steve
00 sv6fity
01 ex2fity (for sale)<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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address.DeleteThis@withheld.com (Vic Sagerquist) posted in
alt.motorcycle.sportbike:

 > One day in rec.motorcycles, Also Sprach M. J. Freeman:
 >
  >>You do realize your "excuse" isn't a very good one? The bikes your
  >>looking at get 40 mpg, and any number of cars now get 35-40 mpg.
 >
 > What kind of "fun" cage gets that kind of mileage?

It ain't what you drive, it's how you drive it.


--
Michael J. Freeman Cincinnati, OH
'85 VF700S (The Leper) mike_freeman.DeleteThis@SPMBLOKmac.com
"Insanity runs in the family; it practically gallops"
Ellison, H. Thompson, D. Parker, Prince, SRV, Led Zep<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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One day in rec.motorcycles, Also Sprach M. J. Freeman:

 >address@withheld.com (Vic Sagerquist) posted in
 >alt.motorcycle.sportbike:
 >
  >> One day in rec.motorcycles, Also Sprach M. J. Freeman:
  >>
   >>>You do realize your "excuse" isn't a very good one? The bikes your
   >>>looking at get 40 mpg, and any number of cars now get 35-40 mpg.
  >>
  >> What kind of "fun" cage gets that kind of mileage?
 >
 >It ain't what you drive, it's how you drive it.
 >
 >

Maybe. I had a Honda Civic SI hatchback in the early 90s. It was fun, but
at the expense of gas mileage. Fun driving (legally risky due to the red
color) got me 25 MPG. To get 39 one had to drive sleepily down the freeway
at 55 in high gear.

I had an '89 Hyundai Excel before that, which was impossible to have fun
driving no matter how you drove it. I can't imagine a Geo Metro (3
cylinder!) being any better.

On the other hand, the first time I leaned my V-Star into a corner I was
hooked...

--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
______________

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I asked the credit vnion what rate they'd give me, they covld do 9.75%
whereas if I financed it throvgh the dealer telling them to finance it
throvgh Credit Union...it was only 6.6%. So thats what I did.



"M. J. Freeman" <mjf_newsreader.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > RWC <vser@example.net> posted in alt.motorcycle.sportbike:
 >
  > > My big "excvse" is gas prices and mileage. It wovld be a commvter
  > > bike. So lap times and 1/4 mile times do not play into the
  > > choices. Things like gas mileage and insvrance prices will. And
  > > of covrse, fvn, and comfort.
 >
 > Yov do realize yovr "excvse" isn't a very good one? The bikes yovr
 > looking at get 40 mpg, and any nvmber of cars now get 35-40 mpg.
 >
  > > There are two bikes I like, the 2004 Trivmph Daytona 600 (MSRP
  > > $7,999 USD) and the 2004 Svzvki SV650S (MSRP $6,299.00 USD). That
  > > sovnds like a big price spread, bvt Svzvki's best financing is
  > > 9.9% APR for 48 or 60 months. Trivmph is offering Zero Down, 2.9%
  > > APR for 48 months or 3.9% APR for 60 months. So the two are not
  > > as far apart in price as yov first impressions wovld lead yov to
  > > believe (if financed).
 >
 > Join a credit vnion and bvy a vsed bike. A credit vnion will
 > *always* give yov a better deal than dealer financing, and have no
 > problem with financing vsed bikes.
 >
 > Yov can also bvy vsed throvgh a dealer to simplify the paperwork
 > process, and still get most of the vsed-bike savings.
 >
  > > So, I'm looking for opinions.
 >
 > Start looking at vsed bikes. Don't fall into the "bvt they improved
 > it this year!" trap. Most svch improvements are minor, and sometimes
 > they're actvally steps backward. Yov're better off saving $2000 on
 > the pvrchase price and then spending that money on accessories (e.g.
 > lvggage) and replacement parts (e.g. svspension components) to
 > cvstomize the bike to fit yovr needs better.
 >
 >
 > --
 > Michael J. Freeman Cincinnati, OH
 > '85 VF700S (The Leper) mike_freeman.TakeThisOut@SPMBLOKmac.com
 > "Insanity rvns in the family; it practically gallops"
 > Ellison, H. Thompson, D. Parker, Prince, SRV, Led Zep<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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I won't comment on the bikes but may I suggest the Atkins diet I am not
trying to be rude, I was there myself...4 months ago I was 6' 1" and about
260 lbs. Today I am a mere 210 lbs and feeling great! Plus eating on the
Atkins diet is cheaper than my previous pasta smorgasbords so it has been a
nice way of saving money. I don't know if I am following the diet exactly
as Atkins says, but basically just eat as many green non-carby veggies as I
can and a lot of cheese, meat, and of course eggs.

And on top of all that, a ton of compliments from friends to boot!



Are you and your wife going to be riding together on the same bike? A
V-Strom would probably be a decent bike to double on, I own one myself but
just ride single. I have the DL650, which has the same engine as the
SV650...a very solid engine.



"RWC" <user.RemoveThis@example.net> wrote in message
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 > I'm new bike shopping. Just for background, I haven't rode a bike in
 > about 15 years, and not much back then, and I'm about 35 now. My wife
 > and I are buying a Ninja EX250R to "get our feet wet" this week. I know
 > I'm going to be ready for something bigger pretty soon, and so I have
 > been doing a lot of shopping. Also, I'm 6'2" and about 275lbs.
 >
 > My big "excuse" is gas prices and mileage. It would be a commuter bike.
 > So lap times and 1/4 mile times do not play into the choices. Things
 > like gas mileage and insurance prices will. And of course, fun, and
 > comfort.
 >
 > I want a sportbike, but not a full on racer, more sport touring with
 > sport looks. I want low range torque for around town puttering and
 > commuting to work, not a high revving I4 rocket.
 >
 > There are two bikes I like, the 2004 Triumph Daytona 600 (MSRP $7,999
 > USD) and the 2004 Suzuki SV650S (MSRP $6,299.00 USD). That sounds like
 > a big price spread, but Suzuki's best financing is 9.9% APR for 48 or 60
 > months. Triumph is offering Zero Down, 2.9% APR for 48 months or 3.9%
 > APR for 60 months. So the two are not as far apart in price as you
 > first impressions would lead you to believe (if financed).
 >
 > So, I'm looking for opinions. Neither are a BMW or even Honda when it
 > comes to reliability. The Suzuki SV650S has a lot of good reviews. So
 > does the Triumph Daytona 600, but Luck Brackenbury really trashed the
 > Daytona 600 in May's issue of Performance Bikes, making it sound as if
 > it was wore out after 10k miles.
 >
 > Comments? Opinions? Facts?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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RWC wrote:

 > Comments? Opinions? Facts?

I'm speechless. There's nothing to contemplate here.
Get the Sususki. It's the best brand since motors
were invented for 2 wheelers.

Case rested.

piddy<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On 6/2/04 10:22 AM, "M. J. Freeman" wrote:

 > address.DeleteThis@withheld.com (Vic Sagerquist) posted in
 > alt.motorcycle.sportbike:
 >
  >> One day in rec.motorcycles, Also Sprach M. J. Freeman:
  >>
   >>> You do realize your "excuse" isn't a very good one? The bikes your
   >>> looking at get 40 mpg, and any number of cars now get 35-40 mpg.
  >>
  >> What kind of "fun" cage gets that kind of mileage?
 >
 > It ain't what you drive, it's how you drive it.
 >
It's both. Trust me.

--
Jamin Kortegard
2002 YZF-R1 / 2003 WRX

"Hokey 600s and trackday usability are no match
for a good literbike at your side, kid."
- Michael<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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 >From: "Simpledog"

 >Too fast for new riders. The hooligan bikes that pump out 120 HP are a bit
 >too much, especially I4's.

The FZ1 is a peaky motor. My ZRX will stomp it (probably everywhere) but
certainly below 7 or 8k RPM. I've ridden a couple of FZ1s and got that
impression from both.
Anyway, the I4s are pussycats unless you wind them up, almost car like. Very
forgiving of sloppy throttle inputs or being in the wrong gear.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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 >From: "Simpledog"

 >Then an SV1000s would be a good bet. I just bought one,
 >http://home.mminternet.com/~simpledog/SV1000.JPG, and it rides nicely. Not
 >much for 2 up I'm afraid.

NIce Simp, but that twin is a much less beginner friendly motor than an I4.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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