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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:00 pm
Post subject: 2004 Road Star-Horsepower
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| Planning to buy a new (2004) bike this spring. Roadstar Black Silverado in
first place as choice. Have done a lot of research, but cannot find a
horsepower figure anywhere. Formula using torque/rpm yields 96.8 but this
seems high. Anybody know for sure what it is?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:00 pm
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"Nemesis" <Nemesis RemoveThis @shadow.com> wrote in message
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> Planning to buy a new (2004) bike this spring. Roadstar Black Silverado in
> first place as choice. Have done a lot of research, but cannot find a
> horsepower figure anywhere. Formula using torque/rpm yields 96.8 but this
> seems high. Anybody know for sure what it is?
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Not sure about the 2004 but the 2002's put out about 70HP. I always look at
HP to weight. If this HP rating still stands for the 2004 (the Road Star
weighes 700lbs+ wet) that makes for 10 pounds per horse. Add your own
weight, say 200lbs for example and you are @ 12.9 lbs per horse. What this
allows you to do is a meaningful bike to bike comparison.
Personally I don't look at these numbers because I want a fast machine but
because I have usually found that a machine that works too hard on the
highway is probably not that comfortable a ride.
I've found a Hp:weight ratio greater than 15 lbs per horse equals a bike
that has to work pretty hard @ true highway speeds (70 Mph +). Incidently
many Harleys for example are around 14 to 15 lbs per horse (incl 200lb
rider). I've noticed you don't see many Harley's cruising long distances
above 60 mph. However you'll often see Honda Goldwings (GL1800) 800 lbs and
101 Hp cruising at 75 + all day long, 10lbs per horse with 200 lb rider.
Bottom line the Road Star has the correct balance for long distance cruising
(assuming that is what you are looking for). On the other side of the coin
if the bike is for around town cruising this bike is heavy but then so is
the Gold Wing.
Of course this is just on factor in making a buying decision, looks, feel
and sound are other factors. The great thing about buying a bike is you get
to decide what is important. i.e I certainly didn't buy my bimmers for
their sound or looks for that matter. But that was my choice.
Dave
97 BMW R1100GS
75 BMW R75/6
87 Yamaha XT350<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:00 pm
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:00:05 -0500, "David" <noemail RemoveThis @abc.com> wrote:
>"Nemesis" <Nemesis RemoveThis @shadow.com> wrote in message
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>> Planning to buy a new (2004) bike this spring. Roadstar Black Silverado in
>> first place as choice. Have done a lot of research, but cannot find a
>> horsepower figure anywhere. Formula using torque/rpm yields 96.8 but this
>> seems high. Anybody know for sure what it is?
>I've found a Hp:weight ratio greater than 15 lbs per horse equals a bike
>that has to work pretty hard @ true highway speeds (70 Mph +). Incidently
>many Harleys for example are around 14 to 15 lbs per horse (incl 200lb
>rider). I've noticed you don't see many Harley's cruising long distances
>above 60 mph. However you'll often see Honda Goldwings (GL1800) 800 lbs and
>101 Hp cruising at 75 + all day long, 10lbs per horse with 200 lb rider.
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>Dave
>97 BMW R1100GS
>75 BMW R75/6
>87 Yamaha XT350
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Wow.........this guy doesn't see many Harleys cruising long distances
above 60...........very astute..........you should listen to this
clown........................With over 30 Harleys over 36 years of
LONG DISTANCE riding (most at 70+) I can tell you there is no better
way to see this country than from an American bike.........course this
Dave guy probably isn't an American to be owning all that foreign
stuff.............anyway, screw that clown, let me ask you a
question........If you are 58 years old and making a decision to buy a
bike why not get a Harley now? Why buy a wannbe bike ? Most HD
dealers are selling off the showroom floor at MSRP so this is the best
time in the last 15 years to buy one..........you'll spend 13K for
Yamaha that will resell 5 years from now for about half
that........you can get a new RoadKing for 16.5K and get all of that
back no matter when you sell it..........financially it makes sense
......... and spend 300 more at the stealership to punch the exaust,
put on an SE air cleaner and rejet and you'll have about the same
horsepower (72-74).............If not now, then when?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2004 Road Star-Horsepower |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:06 pm
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umm, not to be a jerk or anything, but it's a cruiser. who cares about horsepower?
-mark
(2001 bandit 1200. unknown hp, but way faster than i could ever use)
"Nemesis" <Nemesis.TakeThisOut@shadow.com> wrote in message news:<f5Nyb.1133320$be.164259@news.easynews.com>...
> Planning to buy a new (2004) bike this spring. Roadstar Black Silverado in
> first place as choice. Have done a lot of research, but cannot find a
> horsepower figure anywhere. Formula using torque/rpm yields 96.8 but this
> seems high. Anybody know for sure what it is?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2004 Road Star-Horsepower |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:24 pm
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Nemesis <Nemesis.DeleteThis@shadow.com> wrote:
> Planning to buy a new (2004) bike this spring. Roadstar Black Silverado in
> first place as choice. Have done a lot of research, but cannot find a
> horsepower figure anywhere. Formula using torque/rpm yields 96.8 but this
> seems high. Anybody know for sure what it is?
What difference is it going to make for you to know the supposed
hp number? If it's lower than what you were hoping, will you not buy
the bike?
Cruisers like the Roadstar Silverado are all about image. If you want
raw hp, buy a power cruiser or a sportbike.
FWIW, I rode a V-Star 1100 and it had plenty of power, I am sure the
Roadstar will not disappoint.
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Mark '01 SV650S '81 CM400T '99 EX250-F13<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2004 Road Star-Horsepower |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:50 pm
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"Mark Olson" <olsonm.TakeThisOut@tiny.invalid> wrote in message
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> Nemesis <Nemesis.TakeThisOut@shadow.com> wrote:
> > Planning to buy a new (2004) bike this spring. Roadstar Black Silverado
in
> > first place as choice. Have done a lot of research, but cannot find a
> > horsepower figure anywhere. Formula using torque/rpm yields 96.8 but
this
> > seems high. Anybody know for sure what it is?
>
> What difference is it going to make for you to know the supposed
> hp number? If it's lower than what you were hoping, will you not buy
> the bike?
>
> Cruisers like the Roadstar Silverado are all about image. If you want
> raw hp, buy a power cruiser or a sportbike.
>
> FWIW, I rode a V-Star 1100 and it had plenty of power, I am sure the
> Roadstar will not disappoint.
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> --
> Mark '01 SV650S '81 CM400T '99 EX250-
Well, I wasn't hoping it was anything, and if it was about 'image' I'd get a
Harley. The image game thing is the major reason I'm not even considering a
Harley. What it is about is that I was curious to know a common fact
regarding something I'm considering putting a substantial amount of money
into and that I'm looking for a big, reliable ( historically unlike
Harley) road bike that would be comfortable for long trips including two up.
I am also mildly curious as to why the figure is absent from anything Yamaha
has published. I'm 58 years old and my last bike, 40 years ago, was a 1949
Indian Chief, kick start and shift lever on the side of the gas tank, so
perhaps nostalgia is a factor. Now, perhaps someone wouild be kind enough to
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:50 pm
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:54 pm
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>I've found a Hp:weight ratio greater than 15 lbs per horse equals a bike
>that has to work pretty hard @ true highway speeds (70 Mph +). Incidently
>many Harleys for example are around 14 to 15 lbs per horse (incl 200lb
>rider). I've noticed you don't see many Harley's cruising long distances
>above 60 mph. However you'll often see Honda Goldwings (GL1800) 800 lbs and
>101 Hp cruising at 75 + all day long, 10lbs per horse with 200 lb rider.
I see plenty cruising at 70+ when the speed limit is actually 70+ and
get passed plenty by Harley owners that have less respect for the
speed limit than I do on slower 60 MPH roads. I think they can handle
those speeds quite easily. Hell, most the bikes I see cruising at
that speed are Harley's. At the same time most of the slower nikes I
see are Harley's. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that
there are more Harley's than anything else out there.
>Bottom line the Road Star has the correct balance for long distance cruising
>(assuming that is what you are looking for). On the other side of the coin
>if the bike is for around town cruising this bike is heavy but then so is
>the Gold Wing.
>
>Of course this is just on factor in making a buying decision, looks, feel
>and sound are other factors. The great thing about buying a bike is you get
>to decide what is important. i.e I certainly didn't buy my bimmers for
>their sound or looks for that matter. But that was my choice.
>
>Dave
>97 BMW R1100GS
>75 BMW R75/6
>87 Yamaha XT350
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:31 pm
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"Nemesis" <Nemesis.DeleteThis@shadow.com> wrote in message
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> Planning to buy a new (2004) bike this spring. Roadstar Black Silverado in
> first place as choice. Have done a lot of research, but cannot find a
> horsepower figure anywhere. Formula using torque/rpm yields 96.8 but this
> seems high. Anybody know for sure what it is?
This page
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.chuckhawks.com/cruiser_motorcycle_chart2.htm" target="_blank">http://www.chuckhawks.com/cruiser_motorcycle_chart2.htm</a>
lists the 2003 Road Star Warrior, 1670cc engine, as having 74.5 hp and 95.5
lbs-ft of torque (rear wheel, not crank). The Yamaha speil mentions
increased power, so those numbers could be higher, and of course rear wheel
power is going to be less than at the crank.
I can't find anything official, either.
-Alan L.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2004 Road Star-Horsepower |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:33 pm
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"Nemesis" <Nemesis RemoveThis @shadow.com> wrote in message
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> Planning to buy a new (2004) bike this spring. Roadstar Black Silverado in
> first place as choice. Have done a lot of research, but cannot find a
> horsepower figure anywhere. Formula using torque/rpm yields 96.8 but this
> seems high. Anybody know for sure what it is?
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>
From a Cycle World 01-03 article, a Warrior (same bike?) was made to produce
96.6 bhp on their dyno, up 20 over stock, and 111 fpt, up 96 over stock.
They put $6k of Yamaha performance parts into it.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2004 Road Star-Horsepower |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:48 pm
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"davnos" <davnos DeleteThis @uknwn.net> wrote in message
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> "Nemesis" <Nemesis DeleteThis @shadow.com> wrote in message
> news:f5Nyb.1133320$be.164259@news.easynews.com...
> > Planning to buy a new (2004) bike this spring. Roadstar Black Silverado
in
> > first place as choice. Have done a lot of research, but cannot find a
> > horsepower figure anywhere. Formula using torque/rpm yields 96.8 but
this
> > seems high. Anybody know for sure what it is?
> >
> >
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> From a Cycle World 01-03 article, a Warrior (same bike?) was made to
produce
> 96.6 bhp on their dyno, up 20 over stock, and 111 fpt, up 96 over stock.
> They put $6k of Yamaha performance parts into it.
>
>
Err...that should have been stated ...up from stock 96 fpt. sorry.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 2004 Road Star-Horsepower |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:14 am
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>Incidently
>many Harleys for example are around 14 to 15 lbs per horse (incl 200lb
>rider).
You're numbers are inflated....My bike is 622 lbs, stock (except for the new
pipes and jet kit - which is pretty much standard for most riders) and puts out
75 hp / 76 lbs at the wheel. I weigh 200 lbs....so that puts the P/W ratio at
approx 11lbs per horse. Now if I went to an Ultra Classic (HD's heaviest
tourer) at 788 lbs....that would put me at about 13 lbs per horse.
So, in actuality, no HD (given your parameters) reaches that 14 -15 lbs per
horse.
>I've noticed you don't see many Harley's cruising long distances
>above 60 mph.
Phhht - please. Went from Tampa to Myrtle Beach Rally last year....725 miles
in 11 hours doing anywhere between 65mph and 80mph the whole way.
Iggy
'01 Dyna Super Glide
'96 Mustang GT Convertible
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:24 am
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The 1670cc Warrior and Road Star are not the same. The Road
Star's 1670cc is supposed to have about 15% more hp that the
1602cc motor, so around 65 hp at the rear wheel.
"apl" <alan_85 DeleteThis @rocketmail.deletethispart.com> wrote in
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> "Nemesis" <Nemesis DeleteThis @shadow.com> wrote in message
> news:f5Nyb.1133320$be.164259@news.easynews.com...
> > Planning to buy a new (2004) bike this spring. Roadstar
Black Silverado in
> > first place as choice. Have done a lot of research, but
cannot find a
> > horsepower figure anywhere. Formula using torque/rpm
yields 96.8 but this
> > seems high. Anybody know for sure what it is?
>
> This page
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.chuckhawks.com/cruiser_motorcycle_chart2.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.chuckhawks.com/cruiser_motorcycle_chart2.htm</font</a>>
> lists the 2003 Road Star Warrior, 1670cc engine, as having
74.5 hp and 95.5
> lbs-ft of torque (rear wheel, not crank). The Yamaha speil
mentions
> increased power, so those numbers could be higher, and of
course rear wheel
> power is going to be less than at the crank.
>
> I can't find anything official, either.
>
> -Alan L.
>
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:18 am
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>umm, not to be a jerk or anything, but it's a cruiser. who cares about
>horsepower?
>-mark
>(2001 bandit 1200. unknown hp, but way faster than i could ever use)
>
Well gee, if horsepower is so unimportant, why didn't you go with a sportbike
in the 600 - 750cc range? I mean, you already admit the bike you have now has
more power than you can ever use....what's the difference?
Iggy
'01 Dyna Super Glide
'96 Mustang GT Convertible
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:06 am
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>Bottom line the Road Star has the correct balance for long distance cruising
>(assuming that is what you are looking for). On the other side of the coin
>if the bike is for around town cruising this bike is heavy but then so is
>the Gold Wing.
LOL!!! Oh you're killing me stop it! I ride a REAL Goldwing and it's plenty
light enough and nimble enough for around town! Not as nimble as a 300lb bike,
but as nimble as anything you care to ride around town.
Now pull your foot out of your mouth...trust me it tastes nasty. Oh and I've
seen plenty of BMW's that couldn't/wouldn't maintain my scofflaw pace of a
measly 80+
Nefarious Necrologist 42nd class
Some people ride, some just like to show off their butt
jewelry once in a while.
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