1st extended ride on the new SV-650

On Sep 22, 7:20 am, "D" <d....RemoveThis@d.DDD> wrote:

> Hmmm, considering speedo error, I wonder what they're (ZX14, busa) really
> doing when they top out at an indicated 186. Maybe 165? Not like you can
> ask your average 'busa owner what his bike really does (on GPS) and get an
> honest answer.

The published top speeds of 186 are radar gun accurate. The magazines
that test the bikes not only do not go by the speedometer, they
typically publish the speedometer error, albeit usually only at 60
mph.
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On Sep 22, 1:45 pm, "D" <d....TakeThisOut@d.DDD> wrote:
> <tomor....TakeThisOut@erols.com> wrote in message
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> > On Sep 22, 7:20 am, "D" <d....TakeThisOut@d.DDD> wrote:
>
> >> Hmmm, considering speedo error, I wonder what they're (ZX14, busa) really
> >> doing when they top out at an indicated 186. Maybe 165? Not like you
> >> can
> >> ask your average 'busa owner what his bike really does (on GPS) and get
> >> an
> >> honest answer.
>
> > The published top speeds of 186 are radar gun accurate. The magazines
> > that test the bikes not only do not go by the speedometer, they
> > typically publish the speedometer error, albeit usually only at 60
> > mph.
>
> Doh! You're right. Now that I think about it, of course they tested it.
> So, I wonder what they read at 186 actual mph? Maybe that's why some guys
> say their 'busas go over 200mph stock.

PerZACKally.
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On Sep 22, 3:18 pm, "BryanUT" <nestl....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:

> How long before cars and motorcycles are required to have "black boxes" like
> airplanes.?

OBD-II.

> The technology is rather trivial that would allow remote reading of the data
> (time / location / speed)

It's in every car and truck built to U.S. standards since 1998, iirc.

> and the government could just send you the ticket.

That's next!

Did you read about the national tests being conducted to charge road
taxes by miles traveled rather than per gallon of gas consumed?
Government installed GPS devices that record every mile you travel,
report back to the government, and then you are taxed accordingly.
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On Sep 22, 3:57 pm, "BryanUT" <nestl... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> <tomor... DeleteThis @erols.com> wrote in message
> > Government installed GPS devices that record every mile you travel,
> > report back to the government, and then you are taxed accordingly.
>
> That benefits fuel ineffcient vehicles. Good idea!

The reason given for the test is that as fuel mileage of the national
fleet has gone up, even though fuel sales are nominally up, sales
taxes are close to flat. Otoh, miles driven per vehicle per year has
gone WAY up. So, tie taxation to the fastest rising indicator.
Voila! More money in the goverment's pockets and less in yours and
mine.

Wonder if they'll charge motorcycles the same tax rate per mile
traveled as, say, Hummers? I'm sure we do just as much damage to the
roads....
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On Sep 22, 3:18 pm, "BryanUT" <nestl....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> "saddlebag" <saddle....RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > On Sep 22, 2:42 am, Vaughn <vbra....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I've become hooked and use a GPS all the time on bikes now, the speed
> >> is only one of many useful facts it keeps.
>
> > Don't forget to show the Staties all its neat features when you next
> > get pulled over. Particularly the "max speed" page.
>
> How long before cars and motorcycles are required to have "black boxes" like
> airplanes.?
>
> The technology is rather trivial that would allow remote reading of the data
> (time / location / speed) and the government could just send you the ticket.
> The trucking industry already uses this type of tech to monitor their
> drivers. The cabbies in NY are already facing GPS monitoring.
>
> Of course they'd never implement a "speed limiter". It would be just as
> easy, but then they'd forgo the revenue or opportunity to put in you in jail
> (prisons are a growth industry).
>
> Unfortunately, I think Saddle is correct. An overzealous prosecutor could
> subpenoe your gps data and use it against you in a court of law.
>
> No gadgets for me! And I'll take the optomistic speedo.

I have a GPS too and I was kidding with Vaughn. Unfortunately,
Timsey's got the sense of humor of Leona Helmsley. The GPS doesn't
show when it was going a certain speed, so LEGALLY it would be rather
hard for anyone to use it against you.

I've heard rumors of the "black box" too, but from the cost reduction
measures required of the engineers I know in the auto biz, loading
enough non-volatile memory to hold the history of the vehicle's speed
is probably not gonna happen.
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On Sep 22, 3:22 pm, "tomor...@erols.com" <tomor....DeleteThis@erols.com> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 3:18 pm, "BryanUT" <nestl....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > How long before cars and motorcycles are required to have "black boxes" like
> > airplanes.?
>
> OBD-II.
>
> > The technology is rather trivial that would allow remote reading of the data
> > (time / location / speed)
>
> It's in every car and truck built to U.S. standards since 1998, iirc.
>
> > and the government could just send you the ticket.
>
> That's next!
>
> Did you read about the national tests being conducted to charge road
> taxes by miles traveled rather than per gallon of gas consumed?
> Government installed GPS devices that record every mile you travel,
> report back to the government, and then you are taxed accordingly.

Oh wouldn't that be fun to circumvent!
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"saddlebag" <saddlebag RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 22, 2:42 am, Vaughn <vbra... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've become hooked and use a GPS all the time on bikes now, the speed
>> is only one of many useful facts it keeps.
>
> Don't forget to show the Staties all its neat features when you next
> get pulled over. Particularly the "max speed" page.
>

How long before cars and motorcycles are required to have "black boxes" like
airplanes.?

The technology is rather trivial that would allow remote reading of the data
(time / location / speed) and the government could just send you the ticket.
The trucking industry already uses this type of tech to monitor their
drivers. The cabbies in NY are already facing GPS monitoring.

Of course they'd never implement a "speed limiter". It would be just as
easy, but then they'd forgo the revenue or opportunity to put in you in jail
(prisons are a growth industry).

Unfortunately, I think Saddle is correct. An overzealous prosecutor could
subpenoe your gps data and use it against you in a court of law.

No gadgets for me! And I'll take the optomistic speedo.
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"saddlebag" <saddlebag.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 22, 3:18 pm, "BryanUT" <nestl....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "saddlebag" <saddle....DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1190465150.675600.126770@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Sep 22, 2:42 am, Vaughn <vbra....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> I've become hooked and use a GPS all the time on bikes now, the speed
>> >> is only one of many useful facts it keeps.
>>
>> > Don't forget to show the Staties all its neat features when you next
>> > get pulled over. Particularly the "max speed" page.
>>
>> How long before cars and motorcycles are required to have "black boxes"
>> like
>> airplanes.?
>>
>> The technology is rather trivial that would allow remote reading of the
>> data
>> (time / location / speed) and the government could just send you the
>> ticket.
>> The trucking industry already uses this type of tech to monitor their
>> drivers. The cabbies in NY are already facing GPS monitoring.
>>
>> Of course they'd never implement a "speed limiter". It would be just as
>> easy, but then they'd forgo the revenue or opportunity to put in you in
>> jail
>> (prisons are a growth industry).
>>
>> Unfortunately, I think Saddle is correct. An overzealous prosecutor
>> could
>> subpenoe your gps data and use it against you in a court of law.
>>
>> No gadgets for me! And I'll take the optomistic speedo.
>
> I have a GPS too and I was kidding with Vaughn. Unfortunately,
> Timsey's got the sense of humor of Leona Helmsley. The GPS doesn't
> show when it was going a certain speed, so LEGALLY it would be rather
> hard for anyone to use it against you.
>

FYI, It might not show it in the UI but I guarantee the entry is in the db
with a modified date/time.
Anyone with half a brain software wise will be able to pull that data out.


--

Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple
71 Kawi H1
05 Kiddo
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<tomorrow DeleteThis @erols.com> wrote in message
news:1190477837.181537.258440@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 22, 7:20 am, "D" <d... DeleteThis @d.DDD> wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, considering speedo error, I wonder what they're (ZX14, busa) really
>> doing when they top out at an indicated 186. Maybe 165? Not like you
>> can
>> ask your average 'busa owner what his bike really does (on GPS) and get
>> an
>> honest answer.
>
> The published top speeds of 186 are radar gun accurate. The magazines
> that test the bikes not only do not go by the speedometer, they
> typically publish the speedometer error, albeit usually only at 60
> mph.
>

Doh! You're right. Now that I think about it, of course they tested it.
So, I wonder what they read at 186 actual mph? Maybe that's why some guys
say their 'busas go over 200mph stock.
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On Sep 22, 4:33 pm, "Andrew"
<yogig.no.spam.mmm.sp... RemoveThis @n.o.sp.am....@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "saddlebag" <saddle... RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1190491930.119213.306080@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 22, 3:18 pm, "BryanUT" <nestl... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> >> "saddlebag" <saddle... RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1190465150.675600.126770@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Sep 22, 2:42 am, Vaughn <vbra... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> I've become hooked and use a GPS all the time on bikes now, the speed
> >> >> is only one of many useful facts it keeps.
>
> >> > Don't forget to show the Staties all its neat features when you next
> >> > get pulled over. Particularly the "max speed" page.
>
> >> How long before cars and motorcycles are required to have "black boxes"
> >> like
> >> airplanes.?
>
> >> The technology is rather trivial that would allow remote reading of the
> >> data
> >> (time / location / speed) and the government could just send you the
> >> ticket.
> >> The trucking industry already uses this type of tech to monitor their
> >> drivers. The cabbies in NY are already facing GPS monitoring.
>
> >> Of course they'd never implement a "speed limiter". It would be just as
> >> easy, but then they'd forgo the revenue or opportunity to put in you in
> >> jail
> >> (prisons are a growth industry).
>
> >> Unfortunately, I think Saddle is correct. An overzealous prosecutor
> >> could
> >> subpenoe your gps data and use it against you in a court of law.
>
> >> No gadgets for me! And I'll take the optomistic speedo.
>
> > I have a GPS too and I was kidding with Vaughn. Unfortunately,
> > Timsey's got the sense of humor of Leona Helmsley. The GPS doesn't
> > show when it was going a certain speed, so LEGALLY it would be rather
> > hard for anyone to use it against you.
>
> FYI, It might not show it in the UI but I guarantee the entry is in the db
> with a modified date/time.
> Anyone with half a brain software wise will be able to pull that data out.

I've never liked that "maximum speed" feature. At all. Plus, it
lies. When we rode back from Daytona one year, George's showed a
maximum trip speed of 178 point something, on his Harley. Sure, the
thing is fast for an Ultra (it's got an SE103 plus a little hidden
extra) but it's not *that* fast!
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<tomorrow DeleteThis @erols.com> wrote in message

> Government installed GPS devices that record every mile you travel,
> report back to the government, and then you are taxed accordingly.
>
>
>

That benefits fuel ineffcient vehicles. Good idea!

There was idea floated here in Utah to combat uninsured drivers. Let's call
it "socialized" car insurance. Basically you pay for insurance through a
gas sales tax. Thus if you buy gas you are insured. Voila, no uninsured
drivers! The state buys insurance through All State, New York Life, etc...

Drunk, bad drivers still get their licenses revoked of course.

At first glance, I like the idea. I don't drive much, it could save me
money. But that's selfish...
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"saddlebag" <saddlebag RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Did you read about the national tests being conducted to charge road
>> taxes by miles traveled rather than per gallon of gas consumed?
>> Government installed GPS devices that record every mile you travel,
>> report back to the government, and then you are taxed accordingly.
>
> Oh wouldn't that be fun to circumvent!
>

And probably a felony (see my comment about the prison industry).
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"saddlebag" <saddlebag.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> I've heard rumors of the "black box" too, but from the cost reduction
> measures required of the engineers I know in the auto biz, loading
> enough non-volatile memory to hold the history of the vehicle's speed
> is probably not gonna happen.
>

Pffft! They complained about the cost of seat belts, padded dashes,
catalytic convertors, 5 mph bumpers, safety glass, etc...

I'm too lazy to the math, but time, location (lat/long), speed is less than
10 bytes. Sample once a second equals 600 bytes a minute. 24*60*600 =
864,000 bytes a day? Ok sample every 5 secs = 172k byte day. So a year's
data takes 172 * 365 = 63,072,000 bytes? 63 meg? That's pennies!

The car already has a cpu and data buses.

Don't under estimate how evil our gubbmit is. Oh wait, sorry.
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