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Since: Jul 05, 2004 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:47 am
Post subject: 1992 Sportster Starting Problems (Electrical) Archived from groups: rec>motorcycles>harley (more info?)
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Hi
OK - I've spent the better part of a day looking for a dead short or
something that is causing my 'click - no start' condition (1 click at
the starter relay, then nothing)
I've just installed a brand new battery, and also brand new battery
cables, and also installed a new main 30Amp circuit breaker
I've unplugged all lights from the headlight wire harness (removing
light system as possible short)
I've just checked voltage readings:
1) Battery voltage while pressing start button - 12.10 volts (a bit
low, probably from me performing lots of electric tests the past day)
2) '50' terminal wire at solenoid (wire with slide clip) while
pressing start button - 11.80 volts
3) Solenoid Terminal (post where positive battery cable mounts) while
pressing start button - 11.84 volts
4) Start Terminal (top of solenoid, connects wire from solenoid to
starter) - wanders from 3.50 to 3.80 volts
Hmmmm.... dead or shorted solenoid?
I did remove starter and cleaned up brushes and stuff - also performed
all test for shorts and grounds - starter seems fine
I did remove endplate to solenoid, notice the half-moon contact plate
was quite a bit pitted - I removed plate and sanded smooth -
reinstalled
Any advice? Replace or rebuild solenoid, right?
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Since: Sep 28, 2004 Posts: 71
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:55 pm
Post subject: Re: 1992 Sportster Starting Problems (Electrical) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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mcreda2000 <mcreda2000 DeleteThis @cs.com> wrote in message
news:dbd74c7f.0407050947.3e5b4426@posting.google.com...
> Hi
>
> OK - I've spent the better part of a day looking for a dead short or
> something that is causing my 'click - no start' condition (1 click at
> the starter relay, then nothing)
>
> I've just installed a brand new battery, and also brand new battery
> cables, and also installed a new main 30Amp circuit breaker
>
> I've unplugged all lights from the headlight wire harness (removing
> light system as possible short)
>
> I've just checked voltage readings:
> 1) Battery voltage while pressing start button - 12.10 volts (a bit
> low, probably from me performing lots of electric tests the past day)
> 2) '50' terminal wire at solenoid (wire with slide clip) while
> pressing start button - 11.80 volts
> 3) Solenoid Terminal (post where positive battery cable mounts) while
> pressing start button - 11.84 volts
> 4) Start Terminal (top of solenoid, connects wire from solenoid to
> starter) - wanders from 3.50 to 3.80 volts
>
> Hmmmm.... dead or shorted solenoid?
>
> I did remove starter and cleaned up brushes and stuff - also performed
> all test for shorts and grounds - starter seems fine
>
> I did remove endplate to solenoid, notice the half-moon contact plate
> was quite a bit pitted - I removed plate and sanded smooth -
> reinstalled
>
> Any advice? Replace or rebuild solenoid, right?
>
> Thanks
electrical problems can really suck. try tapping your starter with a small
hammer while pushing the starter button. You may have a starter problem.
good luck,
walt
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Since: Jun 19, 2003 Posts: 39
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 4:12 pm
Post subject: Re: 1992 Sportster Starting Problems (Electrical) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"mcreda2000" <mcreda2000.TakeThisOut@cs.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> OK - I've spent the better part of a day looking for a dead short or
> something that is causing my 'click - no start' condition (1 click at
> the starter relay, then nothing)
>
> I've just installed a brand new battery, and also brand new battery
> cables, and also installed a new main 30Amp circuit breaker
>
> I've unplugged all lights from the headlight wire harness (removing
> light system as possible short)
>
> I've just checked voltage readings:
> 1) Battery voltage while pressing start button - 12.10 volts (a bit
> low, probably from me performing lots of electric tests the past day)
> 2) '50' terminal wire at solenoid (wire with slide clip) while
> pressing start button - 11.80 volts
> 3) Solenoid Terminal (post where positive battery cable mounts) while
> pressing start button - 11.84 volts
> 4) Start Terminal (top of solenoid, connects wire from solenoid to
> starter) - wanders from 3.50 to 3.80 volts
>
> Hmmmm.... dead or shorted solenoid?
>
> I did remove starter and cleaned up brushes and stuff - also performed
> all test for shorts and grounds - starter seems fine
>
> I did remove endplate to solenoid, notice the half-moon contact plate
> was quite a bit pitted - I removed plate and sanded smooth -
> reinstalled
>
> Any advice? Replace or rebuild solenoid, right?
>
> Thanks
If your relay is the type with the three flat prongs and not threaded post,
make sure all three connectors are actually getting a good connection.
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Since: Sep 03, 2003 Posts: 334
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:19 pm
Post subject: Re: 1992 Sportster Starting Problems (Electrical) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"mcreda2000" wrote...
> OK - I've spent the better part of a day looking for a dead short or
> something that is causing my 'click - no start' condition (1 click at
> the starter relay, then nothing)
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> Any advice? Replace or rebuild solenoid, right?
Right!
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Since: Aug 07, 2004 Posts: 15
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:59 pm
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"mcreda2000" <mcreda2000 RemoveThis @cs.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> OK - I've spent the better part of a day looking for a dead short or
> something that is causing my 'click - no start' condition (1 click at
> the starter relay, then nothing)
>
> I've just installed a brand new battery, and also brand new battery
> cables, and also installed a new main 30Amp circuit breaker
>
> I've unplugged all lights from the headlight wire harness (removing
> light system as possible short)
>
> I've just checked voltage readings:
> 1) Battery voltage while pressing start button - 12.10 volts (a bit
> low, probably from me performing lots of electric tests the past day)
> 2) '50' terminal wire at solenoid (wire with slide clip) while
> pressing start button - 11.80 volts
> 3) Solenoid Terminal (post where positive battery cable mounts) while
> pressing start button - 11.84 volts
> 4) Start Terminal (top of solenoid, connects wire from solenoid to
> starter) - wanders from 3.50 to 3.80 volts
>
> Hmmmm.... dead or shorted solenoid?
Bad Solenoid! If the battery shows around 12 volts, and only 3 is getting to
the starter field it's the solenoid. If the starter was shorted, the battery
voltage would sag below 12 in a hurry. NOT shorted..rather open
>
> I did remove starter and cleaned up brushes and stuff - also performed
> all test for shorts and grounds - starter seems fine
>
> I did remove endplate to solenoid, notice the half-moon contact plate
> was quite a bit pitted - I removed plate and sanded smooth -
> reinstalled
>
> Any advice? Replace or rebuild solenoid, right?
>
> Thanks<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 1992 Sportster Starting Problems (Electrical) |
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Since: Sep 13, 2004 Posts: 109
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:22 pm
Post subject: Re: 1992 Sportster Starting Problems (Electrical) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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>> OK - I've spent the better part of a day looking for a dead short or
>> something that is causing my 'click - no start' condition (1 click at
>> the starter relay, then nothing)
>>
>> I've just installed a brand new battery, and also brand new battery
>> cables, and also installed a new main 30Amp circuit breaker
>>
>> I've unplugged all lights from the headlight wire harness (removing
>> light system as possible short)
>>
>> I've just checked voltage readings:
>> 1) Battery voltage while pressing start button - 12.10 volts (a bit
>> low, probably from me performing lots of electric tests the past day)
>> 2) '50' terminal wire at solenoid (wire with slide clip) while
>> pressing start button - 11.80 volts
>> 3) Solenoid Terminal (post where positive battery cable mounts) while
>> pressing start button - 11.84 volts
>> 4) Start Terminal (top of solenoid, connects wire from solenoid to
>> starter) - wanders from 3.50 to 3.80 volts
>>
>> Hmmmm.... dead or shorted solenoid?
>
While it sure sounds like the solonoid, I've found on older bikes that
sometimes you can get bad connections through the switch housing. They will
seem to test out fine but when you put a load to everything, they just don't
work. I'm not an electrical guru so I don't know why that is, but I've seen it.
One way you can check is to jump the solonoid directly. turn the key on and
jump the connections on the back of the solonoid with a screwdriver. If the
starter engages, chances are its not the solonoid but a corroded connection
somewhere upstream. At least worth a look.
Court Jester
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Since: Jul 05, 2004 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:01 pm
Post subject: Re: 1992 Sportster Starting Problems (Electrical) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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I appreciate all the responses! Thanks!
I did some further crazy testing
I completely removed the starter again
Using a voltmeter, I tested solenoid battery terminal to the solenoid
starter terminal (without starter cable attached since I removed
starter). Got about 12 volts, as expected. Pushed starter button -
voltmeter read about 2 volts... That don't seem right, should be
reading like 0 volts, right?
Turned off key
Removed starter relay wire from solenoid (small black wire), took
ohmmeter, tested continuity from starter relay solenoid connection
(where small black wire was attached) to solenoid starter terminal.
This measured continuity (0 ohms). Hmmm... that can't be right
either.
Fried or grounded solenoid coils, etc
What the heck - new solenoid is about $100... removing the primary
cover to remove solenoid mounting bolts - PRICELESS
UGH!
mcreda2000.RemoveThis@cs.com (mcreda2000) wrote in message news:<dbd74c7f.0407050947.3e5b4426.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>...
> Hi
>
> OK - I've spent the better part of a day looking for a dead short or
> something that is causing my 'click - no start' condition (1 click at
> the starter relay, then nothing)
>
> I've just installed a brand new battery, and also brand new battery
> cables, and also installed a new main 30Amp circuit breaker
>
> I've unplugged all lights from the headlight wire harness (removing
> light system as possible short)
>
> I've just checked voltage readings:
> 1) Battery voltage while pressing start button - 12.10 volts (a bit
> low, probably from me performing lots of electric tests the past day)
> 2) '50' terminal wire at solenoid (wire with slide clip) while
> pressing start button - 11.80 volts
> 3) Solenoid Terminal (post where positive battery cable mounts) while
> pressing start button - 11.84 volts
> 4) Start Terminal (top of solenoid, connects wire from solenoid to
> starter) - wanders from 3.50 to 3.80 volts
>
> Hmmmm.... dead or shorted solenoid?
>
> I did remove starter and cleaned up brushes and stuff - also performed
> all test for shorts and grounds - starter seems fine
>
> I did remove endplate to solenoid, notice the half-moon contact plate
> was quite a bit pitted - I removed plate and sanded smooth -
> reinstalled
>
> Any advice? Replace or rebuild solenoid, right?
>
> Thanks<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: 1992 Sportster Starting Problems (Electrical) |
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Since: Oct 17, 2007 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:36 pm
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Since: Oct 17, 2007 Posts: 5
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:17 pm
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Since: Feb 17, 2007 Posts: 307
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:38 pm
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stecon32 wrote:
> Did you replace the solenoid?
>
> I have the same issue...why can't the solenoid be on the starter
> instead of vice versa??? lol....Anyway, I have the primary cover
> unbolted and I guess I'm hung up on the clutch mechanism. Special
> tool needed?
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> Tired of NOT riding Steve
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Since: Oct 05, 2004 Posts: 486
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:49 am
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:36:27 -0400, "stecon32"
<steve.conaway RemoveThis @advancedav.com> wrote:
>Did you replace the solenoid?
>
>I have the same issue...why can't the solenoid be on the starter instead
>of vice versa??? lol....Anyway, I have the primary cover unbolted and I
>guess I'm hung up on the clutch mechanism. Special tool needed?
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Yeah, it's called the service manual.
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Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
'82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
'95 YJ Rio Grande
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
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Since: Sep 23, 2005 Posts: 673
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:22 pm
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Old Crow wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:36:27 -0400, "stecon32"
> <steve.conaway.TakeThisOut@advancedav.com> wrote:
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>> Did you replace the solenoid?
>>
>> I have the same issue...why can't the solenoid be on the starter
>> instead of vice versa??? lol....Anyway, I have the primary cover
>> unbolted and I guess I'm hung up on the clutch mechanism. Special
>> tool needed?
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>
> Yeah, it's called the service manual.
> --
> Old Crow "Yol Bolson!"
> '82 FLTC-P "Miss Pearl"
> '95 YJ Rio Grande
> BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, MAMBM
You're assuming they can comprehend what they read .
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Snag aka OSG #1
'90 Ultra , "Strider"
The road goes on forever ...
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